Do you believe in God and why

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

"I believe I have answered most of your questions."

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Well, at least you qualify that as a belief.  Because it's nowhere near factual.

"I would put them in a different order, Emotions - thoughts - imagination and you know this is not done in a short answer."

I don't think you could explain how your theory works even with an answer of any length.  But I do think that you'll never be willing to provide anything other than that short answer.  I guarantee we'll never see one but I'd wager we would see an excuse as to why you won't provide one.

"Do we feel before we think?"

I've said it here many times, even in replies to you directly and as of late, that one of the easiest things to prove to one's self is the fact that thoughts come first and emotions and imagination follow.  Since you are asking the question after I've suggested you test the idea out yourself is, again, the proof in the pudding that you stubbornly ignore anything I tell you.  I'm talking to the proverbial wall.

"You asking the ultimate question depending on your belief and your teaching . . . "

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I'm asking the simplest of questions.  One so simple that anyone can easily figure it out in no time at all, especially given that the answer has been provided already.  All you have to do is confirm via observation.

". . . and there is no good answers really . . . "

The answers are everywhere.  But if you recall you've admittedly stopped searching.  I think the reason you make this statement is so that you can claim all sorts of personal beliefs, never have to worry about being wrong, and never have to worry about anyone holding your feet to the fire to explain yourself.  It's your "get out of jail" free card.  "There is no good answers really.  Not for anything.  We can all just make everything up as we go along.  And anyone's answers are as good as anyone else's.  As long as it's true for you who's to say it's not true.  Everyone gets a passing grade.  Class dismissed."

". . . except we are a product of continuous stimuli . . . "

Got anything to back that statement up?  Do you remember grade school when your math teacher would demand not only the answer to the math problem but also require you to show your work (called proofs).  So this is your answer but no reasoning to show how you've arrived at your answer.  If you had tried that with you math teacher you probably would have received a well deserved rap on the knuckles from her ruler.

Why should I worry? Im present here right now, right here reading your superior posts where you claim to have all the answers and the truth without any proofs except your own illusions based on fictional figures which seems to cope with your nature, which mirrors your nature in your answers. 

 

You can continue your replies as much you want, as long you want and as often you want, but it will not give anymore results or different outcome.

 

JI can choose to reply in same manner as you, but it will really not help anything either. I can google and blue copy texts, write with my own words based on searches and what I think, but I would rather keep my answers true to my nature, and what I can stand for. 

 

Have a good sunday ????

 

 

[Tippaporn]

8 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

I agree with the first two statements.  The last is, in my opinion, bogus.  Except in that he ends that statement affirming man's grace

We inherently have desire and thoughts.  If these are inherent yet they are weak and evil then we are inherently weak and evil.  It can't be any other way.  Makes no sense.  Habits are neither weak nor evil.  Habits are simply habits.  They can cut both ways.

I've rejected Buddhism for the same reasons I rejected Christianity.  Too much that just doesn't make sense and doesn't ring true.

[Tippaporn]

38 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Why should I worry? Im present here right now, right here reading your superior posts where you claim to have all the answers and the truth without any proofs except your own illusions based on fictional figures which seems to cope with your nature, which mirrors your nature in your answers. 

 

You can continue your replies as much you want, as long you want and as often you want, but it will not give anymore results or different outcome.

 

JI can choose to reply in same manner as you, but it will really not help anything either. I can google and blue copy texts, write with my own words based on searches and what I think, but I would rather keep my answers true to my nature, and what I can stand for. 

 

Have a good sunday ????

No one can know.  How does that belief benefit you, Hummin?  Just be aware that you can't help but put yourself in the same pot as you believe that.  You, then, can never know either.

News flash:  There are people in the world that do know, Hummin.  Certainly not everything.  But they do know a great deal.  While you cry whenever you feel someone is trying to deny your reality merely by challenging you you then do a one-eighty without so much as missing a beat and deny the realities of those who claim to know.  Does that not smack of hypocrisy?

Knowing something = superiority?  A logical fallacy.  Speaking with confidence on what you know = superiority?  Another logical fallacy.

My criticism here is pointed directly at your ideas, Hummin.  Not your person.  You are a good man.  My criticism is constructive and not degrading.  I hold your feet to the fire.  I attempt to force you to use that noodle between your ears which has been gifted you for a reason.  And I've told you before you are extremely stubborn.  And a bit of a cry baby.

Have a great Sunday, too, Hummin.

 

Edited March 12, 2023 by Tippaporn

[Sunmaster]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Sorry for the late reply.  Been busy.

 

Seth generally states that emotions and imagination follow thought.  There are a few times where he has qualified that statement with "largely."  And yet I've never come across a given example where emotions or imagination are produced by other means.  Since his repetition of that idea more often than not does not include the qualifier then I think it safe to rely on it without the qualifier.  I'm sure that if the statement without the qualifier was not the, say, typical case then he would have provided the differentiation or further explanation.

 

Ecstasy is certainly an emotion.  But I, myself, don't at all see that emotion divorced from thought.  Per it's definition, which I think is the common accepted one:

 

ecstasy [ ek-stuh-see ]

 

- rapturous delight.

- an overpowering emotion or exaltation; a state of sudden, intense feeling.

- the frenzy of poetic inspiration.

- mental transport or rapture from the contemplation of divine things.

I can think of no example of experiencing the feeling of ecstasy before experiencing thoughts of supreme delight or exaltation.  Do you have an example?

Sudden fear is the result of a sudden awareness of an impending situation . . . real or imagined.   The very instant that a threat is perceived is the same instant that the corresponding emotion is felt.  If one were killed in an instant without ever having an awareness of one's impending doom then the old aphorism, "he never knew what hit him," applies.  Does that make sense to you?

I'm still not sure about fear, or a certain type of fear to be precise. But for ecstasy, based on my personal experience, I can confidently say that no thought was involved when it happened. I say this because I have never experienced anything like it before or after. There was no framework to work with or even a similar feeling I could relate it to. It happened without thought because it was something that transcended the mind. 
The question I would rather ask at this point is whether we should classify it as an emotion in the first place. 
My experience was not just a "mental transport" and I wasn't contemplating anything divine at the time. In fact, I was atheist when it happened. And yet, it was an ecstasy on all levels: physical, mental and above all spiritual. 

That's why I always point out that direct experience is the key to true knowledge. Books and intellectual models of reality can be helpful in making sense of the experience, but without the experience itself, they are just pretty, empty boxes.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Sunmaster

[Fat is a type of crazy]

I look at a girl. She hits the spot. Causes emotion. No thought required first. Thank you. 

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I look at a girl. She hits the spot. Causes emotion. No thought required first. Thank you. 

Well said. 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

No one can know.  How does that belief benefit you, Hummin?  Just be aware that you can't help but put yourself in the same pot as you believe that.  You, then, can never know either.

News flash:  There are people in the world that do know, Hummin.  Certainly not everything.  But they do know a great deal.  While you cry whenever you feel someone is trying to deny your reality merely by challenging you you then do a one-eighty without so much as missing a beat and deny the realities of those who claim to know.  Does that not smack of hypocrisy?

Knowing something = superiority?  A logical fallacy.  Speaking with confidence on what you know = superiority"  Another logical fallacy.

My criticism here is pointed directly at your ideas, Hummin.  Not your person.  You are a good man.  My criticism is constructive and not degrading.  I hold your feet to the fire.  I attempt to force you to use that noodle between your ears which has been gifted you for a reason.  And I've told you before you are extremely stubborn.  And a bit of a cry baby.

Have a great Sunday, too, Hummin.

I havent seen myself as a cry babie, maybe I should be more aware of how I express myself, or look at my standards when replying to someone.

 

To know something by experience and understood why, is totally different than to be convinced by a belief or a theory. Even our experiences, as visuals or feelings can be misleading. We all know that, especially after been pushing myself at the line of life or death, only avoided by my timed actions even when pushing the limits to its limits, I know how my brain works in that window facing the reality. I have proved to myself, I can handle it, and do the right things under pressure.

 

Thats a real experience with a known outcome.

 

And thats my reality and my nature. You have all the answers you want in life, but are you connected to yourself in any way at all, and your nature? 

 

To be true, I do not feel your heat, I feel insecurity and you looking for being aknownledged outside your cult. At least that is my feeling about it.

 

Rhere is To many yes people and blindly followers in any aspect of belief systems, but have you ever done any physically test, where you had to push yourselves beyond your own limits? Had the feeling of being alive after done anything that teared you apart out of fear, real fear for your life and health?  Managed to collect your self and perform and succeed? Thats is pure, clean and you against yourselves. It can change you in many ways getting to know your inner selves, and not only follow the stream every belief or theory provides. It can be an eyeopener for sure.

 

Im connected to Nature, and the Nature have many answers to give on any given journey if you try to understand the nature snd the premises we are here on together with everything else.

 

Your  journey will be different from mine, but we both have to accept the outcome, because where we end up, will be the same as everyone else. 

 

 

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

I'm still not sure about fear, or a certain type of fear to be precise. But for ecstasy, based on my personal experience, I can confidently say that no thought was involved when it happened. I say this because I have never experienced anything like it before or after. There was no framework to work with or even a similar feeling I could relate it to. It happened without thought because it was something that transcended the mind. 
The question I would rather ask at this point is whether we should classify it as an emotion in the first place. 
My experience was not just a "mental transport" and I wasn't contemplating anything divine at the time. In fact, I was atheist when it happened. And yet, it was an ecstasy on all levels: physical, mental and above all spiritual. 

That's why I always point out that direct experience is the key to true knowledge. Books and intellectual models of reality can be helpful in making sense of the experience, but without the experience itself, they are just pretty, empty boxes.

Have you ever seen the double rainbow clip? Wonderful experience by visuals and thoughts.

 

Especially as a young man I was filled with ecstasy and energy, and unfortunate ro much for my surroundings that I had to adopt to everyone else.

 

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[Sunmaster]

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Have you ever seen the double rainbow clip? Wonderful experience by visuals and thoughts.

 

Especially as a young man I was filled with ecstasy and energy, and unfortunate ro much for my surroundings that I had to adopt to everyone else.

 

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Yes, I've seen one in real life about 5 years ago. I was very happy, but definitely not ecstatic like the guy in the video. A bit too much for my taste 5555

 

The kind of ecstasy I was talking about was a different kind though, or more intense perhaps. 

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Yes, I've seen one in real life about 5 years ago. I was very happy, but definitely not ecstatic like the guy in the video. A bit too much for my taste 5555

 

The kind of ecstasy I was talking about was a different kind though, or more intense perhaps. 

Like taking MDMA? 

 

That was insane ecstasy feeling for sure, but the days after was horrible for me, and even I enjoyed it as long I was on, the down trip did not apply for doing it to many times. 

 

The eufori and happiness I had as a kid for almost no reasons other than feeling alive, I could only recreate with extreme sport activity. Feeling Normal by doing something pure.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Hummin

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

I'm still not sure about fear, or a certain type of fear to be precise. But for ecstasy, based on my personal experience, I can confidently say that no thought was involved when it happened. I say this because I have never experienced anything like it before or after. There was no framework to work with or even a similar feeling I could relate it to. It happened without thought because it was something that transcended the mind. 
The question I would rather ask at this point is whether we should classify it as an emotion in the first place. 
My experience was not just a "mental transport" and I wasn't contemplating anything divine at the time. In fact, I was atheist when it happened. And yet, it was an ecstasy on all levels: physical, mental and above all spiritual. 

That's why I always point out that direct experience is the key to true knowledge. Books and intellectual models of reality can be helpful in making sense of the experience, but without the experience itself, they are just pretty, empty boxes.

I've often thought about Seth qualifying that statement.  And now that you've given me an example I can confirm that I've had a similar experience once.  It was a time, long ago, when my wife at the time decided she wanted to divorce me.  I was devastated and deeply depressed.  I had felt myself to be the cause of our marital failure and my self blame caused me to focus on myself as a failure in all ways.  You're familiar with associative thought, Sunmaster.  And associative thought was heavily in play.

Depression can be so severe that it can actually produce bodily sensations.  I was at work once and at one point felt this depression affect my body to a degree that I had to go into a bathroom stall so that in privacy I might be able to compose myself.  As I sat on the commode with my head sunk into my hands I was suddenly overwhelmed by a feeling of pure love.  For myself and literally everything.  The intensity of that feeling was like nothing I'd ever felt before or since.  I sobbed uncontrollably like a child while completely immersed in that feeling.

Once I managed to control my sobbing I exited the rest room and walked out into the factory.  This feeling of pure love persisted and did not diminish in intensity.  I felt love for every co-worker I gazed at.  There was one guy in particular who I did not like.  And to my shock I felt the same love for him.  I can't recall but I think the experience lasted perhaps a half hour or so.  I certainly had not been entertaining loving thoughts prior to the feeling of love overcoming me.  In fact my thoughts were quite the contrary.

Now this is for you alone, Sunmaster, but in hindsight I was thinking of Oversoul 7.  Was that a deliberate override?  I tend to think it was.

 

But to your point, perhaps that is what Seth refers to when he qualifies emotion and imagination "largely" coming from thought.  Our experience in this world is largely one of thought.  As long as you're awake you can't turn them off.  See Seth and Castaneda on that point, for they are in agreement that if you stop your thoughts then you no longer uphold this creation of this illusion any longer and it would disappear.

No doubt we can experience directly, without thoughts.  But I do recall Seth saying that emotions are not only aspects of who we are in this reality but others, too.  So I would say, yeah, ecstasy is an emotion since it's still a feeling.  But I can see now how feelings can be experienced without thought.  Still I think that due to the fact that Seth makes the statement often enough without the qualifier it is because our experience is generally one in which we are by far and large engaged in creating using thoughts here.

Comments?

[Sunmaster]

31 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Like taking MDMA? 

 

That was insane ecstasy feeling for sure, but the days after was horrible for me, and even I enjoyed it as long I was on, the down trip did not apply for doing it to many times. 

 

The eufori and happiness I had as a kid for almost no reasons other than feeling alive, I could only recreate with extreme sport activity. Feeling Normal by doing something pure.

I tried MDMA when I was young, but it wasn't like that. Or maybe it was like that, but times a million.
I shared my experience here before, but it is now buried somewhere around page 2- or 300. Let me see if I can find it.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Sunmaster

[Sunmaster]

14 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I've often thought about Seth qualifying that statement.  And now that you've given me an example I can confirm that I've had a similar experience once.  It was a time, long ago, when my wife at the time decided she wanted to divorce me.  I was devastated and deeply depressed.  I had felt myself to be the cause of our marital failure and my self blame caused me to focus on myself as a failure in all ways.  You're familiar with associative thought, Sunmaster.  And associative thought was heavily in play.

Depression can be so severe that it can actually produce bodily sensations.  I was at work once and at one point felt this depression affect my body to a degree that I had to go into a bathroom stall so that in privacy I might be able to compose myself.  As I sat on the commode with my head sunk into my hands I was suddenly overwhelmed by a feeling of pure love.  For myself and literally everything.  The intensity of that feeling was like nothing I'd ever felt before or since.  I sobbed uncontrollably like a child while completely immersed in that feeling.

Once I managed to control my sobbing I exited the rest room and walked out into the factory.  This feeling of pure love persisted and did not diminish in intensity.  I felt love for every co-worker I gazed at.  There was one guy in particular who I did not like.  And to my shock I felt the same love for him.  I can't recall but I think the experience lasted perhaps a half hour or so.  I certainly had not been entertaining loving thoughts prior to the feeling of love overcoming me.  In fact my thoughts were quite the contrary.

Now this is for you alone, Sunmaster, but in hindsight I was thinking of Oversoul 7.  Was that a deliberate override?  I tend to think it was.

 

But to your point, perhaps that is what Seth refers to when he qualifies emotion and imagination "largely" coming from thought.  Our experience in this world is largely one of thought.  As long as you're awake you can't turn them off.  See Seth and Castaneda on that point, for they are in agreement that if you stop your thoughts then you no longer uphold this creation of this illusion any longer and it would disappear.

No doubt we can experience directly, without thoughts.  But I do recall Seth saying that emotions are not only aspects of who we are in this reality but others, too.  So I would say, yeah, ecstasy is an emotion since it's still a feeling.  But I can see now how feelings can be experienced without thought.  Still I think that due to the fact that Seth makes the statement often enough without the qualifier it is because our experience is generally one in which we are by far and large engaged in creating using thoughts here.

Comments?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Thanks for sharing that experience.
I can't say if it was an override, but it certainly was something special. 
 

[Tippaporn]

26 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Thanks for sharing that experience.
I can't say if it was an override, but it certainly was something special. 
 

Well, maybe not an override.  But an intervention.  My despair was triggered by the divorce but that was only the straw that broke the camel's back.  The construction of my poor self image had begun many, many years prior and, like Marley's chains, I constructed it link by link and the weight of it had become unbearable.  What I received was an infusion of love for myself.  Granted, it spilled out everywhere.  But it was for me to feel love for myself.  On that point I have zero doubt.  Kinda like electric shock given a patient whose heart has stopped.

When I had first read Oversoul 7 I just naturally made the connection.  I believe there was one such similar episode with one of the personalities who received an intervention.  I can't rightly recall but I think it had to do with a cat crossing the personality's path which caused him to change physical course.

Yes, it was very special.  And it remains a touchstone to this day.

[Sunmaster]

47 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Like taking MDMA? 

 

That was insane ecstasy feeling for sure, but the days after was horrible for me, and even I enjoyed it as long I was on, the down trip did not apply for doing it to many times. 

 

The eufori and happiness I had as a kid for almost no reasons other than feeling alive, I could only recreate with extreme sport activity. Feeling Normal by doing something pure.

Instead of reposting an old post, I will try to explain it as I live it today.

About 25 years ago I experienced a kind of "shift in perception", a very strong one. This shift , although a short lived one, allowed me to understand the world and myself in ways I had never experienced before. There was such clarity, that there was no denying the fact that we are all so much more than we think we are. That the journey always leads up to the head, but ends at the heart. It taught me to trust what comes from the inside, because that is my true voice. And this is true for me, but I know it's the same for you and everybody else. 



 

[steven100]

No ......   because if I could win the lottery I could help so many friends and family.  That has to be a good thing imo.

[save the frogs]

On 3/8/2023 at 7:34 PM, mauGR1 said:

I like the term mumbo-jumbo, it sounds funny, although it smells a little of "white- supremacist".

that's a ridiculous accusation.

and that further reinforces my original claim that this thread reeks of a cult.

 

the only people that are open to debate are people who haven't invested their entire lives and their entire personas into what they're spewing on here. you know, the guy who pops in with the occasional comment.

 

but a few of you here have clearly invested a lot of your lives into what you believe.

and you are beyond debating.

woe to anyone who criticizes.

i'm outta here. i don't want to deal with that nonsense.

 

[save the frogs]

On 3/8/2023 at 7:36 PM, Sunmaster said:

Whenever you use the term mumbo jumbo, you automatically stop any possible conversation and exchange of ideas.

Of course.

I've never met a cult leader who likes to be accused of bs before.

I'm not saying everything you post is bs. I haven't read most of it, actually.

I was just criticizing one particular comment Tipaporn made.

And of course you jump in to defend him and bark like a dog in typical cult-leader fashion.

 

[Sunmaster]

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Of course.

I've never met a cult leader who likes to be accused of bs before.

I'm not saying everything you post is bs. I haven't read most of it, actually.

I was just criticizing one particular comment Tipaporn made.

And of course you jump in to defend him and bark like a dog in typical cult-leader fashion.

 

Sorry, but I'm confused. 

Is the cult leader supposed to be Tippaporn or I? 

Just want to know what to put in my curriculum. "Cult leader" would be quite cool actually. Life goal: world domination. And a private harem, of course. ????????????

 

Honestly, this is one of the funniest things postet in a while here. Cheers for that. 

Even funnier is the fact that you announced you'll stop posting, so you positively confirmed my point. ????????????

Edited March 12, 2023 by Sunmaster

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

I'm still not sure about fear, or a certain type of fear to be precise. But for ecstasy, based on my personal experience, I can confidently say that no thought was involved when it happened. I say this because I have never experienced anything like it before or after. There was no framework to work with or even a similar feeling I could relate it to. It happened without thought because it was something that transcended the mind. 
The question I would rather ask at this point is whether we should classify it as an emotion in the first place. 
My experience was not just a "mental transport" and I wasn't contemplating anything divine at the time. In fact, I was atheist when it happened. And yet, it was an ecstasy on all levels: physical, mental and above all spiritual. 

That's why I always point out that direct experience is the key to true knowledge. Books and intellectual models of reality can be helpful in making sense of the experience, but without the experience itself, they are just pretty, empty boxes.

I've just come on and haven't read the previous pages, but from the above post we had the same experience, except I was agnostic at the time.

I call it my "road to Damascus" moment.

It didn't last long, but it opened my mind to the realisation that God does exist.

Never happened again, and I haven't sought to experience it again.

The pro "science knows everything" crowd could never understand it, as it's not, IMO, something that could be repeated on demand to investigate. Perhaps it ( or something similar ) could be experienced by use of chemicals, but I have no need to go that route. Even alcohol was too bad, and I gave that up pretty quickly.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

that's a ridiculous accusation.

and that further reinforces my original claim that this thread reeks of a cult.

 

the only people that are open to debate are people who haven't invested their entire lives and their entire personas into what they're spewing on here. you know, the guy who pops in with the occasional comment.

 

but a few of you here have clearly invested a lot of your lives into what you believe.

and you are beyond debating.

woe to anyone who criticizes.

i'm outta here. i don't want to deal with that nonsense.

 

IMO the only "cult" on this thread is of the "god doesn't exist" mob that are totally invested in denying something that science can't disprove.

Seems that even though some scientists admit there is a great deal out there that they can't explain or even understand, the anti God crowd deny the possibility that a creator God might exist- in other words, closed minds.

 

I actually understand some of your frustration, as I don't understand a lot of the conversation, mainly because I'm not sufficiently invested in it to get involved, or pursue the theories presented, but among the stuff I don't understand there is some really great information to be be acquired, so I'll keep reading.

 

Up to you of course, but it's the only thread on this forum that challenges us about our innermost beliefs, and the fact that it's lasted longer than any other thread, perhaps in the history of this forum, proves that it is of interest to many.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

 

The eufori and happiness I had as a kid for almost no reasons other than feeling alive, I could only recreate with extreme sport activity. Feeling Normal by doing something pure.

I envy you, that you experienced such emotions as a child. A tragic event in my young life robbed me of such, and seems to have made me extremely cynical ever since. I don't remember ever not being cynical.

I think it's pretty self evident that true happiness is not compatible with extreme cynicism, so such emotions were rare and of limited duration in my life. The first two years of my married life were the longest I've ever been happy, and then it all turned to the brown stuff.

Perhaps that may go some way to explaining the way I post.

[Hummin]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I envy you, that you experienced such emotions as a child. A tragic event in my young life robbed me of such, and seems to have made me extremely cynical ever since. I don't remember ever not being cynical.

I think it's pretty self evident that true happiness is not compatible with extreme cynicism, so such emotions were rare and of limited duration in my life. The first two years of my married life were the longest I've ever been happy, and then it all turned to the brown stuff.

Perhaps that may go some way to explaining the way I post.

Being a happy kid was not easy, but somehow I managed the mob, being quicker, smarter and in critical years stronger, as well from very young managed to get attention because of sports. Still I was different than the other kids, and I felt no Connection to either school or the rest, so for me finishing school was a relief, and finely free. 

 

I believe what we share here is a common experience where life was turned around in som sort of an awakening. still common experience we connected differently after it happened. 

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

The difference between your belief and mine is that while you can offer no explanation, and thus willy nilly believe in whatever sounds about right (much of it guaranteed to be some of the unexamined mass beliefs which were taught you on your trail through life) I at least am able to provide the means for proving what I say to be true to one's self and provide rational and reasoned explanations including a working model.

I can offer no explanation that would be acceptable to you ( or many others on both sides of the debate ) so I have no reason to give one. After all, as I have said before, I'm not here to convert anyone. I'm just adding to the conversation about my own life experience.

 

I believe in what seems right to me, and if that's not enough for others to accept, so be it.

In a human world IMO going ( or already gone ) insane, I can only try and find a way to survive, and if my belief helps me to understand that death is not the end, that, IMO is a good thing.

 

I at least am able to provide the means for proving what I say to be true to one's self and provide rational and reasoned explanations including a working model.

That's fine for yourself, but do you make room to accept that not everyone agrees with you, and be OK with that, or are you saying that it's "your way, and no other"?

 

some of the unexamined mass beliefs which were taught you on your trail through life

Why do you think you know what I have, or have not examined? I doubt you are psychic to know, so all you have are words that I have written on here, and words are a very imperfect way of communicating at the best of times, and more so when it comes to this subject. If I were to attempt to explain my beliefs more fully my posts would be as long as yours, and I've already said why that would not be a "good thing".

 

I wish you well on your own journey through life, but I won't be joining you on your path.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Yes, and the opposite too, when in the middle of some ecstasy i was kind of dancing on the brim of a precipice, the look of fear in the face of my friends was something ????

I've never danced on the edge of a precipice, the closest being standing on the crowded back step of a Thai songtheaw doing 100 kph and holding on for dear life. It was an immensely enjoyable experience as my principle thought was that it was a poke in the eye to all the H and S wonks back in home country, that was part of the reason I preferred living in LOS to that over regulated country.

 

Whatever, I can visualise you doing your dance, and I cheer for you doing it.

[save the frogs]

2 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Is the cult leader supposed to be Tippaporn or I? 

both of you!

but you know what?

let's wipe the slate clean.

ignore that comment. 

let bygones be bygones.

if i read your posts further, i will comment on each individual post as i see fit.

there's no need to put labels on people. 

[Tippaporn]

[mauGR1]

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

that's a ridiculous accusation.

and that further reinforces my original claim that this thread reeks of a cult.

 

the only people that are open to debate are people who haven't invested their entire lives and their entire personas into what they're spewing on here. you know, the guy who pops in with the occasional comment.

 

but a few of you here have clearly invested a lot of your lives into what you believe.

and you are beyond debating.

woe to anyone who criticizes.

i'm outta here. i don't want to deal with that nonsense.

 

Sorry, but i was not accusing you, i was just giving my impression on the term "mumbo-jumbo ".

So pls, don't take my comment personally. 

[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

both of you!

but you know what?

let's wipe the slate clean.

ignore that comment. 

let bygones be bygones.

if i read your posts further, i will comment on each individual post as i see fit.

there's no need to put labels on people. 

The above meme is for you, save the frogs.  How can you know anything other than what you know if you're adamant about never going beyond what you know?  Granted, you're willing to accept an unknown to be true but only if it satisfies your definition of evidence.

For instance, you don't believe in the concept of a God.  You have neither evidence for nor against.  The main reason you don't believe that a God exists is because you see no evidence and evidence is a requirement for you to believe something  At the same time you understand that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.  Yet despite this knowledge you still claim that God can't exist and those who do are full of nonsense.  If you pride yourself on your reasoning mind then the above shows how folks can use reason itself to create unreasonable positions.

[gk10012001]

what's the difference?  Does one's belief make something true or not?  Can one do anything about it?  If it gives somebody piece of mind to believe in something, be it God, Jesus, a flat Earth, the Earth sits on the back of a giant tortoise, or whatever, then so be it.  It is all man made thoughts with no proof except some correlations that to quote the statistical people, does not prove causation.