Do you believe in God and why

[Hummin]

On 3/17/2023 at 1:45 PM, Tippaporn said:

What's amusing and interesting, Hummin, is that even though I state repeatedly that I do not deny your reality or even bash your reality you keep on insisting that that is what I'm doing.

If I saw a besotted bloke laying asleep on a park bench in the middle of the morning and I remarked simply and without judgement or without adding any flowery embellishments that he drinks too much you would accuse me of sitting on my judgemental throne and in my high and mighty view of myself pointing out his faults and shortcomings.  And that I do so only because I suffer from insecurity.  At the same time I'm also denying the drunk his reality, pronouncing his life to be incomplete due to his lack of understanding life.

What's amusing and interesting, Hummin, is how you are able to read so much nonsense into something that's not there.

Not a single comment on the rest of the post.  That's remarkable.  You only see what you want to see.  I gotta hand it to you, you are one of the biggest crybabies I've ever come across.  A never ending river of salty tears.

And you will be back to read this.  Guaranteed. 

I hope you feel better now, happy SongKran 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/9/2023 at 11:59 PM, Acharn said:

Any intelligent entity will have evolved from a predatory animal.

Apparently you believe that humans are the template for intelligence, or at least earthlike beings.

 

Given the billions of planets in the universe, any thing may have evolved with intelligence. The only thing required is a medium to transmit electricity, eg a mobile silicone like blob with electrical conductivity that feeds off the gas that is the atmosphere could evolve to be intelligent.

It's a big universe, let your mind accept that not everything will be earthlike.

[Hummin]

Not exactly related to the topic itself, but still interesting and within topics we have discussed how our brain works, stimulates, learning, rewiring and change behaviors.

 

 

The connectome of an insect brain

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add9330

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36893230/

[wangotango]

I have no time for religion in any way,shape or form ????

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, wangotango said:

I have no time for religion in any way,shape or form ????

You might learn something where you come from and why you are the way you are, and it doesnt mean you have to be religious, just learn about how society evolved and changed people slightly during time, and how it have impacted us for good and bad. 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, wangotango said:

I have no time for religion in any way,shape or form ????

If you don't give a reason for that you are off topic.

 

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[thaibeachlovers]

I was watching "the bottom line" today on Al Jazeera and the guest let it slip that he apparently wants to see a new religion come into existence! IMO he wants to co opt religion to make us subservient to his vision of a new world order.

IMO there is no depth too low that some <deleted> will not stoop in their quest to control us.

[Red Phoenix]

On 4/14/2023 at 10:49 AM, wangotango said:

I have no time for religion in any way,shape or form ????

I have no time for religion, I am too busy worshipping God in all its myriad manifestations. ????

[Tippaporn]

On 4/12/2023 at 12:53 PM, Hummin said:

I hope you feel better now, happy SongKran 

I always feel good, Hummin.  And a Happy Songkran to you (and all), too.
 

[notrub]

Nope.  Christians (and Jews?) are taught that if we are really really good then we may one day join 'god' as his/her 'child'.  Innocent and monitored even at this stage of existence.  This means, of course, that good is without and must fill the empty vessel (us) for us to be complete.  Consumerism is an example of Christians attempting to find peace through the acquisition of 'stuff'. A short cut not requiring meditation. 

I have read that Buddhism allows the faithful to 'become buddha' as the process of enlightenment progresses.  It seems that death is considered as part of a cycle and not feared as it is in the west.  This may be seen by observing young boys on motorbikes.  But blind consumption is not so significant here (also who can buy much with a salary of 10,000 baht/month?)

For me Christianity is summed up by the indubitable J.Wellington Wimpy: 'I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.'

Meanwhile, other supporters of the 'wait for your reward' bunch sail off on one of the estimated 5,000 super yachts in the world (multi million$ & even multi billion$).  Many of the owners have more that one.  Some have a second super yacht (in size) that is a tender containing 'toys' such a helicopters, speedboats, diving bells and who knows what.  

Bezos is one who believes his workers should wait for their rewards while he sails in his latest $500,000,000 sailing yacht (others cost much more).  He has many water vessels including a submarine(?) .

Reflect on that next time you place an order at his 'shop'.

No pics but take a look at https://www.istockphoto.com/th/ภาพถ่าย/superyacht and let your blood boil.

 

[mauGR1]

25 minutes ago, notrub said:

Consumerism is an example of Christians attempting to find peace through the acquisition of 'stuff'. A short cut not requiring meditation. 

That's a strange statement, i wonder what Christians you're talking about. 

There's not that much difference between religions or spiritual paths, if we look for the essential message, leaving out the superstitious cr*p.

If there's a dichotomy, imho, is more between spiritualism and materialism, but even then, that dichotomy doesn't really exist, as everyone has his own peculiar blend of materialistic and spiritual impulses. 

[thaibeachlovers]

52 minutes ago, notrub said:

Meanwhile, other supporters of the 'wait for your reward' bunch sail off on one of the estimated 5,000 super yachts in the world (multi million$ & even multi billion$).  Many of the owners have more that one.  Some have a second super yacht (in size) that is a tender containing 'toys' such a helicopters, speedboats, diving bells and who knows what.  

Bezos is one who believes his workers should wait for their rewards while he sails in his latest $500,000,000 sailing yacht (others cost much more).  He has many water vessels including a submarine(?) .

Are they actually religious?

Do they attend church services, and tithe?

Do they only have one coat?

Do they forgive those that sin against them?

etc.

 

If they don't, then they are not Christians in truth.

 

 

other supporters of the 'wait for your reward' bunch

To qualify in religion for heaven, one actually has to do something more than turn up at church occasionally, like being a good person.

 

There is nothing reported about Jesus saying that simply being rich disqualified one, other than being "difficult" to enter heaven.

 

[save the frogs]

there's a catholic priest in africa trying to convert a local tribe to catholicism.

the tribe uses bible pages to smoke weed.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

There was a discussion about karma a while back. I might have just seen a real life example.

 

Where I live, there was an evil guy who stole from me. He came across as a really great guy till he got what he wanted, then showed his true colours.

 

He died in a traffic accident.

 

I wonder if that was karma, or just stuff that happens.

[mauGR1]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There was a discussion about karma a while back. I might have just seen a real life example.

 

Where I live, there was an evil guy who stole from me. He came across as a really great guy till he got what he wanted, then showed his true colours.

 

He died in a traffic accident.

 

I wonder if that was karma, or just stuff that happens.

Personally, i accept the theory of cause and effect ( karma), however, while trying for decades to go deep into understanding how it works, i have come to the conclusion that it's better to stay humble. 

If karma is real, it's a supernatural design, and thus mysterious in its countless aspects. 

As we can see, life sometimes seems to be unjust in many ways, and it would be unfair to judge other people's lives, basing one's opinion on a few facts. 

While agreeing that to die a violent death is not a good way to go, it's not like all the people who dies from a violent death are bad people. 

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

While agreeing that to die a violent death is not a good way to go, it's not like all the people who dies from a violent death are bad people. 

Indeed, but my question was did he die young because he was a bad guy, or was it just a freak accident?

[mauGR1]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed, but my question was did he die young because he was a bad guy, or was it just a freak accident?

How would anyone know?

do things happen randomly?

Some people think that everything happen for a reason, other people don't, sometimes the truth is in the middle. 

Even famous masters have conflicting ideas about the laws of karma, and obviously there's not a chance to prove anything tangible. 

[save the frogs]

On 4/17/2023 at 6:39 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed, but my question was did he die young because he was a bad guy, or was it just a freak accident?

i don't believe things happen randomly. not major things anyway. 

but it's not always possible to connect the dots.

also, if karma carries over into multiple lifetimes if you believe in reincarnation, then it becomes even harder to connect the dots.

 

but if you look back at your life, you should be able to connect some dots.

think back to some things you shouldn't have done and the negative consequences that followed. 

 

 

[save the frogs]

native indians believe they "return to the stars" when they die?

 

 

[Hummin]

11 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

native indians believe they "return to the stars" when they die?

 

 

We are stardust, and stardust we will become again when recycled one time in future

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/smSZXRGQWKo?feature=share

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

i don't believe things happen randomly. not major things anyway. 

but it's not always possible to connect the dots.

also, if karma carries over into multiple lifetimes if you believe in reincarnation, then it becomes even harder to connect the dots.

 

but if you look back at your life, you should be able to connect some dots.

think back to some things you shouldn't have done and the negative consequences that followed. 

 

 

I prefer to think of all the good things I did in my life that accrued no rewards for me.

Does karma not work for doing good then, just penalty for doing bad?

 

Not for nothing is the saying "no good deed goes unpunished" valid.

Edited April 19, 2023 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

native indians believe they "return to the stars" when they die?

 

 

Pretty much my belief. Substitute God for stars and it is what I believe.

[save the frogs]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I prefer to think of all the good things I did in my life that accrued no rewards for me.

Does karma not work for doing good then, just penalty for doing bad?

i believe it works both ways and carries across multiple lifetimes.

people doing negative things don't normally see the consequences. that's why they just keep doing it. 

Edited April 20, 2023 by save the frogs

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

i believe it works both ways and carries across multiple lifetimes.

people doing negative things don't normally see the consequences. that's why they just keep doing it. 

If that's correct I must have been a real bad guy in my last life.

[save the frogs]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If that's correct I must have been a real bad guy in my last life.

me too.

first entire part of my life was clearing out negative karma.

hang in there. 

stop doing stupid things! 

 

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

me too.

first entire part of my life was clearing out negative karma.

hang in there. 

stop doing stupid things! 

 

I tend to like parts of Yin Yang where there is accepted we are a mix of good and bad to survive, in comparisson to other belief where we have to excuse us and live with our sins. Yin Yang is more based on direct causes of bad choices and bad actions. Universial laws, but no law comes without exceptions. 

[ross163103]

The clue's in the number of years this thread has been going, and # pages it has, 4 years 575 pages and counting, basically, never ending and going nowhere. 

 

I know, I know, I don't have to read it--and I don't, I just popped in today to see how long it's gone.

[Sunmaster]

39 minutes ago, ross163103 said:

The clue's in the number of years this thread has been going, and # pages it has, 4 years 575 pages and counting, basically, never ending and going nowhere. 

 

I know, I know, I don't have to read it--and I don't, I just popped in today to see how long it's gone.

Never ending, I agree....but going nowhere, not. We have come a long way, both individually as well as in the tone and scope of the discussions. If you read any one of the first hundred pages, you'll know what I mean.

 

In any case, we are not here to find "the ultimate answer", but use these pages to confront ourselves and others as a way to better understand ourselves and the world. 

Of course, some still come here to sow drama and discord too, but not so much anymore. 

Hang around if you like.

[Hummin]

Amen ????

[bignok]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If that's correct I must have been a real bad guy in my last life.

Serial killer?