Do you believe in God and why

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/6/2019 at 4:55 AM, oldhippy said:

Perhaps I use my brain more than you.

But do explain your metaphor for the benefit of The Clueless.

 

OTHER QUOTE:

Great.

So now science can "explain" earthquakes and tsunamis but cannot manage to control them.

Please explain this "metaphore" too.

That wasn't a metaphor. He was explaining that "science" might know some stuff, but not everything.

 

IMO human science at the present time is too primitive to even try and understand the existence or otherwise of the creator.

[Skeptic7]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You won't find the answer in a book, as it is within yourself. If you train yourself in a lifetime of study and meditation, you may discover the answer. Most of us can't be bothered to do that, so if we are lucky, we have an epithany, as I did.

 

Re faith; if it were provable, it wouldn't be faith, which is belief in something unprovable by mere humans.

Humanity just isn't advanced enough to be able to prove or disprove the existence of a being capable of creating life the universe and everything. Our science is too primitive for such advanced knowledge.

If "unprovable by mere humans", then it's unprovable...period. What else can possibly prove it? What else is there to prove it? 

 

And we already know what this type of faith is...it's belief in something without good reason or evidence. 

Edited December 9, 2019 by Skeptic7

[luckyluke]

1 hour ago, Skeptic7 said:

 

 

And we already know what this type of faith is...it's belief in something without good reason or evidence. 

Faith in a "superior being" is something one is free to have or not. 

 

I personally don't have it;

but have no problem at all with the ones who wish to have it. 

 

It is however my personal experience that some of the "believers" have real problems with the ones who aren't, claiming they are wrong, or not understand it, and persist, ad nauseam, they should alter their opinion. 

 

Well everybody is different.

 

Tolerance/respect is not for everybody.

 

It isn't for some "non-believers" as well. 

 

[Sunmaster]

7 hours ago, Elad said:

From the moment we wake up every morning our spine is subjected to the force of gravity, and since we are somewhat elastic (not rigid bodies) then our spines shrink about 1 cm during the course of each day and when we sleep it expands. When the spine shrinks during the day or when we are stood upright, the 'gravitational potential energy' is converted into 'kinetic energy' causing the spine to shrink, then some of the kinetic energy is converted into 'elastic potential energy' in the spine.

 

Its like squeezing a spring with your hands, the kinetic energy from your muscles is converted to elastic potential energy within the spring and if you let go of the spring the potential energy is converted back to kinetic energy.

 

If you can physically feel energy running through your spine during a 'kundalini experience' then it could be the potential energy being converted into kinetic energy and travelling through the spine?

 

Are kundalini experiences more intense in the evenings when the potential energy in the spine is higher? 

 

Hmm, I'm not sure if and how this is connected to the kundalini energy, but it doesn't sound like the same thing at all.
To make a visual example....This sounds like you open the water faucet in your bathroom and release some water every day. Now imagine the 3 Gorges Dam in China (the world's biggest dam) being opened and millions of liters flooding the valley below. That's how the kundalini energy feels like when it passes through the body.

The kundalini doesn't always travel straight through. Often it stops at certain points because there are blockages along the way that need to be cleared before it can move upwards.

From what I understand, the kundalini release is not a daily occurrence, but more like winning the lottery.

[luckyluke]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed, why would we believers wish to share insight with those that only seek to mock?

Mockery is sometimes used as an overreaction to tiresome, repeatedly, intolerant, "I know better than you", "You don't understand it", 

assertions. 

Edited December 9, 2019 by luckyluke

[Sunmaster]

5 hours ago, frantick said:

@Sunmaster TM? Spiritual side?  What's the spiritual side; Astral Projection?  OK Lobsang Rampa...????

Sorry, what is your question exactly?

[Sunmaster]

Just now, luckyluke said:

Mockery is sometimes used as an overreaction to tiresome, repeatedly, intolerant, assertions. 

If you are referring to the "fire and brimstone" threats, then I can understand, but thaibeachlover never said anything like that.

Edited December 9, 2019 by Sunmaster

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

Mockery is sometimes used as an overreaction to tiresome, repeatedly, intolerant, assertions. 

Agree with that, i am guilty myself having overreacted a couple of times on this thread.

[luckyluke]

13 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

If you are referring to the "fire and brimstone" threats, then I can understand, but thaibeachlover never said anything like that.

No I don't,

but referring to myself using the "Haha" emoticon. 

[Sunmaster]

2 hours ago, luckyluke said:

No I don't,

but referring to myself using the "Haha" emoticon. 

Curious to know why you were laughing at my comment regarding the kundalini energy...

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Curious to know why you were laughing at my comment regarding the kundalini energy...

It came over as ridiculous to me. 

We are all different. 

[Sunmaster]

Just now, luckyluke said:

It came over as ridiculous to me. 

We are all different. 

Nothing ridiculous about it, I assure you. I talk from first hand experience.

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Nothing ridiculous about it, I assure you. I talk from first hand experience.

A tin foil hat adapt told me the same. 

I suppose you will pretend it is different. 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

A tin foil hat adapt told me the same. 

I suppose you will pretend it is different. 

Wasn't it you that said It is however my personal experience that some of the "believers" have real problems with the ones who aren't, claiming they are wrong, or not understand it, and persist, ad nauseam, they should alter their opinion.  a few posts ago?

 

I hope I haven't engaged in anything like what you claim, as I have no axe to grind. Believe whatever you like, but seems strange to me that anyone would voluntarily read a thread and then complain about it, rather than just not read it at all.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

It came over as ridiculous to me. 

We are all different. 

If you find belief ridiculous, why are you even on here?

[mauGR1]

13 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

A tin foil hat adapt told me the same. 

I suppose you will pretend it is different. 

My experience happens to be very similar to @Sunmaster's, your supposition is wrong and your mockery is unnecessary.

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

... seems strange to me that anyone would voluntarily read a thread and then complain about it, rather than just not read it at all.

Not strange. 

I don't sleep very much and read nearly every topic, and often react to the 3 fora I am member of. 

 

I am actually in Belgium, wake up at 3 a.m. local time, read a lot of threads and reacted to some, also on this forum. 

[Sunmaster]

Just now, luckyluke said:

A tin foil hat adapt told me the same. 

I suppose you will pretend it is different. 

What has that got to do with anything? I'm not claiming there's anything supernatural or that there's a gigantic conspiracy in this. Please stay on topic.

The choices are:
1) Kundalini doesn't exist and I'm knowingly lying to you. Why would I be lying? What benefit would I get from it? 

2) Kundalini doesn't exist and I'm unknowingly lying to you. I didn't invent this energy. It is well documented throughout history and has been experienced by countless other people. It's not a figment of my own imagination.

 

3) Kundalini does exist but you don't believe me. Fair enough. I have no problem if you don't believe me personally, but consider that it might just be something you haven't experienced yet.

 

4) If Kundalini exists or not, you don't care either way. Also fair enough, but that's about you and not about the subject we're discussing. 

 

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If you find belief ridiculous, why are you even on here?

Freedom of expression and boredom. 

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

My experience happens to be very similar to @Sunmaster's, your supposition is wrong and your mockery is unnecessary.

You are entitled to your opinion, I consider I am entitled too. 

 

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

What has that got to do with anything? 

 

You asked me a question, I answered you. 

Sorry if you don't like my answer. 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Freedom of expression and boredom. 

I suggest you read the posts from the moderator explaining that it is not OK to mock on this thread, and what happens if you do. I suggest if you are on here only because you are bored that you read other threads. The DIY threads are interesting.

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

You are entitled to your opinion, I consider I am entitled too. 

 

You might consider getting some info before commenting on something you don't have any clue about

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Freedom of expression and boredom. 

Freedom of expression is limited by forum rules. I suggest you read them.

[Sunmaster]

Just now, luckyluke said:

You asked me a question, I answered you. 

Sorry if you don't like my answer. 

 

That wasn't an answer to what I said. That was just a blank statement, inferring that I'm crazy or delusional. Do you really expect me to like your "answer"?
I'm happy to discuss valid arguments, but if this is your level of participation, you can join skeptic in the "ignore list".

[mauGR1]

The funny thing with those "enlightened" atheists, they are so good at mockery, but when you ask them what they think, you can see how void they are.

[luckyluke]

Mockery is a relative concept and something each of us, in particular, resent differently. 

 

Such is the word "ridiculous". 

 

One should not been offense by this word, as it is an expression of a personal opinion, and everyone knows that an opinion has no "intresic value". 

 

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

The funny thing with those "enlightened" atheists, they are so good at mockery, but when you ask them what they think, you can see how void they are.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. 

[ThaiBunny]

3 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Mockery is a relative concept and something each of us, in particular, resent differently. 

In my experience people who take themselves seriously resent being mocked. It's also completely beyond their comprehension that there are people who don't take themselves seriously or/and cannot conceive how it is possible

Edited December 9, 2019 by ThaiBunny

[Sunmaster]

Just now, luckyluke said:

Mockery is a relative concept and something each of us, in particular, resent differently. 

 

Such is the word "ridiculous". 

 

One should not been offense by this word, as it is an expression of a personal opinion, and everyone knows that an opinion has no "intresic value". 

 

Ridiculous back peddling.