Do you believe in God and why

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I used to take people as they appeared, and got burned so many times that I now assume they are suspect. I'm rarely disappointed .

That's sad, but apparently a reality in our Brave New World.

The more one trusts another the more traumatic the betrayal feels. I've been backstabbed more by people I loved than strangers.

Plenty of lessons to be learned, for sure.

Nowadays i try not to have expectations, yet is undeniable that with age, after having been disappointed many times, we tend to become more cynical, or realistic if you prefer.

[Tippaporn]

I can say this with absolute certainty . . . mauGR1 has come very far in his spiritual development.  The telltale?  He has exquisite taste in music.  It takes a lot of development to be able to tune into those fine, higher harmonic frequencies.  Those less developed always listen to lower frequency sounds, what we here on earth call sh!t music.  Anyone playing the lowest of the low frequencies, such as rap, is most definitely a Neanderthal.  Want proof?  Check out the music he posts on the Blasts from the Past thread.

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I can say this with absolute certainty . . . mauGR1 has come very far in his spiritual development.  The telltale?  He has exquisite taste in music.  It takes a lot of development to be able to tune into those fine, higher harmonic frequencies.  Those less developed always listen to lower frequency sounds, what we here on earth call sh!t music.  Anyone playing the lowest of the low frequencies, such as rap, is most definitely a Neanderthal.  Want proof?  Check out the music he posts on the Blasts from the Past thread.

Thanks, you are too kind.

I think the 60's have been a sort of golden era for music and art in general, and if we look at the "Hippy utopia" an era of spiritual awakening.

I'm just posting some of the tunes i like more, and there are so many.

[Sunmaster]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I can say this with absolute certainty . . . mauGR1 has come very far in his spiritual development.  The telltale?  He has exquisite taste in music.  It takes a lot of development to be able to tune into those fine, higher harmonic frequencies.  Those less developed always listen to lower frequency sounds, what we here on earth call sh!t music.  Anyone playing the lowest of the low frequencies, such as rap, is most definitely a Neanderthal.  Want proof?  Check out the music he posts on the Blasts from the Past thread.

Musical preferences are like <deleted>-holes, they say....everyone's got one. ???? (and thinks his' doesn't smell) ???? ???? 

I must be a Neanderthal, because I like me some good rap too...not American though. 555

[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Thanks, you are too kind.

I think the 60's have been a sort of golden era for music and art in general, and if we look at the "Hippy utopia" an era of spiritual awakening.

I'm just posting some of the tunes i like more, and there are so many.

The birth of rock 'n' roll (much of it blues based) was without a doubt a musical renaissance.  I feel most fortunate to have lived it.

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Musical preferences are like <deleted>-holes, they say....everyone's got one. ???? (and thinks his' doesn't smell) ???? ???? 

I must be a Neanderthal, because I like me some good rap too...not American though. 555

Neanderthals can be good people, too.

 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

The birth of rock 'n' roll (much of it blues based) was without a doubt a musical renaissance.  I feel most fortunate to have lived it.

Indeed, as it often happens, the suffering and the hardships have developed a greater creativity.

 

[CharlieH]

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[Davo369]

[Curt1591]

Just a thought ....

One might assume that an atheist would also not believe in a hereafter. That one mean that a person is born, goes through life, and then it's lights out.

If this is the case, why do atheists take themselves so seriously? 

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Plenty of lessons to be learned, for sure.

Nowadays i try not to have expectations, yet is undeniable that with age, after having been disappointed many times, we tend to become more cynical, or realistic if you prefer.

I'm cynical. I was realistic before, when I still believe in innate goodness. Those days are long gone.

I do try not to have expectations, but they keep sneaking in. The expectation I have most often fulfilled is the one where when things are going OK some <deleted> is going to come along and stuff it up. That one comes true many times in my life. The last was when I was living in LOS and got married. I guess in that case I was the <deleted> as no one forced me to get married.

 

Certainly, I have yet to meet someone that does good deeds for no gain. I do good deeds, but alas I can't say that I do them without hope of a payoff sometime. I used to, but usually got shafted ( like the saying- no good deed goes unpunished ), so I stopped.

[owl sees all]

I think it will not be long before God (not sure which one), will step in and render the CORVIC-19 defenceless.

 

Common; get stuck in for the safety of humanity.

[ThaiBunny]

3 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I think it will not be long before God (not sure which one), will step in and render the CORVIC-19 defenceless.

 

[mauGR1]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm cynical. I was realistic before, when I still believe in innate goodness. Those days are long gone.

I still believe that most people are good; if they do wrong , it's because they can't do better.

It's ok to be good and fair with everyone, but it's wrong imho to expect the same goodness and fairness from other people.

I'm also keep doing the same mistake, although less often than in the past.

 

I have to teach myself, almost on daily basis, not to let my peace of mind be affected by other people's ignorance.

This thread is helping me a lot in this regard.

 

Jesus said it in few words: "Forgive them, because they don't know what they are doing".

I'll add, not because they deserve anything, but because you deserve a clean heart/mind.

[UbonThani]

30% ok, 50% selfish pr icks a holes

 

20% good

 

Only 1/5 are good

[ivor bigun]

On 3/12/2020 at 2:50 PM, Tippaporn said:

The birth of rock 'n' roll (much of it blues based) was without a doubt a musical renaissance.  I feel most fortunate to have lived it.

You and me ,it was a great time ,i lived in a flat in London next door to a famous musician ,just down the road from a group and a famous comedian and remember asking another now very famous and dead singer to stop playing his bloody guitar in the kitchen as nobody could hear the stereo, i sometimes cant believe that i a lad from the country was so lucky ,but they were far far different times ,"celebrities" then were in many ways just starting out and mixed in with all the other "groovy" people in London

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/13/2020 at 6:17 PM, owl sees all said:

I think it will not be long before God (not sure which one), will step in and render the CORVIC-19 defenceless.

 

Common; get stuck in for the safety of humanity.

Why? Humans have stuffed up the beautiful planet God gave us, and are more interested in killing each other than living in peace. Perhaps God has decided enough is enough and sent Corona to get rid of us, or perhaps Gaia has decided there are too many humans and sent Corona to reduce the population.

Obviously I don't know if either option is true, but one or the other is as likely as God saving us, IMO.

[mauGR1]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why? Humans have stuffed up the beautiful planet God gave us, and are more interested in killing each other than living in peace. Perhaps God has decided enough is enough and sent Corona to get rid of us, or perhaps Gaia has decided there are too many humans and sent Corona to reduce the population.

Obviously I don't know if either option is true, but one or the other is as likely as God saving us, IMO.

I partly disagree, most humans love peace and are not at all interested in killing each other.

That said, the planet must have seen more natural catastrophes than we will ever know, it's like if the whole physical environment is "wired" to reset from time to time, so the theory that "God is saving us" may be quite correct.

Yet, as spiritual beings we should not worry too much, if we see our physical body as  just a projection of our thoughts.

Why should one identify just with a physical body ? What really count is your thoughts.

Thoughts, in a way, are more real than a physical body imho.

 

 

[VincentRJ]

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

Yet, as spiritual beings we should not worry too much, if we see our physical body as  just a projection of our thoughts.

Why should one identify just with a physical body ? What really count is your thoughts.

Thoughts, in a way, are more real than a physical body imho.

 

It would be strange for anyone to identify with just a physical body, although I imagine that female models, porn stars, and muscle-building weight-lifters, probably gravitate more towards an identity with just the body, but never completely.

 

The situation of a body existing without thoughts happens every day for the vast majority of people. It's obvious and undeniable. Sleeping without dreaming means 'no thoughts'. Being under an effective anesthetic for an operation, means 'no thoughts'.

 

However, there is no verifiable evidence whatsoever of thoughts existing without a body.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

However, there is no verifiable evidence whatsoever of thoughts existing without a body.

Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Human science is too primitive to be able to find the evidence. Perhaps in a few thousand years it will be ( if we are still around ).

[Sunmaster]

The funniest thing you will watch today! ????????????

 

 

Edited March 15, 2020 by Sunmaster

[mauGR1]

13 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

It would be strange for anyone to identify with just a physical body, although I imagine that female models, porn stars, and muscle-building weight-lifters, probably gravitate more towards an identity with just the body, but never completely.

Agree, we all identify with a physical body in various degrees, my point is that materialists, not just weight-lifters tend to identify A LOT with the Physical reality, not just the literal body.

 

22 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

However, there is no verifiable evidence whatsoever of thoughts existing without a body.

Disagree with that.

Scientists define thoughts as 'electric impulses', electricity exists in nature without the need for a human body.

[VincentRJ]

30 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Scientists define thoughts as 'electric impulses', electricity exists in nature without the need for a human body.

Not true. Thought requires electrical impulses as an essential component, but without the brain, consisting of a network of around 86 billion neurons in humans, there is no thought.

 

It's ridiculous to claim that electrical impulses by themselves represent thought.????

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

Not true. Thought requires electrical impulses as an essential component, but without the brain, consisting of a network of around 86 billion neurons in humans, there is no thought.

Feel free to prove your assertion. Oh and can you name the other "essential components" of thought ?

 

6 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

It's ridiculous to claim that electrical impulses by themselves represent thought.

So it's fair to say that thoughts are electrical impulses, but that kind of electricity disappears if you take humans out of the equation ?

It seems quite a bold theory.

[Tippaporn]

3 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

The funniest thing you will watch today! ????????????

 

 

That was funny, Sunmaster.  Good find.  

[UbonThani]

17 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why? Humans have stuffed up the beautiful planet God gave us, and are more interested in killing each other than living in peace. Perhaps God has decided enough is enough and sent Corona to get rid of us, or perhaps Gaia has decided there are too many humans and sent Corona to reduce the population.

Obviously I don't know if either option is true, but one or the other is as likely as God saving us, IMO.

Not true at all. 7bn people. Hardly killed each other.

[UbonThani]

Bacteria, viruses and disease kill daily since forever.

 

Natural culling. Too much medicine has made the world overpopulated.

[OneMoreFarang]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

12 hours ago, VincentRJ said:

However, there is no verifiable evidence whatsoever of thoughts existing without a body.

Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Human science is too primitive to be able to find the evidence. Perhaps in a few thousand years it will be ( if we are still around ).

That reminds me of this wisdom: "Just because most raindrops are wet doesn't mean they ALL are."

https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/Thailand

[partington]

10 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Feel free to prove your assertion. Oh and can you name the other "essential components" of thought ?

 

So it's fair to say that thoughts are electrical impulses, but that kind of electricity disappears if you take humans out of the equation ?

It seems quite a bold theory.

It's not a bold theory, except to someone who does not understand either logic or how nerve impulses are transmitted.

 

Your previous argument stated "scientists define thought as electrical impulses." But scientists do not define thoughts as electrical impulses. Only you do. Any neurobiologist would know that thought is not only electrical impulses, but the simultaneous processing activity of these impulses through billions of nerve connections in structurally organised regions of living brains.

 

Thoughts need electrical impulses to occur, but in addition need many many other contingent processes to occur as well.

 

Your silliness is like saying " TV programs are electrical impulses, so as electricity exists in nature, TV programs can exist in nature without TV studios, cameras and actors."

 

Furthermore the kind of electrical impulses that occur in nerve cells cannot occur outside living organisms because they are based on the progressive movement of sodium ions from the inside to the outside and back again of living cells surrounded by a semi-permeable lipid membrane. 

 

These ion flows are also how nerve cells transmit instructions to muscles to move, including the muscles that you use to breathe, or blink your eyes. Breathing and eye-blinking do not result from conscious thought therefore I have shown you nerve impulses alone can exist within a living organism without necessarily producing or accounting for any conscious thought at all.

 

In short:

1. Electricity as occurring in nature, lightning and so on, are not the same as nerve impulses and are not "thought"

2. Even the specialised kind of electrical ion flows that comprise nerve impulses and can only occur in living creatures  do not alone necessarily produce conscious thought, because they occur everyday in everyone at a subconscious level.

 

 

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, partington said:

It's not a bold theory, except to someone who does not understand either logic or how nerve impulses are transmitted.

 

Your previous argument stated "scientists define thought as electrical impulses." But scientists do not define thoughts as electrical impulses. Only you do. Any neurobiologist would know that thought is not only electrical impulses, but the simultaneous processing activity of these impulses through billions of nerve connections in structurally organised regions of living brains.

 

Thoughts need electrical impulses to occur, but in addition need many many other contingent processes to occur as well.

 

Your silliness is like saying " TV programs are electrical impulses, so as electricity exists in nature, TV programs can exist in nature without TV studios, cameras and actors."

 

Furthermore the kind of electrical impulses that occur in nerve cells cannot occur outside living organisms because they are based on the progressive movement of sodium ions from the inside to the outside and back again of living cells surrounded by a semi-permeable lipid membrane. 

 

These ion flows are also how nerve cells transmit instructions to muscles to move, including the muscles that you use to breathe, or blink your eyes. Breathing and eye-blinking do not result from conscious thought therefore I have shown you nerve impulses alone can exist within a living organism without necessarily producing or accounting for any conscious thought at all.

 

In short:

1. Electricity as occurring in nature, lightning and so on, are not the same as nerve impulses and are not "thought"

2. Even the specialised kind of electrical ion flows that comprise nerve impulses and can only occur in living creatures  do not alone necessarily produce conscious thought, because they occur everyday in everyone at a subconscious level.

 

 

Thanks for the detailed explanations, surely my wording was not accurate.

My point was that thoughts can create realities.