Do you believe in God and why

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

In fact, your diet is your choice, but while the hunter-gatherers of ancient times have to sustain themselves with anything they could find, civilised people should do more ethical choices imo;

Apparently, the excessive production of meat is a lot more polluting and water-consuming than cereals and legumes production, so it would be an improvement for our planet if people were eating less meat.

On an added note, Lord Krishna, who has plenty of followers and devotees not only in India, but all over the world, recommended a vegetarian diet to the ones interested in expanding and elevating their consciousness, broadly speaking.

Since when did people with money ( all of us in the western world apparently ) do anything because it's the right thing to do?

We eat meat because it's delicious. We LOVE eating meat in all it's forms. Stuff the veges when we can have a lovely bit of animal to eat. My favourite is hot dogs and burgers- yummy.

[Rimmer]

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[mauGR1]

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Since when did people with money ( all of us in the western world apparently ) do anything because it's the right thing to do?

We eat meat because it's delicious. We LOVE eating meat in all it's forms. Stuff the veges when we can have a lovely bit of animal to eat. My favourite is hot dogs and burgers- yummy.

Well, since i was a little child, i always found meat disgusting, and by the age of 16 i completely stopped eating it, to my mother's despair.

I do a lot of things because (i think) it's the right thing to do, including sometimes going against my material cravings, i have the impression that the world is already full with people who do things because "they like it", without any care of how they impact the life of others.

I am not boasting, in fact most people despise any unselfish attitude, yet i don't really care.

[Elad]

I thought humans were omnivores?

From Wiki:

[VincentRJ]

16 hours ago, Elad said:

I thought humans were omnivores?

From Wiki:

Yes. We are neither Carnivores not Herbivores, but something in between, known as Omnivores. That capability has no doubt helped in our evolution from small furry animals to the magnificent Homo Sapiens Sapiens of today. ????

 

Being either a Herbivore or a Carnivore would be restrictive. As an Omnivore we have a far greater choice of food options that help us survive and thrive. ????

[giddyup]

44 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

Yes. We are neither Carnivores not Herbivores, but something in between, known as Omnivores. That capability has no doubt helped in our evolution from small furry animals to the magnificent Homo Sapiens Sapiens of today. ????

 

Being either a Herbivore or a Carnivore would be restrictive. As an Omnivore we have a far greater choice of food options that help us survive and thrive. ????

Some of those Antarctic explorers never would have survived as herbivores, they had to eat their dogs in extreme situations.

[VincentRJ]

5 hours ago, giddyup said:

Some of those Antarctic explorers never would have survived as herbivores, they had to eat their dogs in extreme situations.

Likewise the Inuits (or Eskimos), whose main diet consisted of seals, walruses, moose, caribou, reindeer, ducks, geese, quail, and lots of different types of fish.

[Sunmaster]

Eating habits of Eskimos? ????

Looks like this thread has run its course

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎9‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 6:34 PM, mauGR1 said:

Well, since i was a little child, i always found meat disgusting, and by the age of 16 i completely stopped eating it, to my mother's despair.

I do a lot of things because (i think) it's the right thing to do, including sometimes going against my material cravings, i have the impression that the world is already full with people who do things because "they like it", without any care of how they impact the life of others.

I am not boasting, in fact most people despise any unselfish attitude, yet i don't really care.

You are, of course, entitled to eat, or not eat, whatever you please, but so are we meat lovers.

Till some dictator makes us eat soy pretend meat instead, we'll continue to eat real meat.

 

i have the impression that the world is already full with people who do things because "they like it", without any care of how they impact the life of others.

Indeed, it is. However, meat eaters provide employment and livelihoods for millions and millions of people.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are, of course, entitled to eat, or not eat, whatever you please, but so are we meat lovers.

Till some dictator makes us eat soy pretend meat instead, we'll continue to eat real meat.

 

i have the impression that the world is already full with people who do things because "they like it", without any care of how they impact the life of others.

Indeed, it is. However, meat eaters provide employment and livelihoods for millions and millions of people.

I have no issues with that, unless you want to eat me, so enjoy whatever makes you happy.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, VincentRJ said:

Likewise the Inuits (or Eskimos), whose main diet consisted of seals, walruses, moose, caribou, reindeer, ducks, geese, quail, and lots of different types of fish.

Yes, it's difficult to find veges when everything is covered in snow.

Animals eat other animals, so why do some think it's wrong for us ( we are animals ) to do likewise?

Even "god". which the thread is about, does not ever say not to eat meat in any of the books purported to come from "god".

If "God" didn't want us to eat meat, he'd have given us 4 stomachs and no canines.

Edited September 23, 2019 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Eating habits of Eskimos? ????

Looks like this thread has run its course

It ran it's course long ago, but it's still interesting. Certain people are welcome to stop contributing if they agree with you.

 

It's clarified a lot of how I feel about "God" so very worthwhile thread.

[Tagged]

3 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

 

 

So those children were not in "the club"? Your club? A horrible thing to think, so much as post. ???? 

 

 

Without the tribe, so many people is lost in this world. Helpless and to weak to stand alone. 

Edited September 23, 2019 by Tagged

[CharlieH]

Reported post removed.

 

 

[Skeptic7]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, it's difficult to find veges when everything is covered in snow.

Animals eat other animals, so why do some think it's wrong for us ( we are animals ) to do likewise?

Even "god". which the thread is about, does not ever say not to eat meat in any of the books purported to come from "god".

If "God" didn't want us to eat meat, he'd have given us 4 stomachs and no canines.

There are monogastric, non-ruminant herbivores...so your stomach claim is innacurate. 

 

And the canine teeth claim is still inaccurate (regardless how many times it's repeated) since clear, verifiable evidence was provided previously that many/most mammals have canines regardless of diet.

 

Also provided with the differences between herbivores and carnivores. While humans are certainly omnivores, the similarities to herbivores are substantial and indisputable, if you'd care to refer back to Post 2709 on Page 181. 

[Sunmaster]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It ran it's course long ago, but it's still interesting. Certain people are welcome to stop contributing if they agree with you.

 

It's clarified a lot of how I feel about "God" so very worthwhile thread.

Yes, one good thing this thread has done for me, is to test my "theories" against other ideas, to see if they are still relevant in my life. I think they are and now I've decided to take them a step further and increase my practice.

 

[Sunmaster]

I had some free time on my hands and since I'm a visual kind of learner, I thought others might also benefit from a visual aid.

 

The first pic I drew shows four individuals, from very different backgrounds and generally as different as they can be regarding age, sex, education etc.

The one thing they have in common, is the need to look within and find out more about themselves. One might start with psychology books, another with meditation, another with prayer, one might go for shamanic experiences....whatever works. The important thing is that they take the first step to discover their inner worlds.

[Sunmaster]

The saying goes: you can only know others if you know yourself.

 

In the second picture you can see these 4 people after some time practicing their respective paths. Some may have extinguished one way and switched to a more effective path, others may have intensified and deepened their initial path...again, it doesn't matter as long as it works.
The 4 guys have grown and expanded their knowledge of who they really are. By doing so they came to realize that others are not that different from them and the differences are just superficial ripples on an otherwise still ocean.

[Sunmaster]

Practice make perfect.

 

The 3rd picture shows the natural evolution of their paths. They started out as small separate egos, but by exploring the inner realms of their being, they've grown and identified with their higher self. They also realized that their individual self is in reality not separated from other selfs and that ultimately, they are all fused together in one big SELF. 
On this level, there is no separation, there are no superficial ripples that distort the view.

The most important thing of these 3 pics is to realize that we are like in pic3 from the very beginning. There is no point in our lives where we are not connected to each other. The only difference is the amount of awareness we have of that state.
Luckily for us, we have full control over how much awareness we have in our lives. Some people prefer not to explore this part and that's fine too. Personally, I'm too curious to just ignore it. 

[Tagged]

Okay, one last chance

 

Why do you believe?

 

Why do you believe your God is the one?

 

why do you believe the bible is the truth?

 

 

I do not accept bible say, god say refering to the scripts!

 

Last

Do you accept if you born in Asia or middle east, you most likely be Hindu, Muslim or Buddhist? As you would most likely be a Jew if you grow up in a Jew family, as growing up in a Chatolic or Christian family, you would follow your family traditions!

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

There are monogastric, non-ruminant herbivores...so your stomach claim is innacurate. 

 

And the canine teeth claim is still inaccurate (regardless how many times it's repeated) since clear, verifiable evidence was provided previously that many/most mammals have canines regardless of diet.

 

Also provided with the differences between herbivores and carnivores. While humans are certainly omnivores, the similarities to herbivores are substantial and indisputable, if you'd care to refer back to Post 2709 on Page 181. ?.

I've been wrong before and will be again.

 

Re canine teeth, I happen to believe in evolution. While an animal with canines may now be a herbivore did they start off that way or did they start off as meat eaters?

All animals started off, far as I know, as air breathing fish that crawled out of the ocean. They subsequently evolved into different versions.

BTW, I was interested to find that by the pier in Krabi, there are fish wallowing around in the mud that breath air. Anyone know what they are called, as I'd be keen to check them out on Wikipedia?

 

To be on topic we have to relate meat eating to "God", and I believe that "God" has no objections to humans eating other animals. The prophet Jesus certainly had no objection to people eating fish.

[sirineou]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BTW, I was interested to find that by the pier in Krabi, there are fish wallowing around in the mud that breath air

They are either, mudskippers, or Ausies after a few beers.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Okay, one last chance

 

Why do you believe?

 

Why do you believe your God is the one?

 

why do you believe the bible is the truth?

 

 

I do not accept bible say, god say refering to the scripts!

 

Last

Do you accept if you born in Asia or middle east, you most likely be Hindu, Muslim or Buddhist? As you would most likely be a Jew if you grow up in a Jew family, as growing up in a Chatolic or Christian family, you would follow your family traditions!

 

 

 

No such thing as a "last chance", but...……..

I believe for the same reason that people believe in "love".

I don't believe in a god form inspired by humans. I have no idea what form "God" takes, and no living person does.

I've never said that the Bible is the "truth" Far as I'm concerned it's a history book of the Jews and early Christians.

All religions are constructs of humans and all paths of faith lead to the same destination- the achievement of "nirvana".

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To be on topic we have to relate meat eating to "God", and I believe that "God" has no objections to humans eating other animals. The prophet Jesus certainly had no objection to people eating fish.

A few Indian religions, or i should say sects recommend a vegetarian diet, for the well being of oneself , the animals and the environment altogether. Specifically Krishna's and Jainist cults.

As someone said, the lenght of human's intestine is comparable to herbivore's standards, and we have only 4 canines on a total of 32 teeth.

That said, i'm not against a moderate meat consumption, as my long experience as a vegetarian is telling me.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

They are either, mudskippers, or Ausies after a few beers.

Thank you. A 5 second perusal of the picture provided by google seems to that of the Krabi fish. I'll check it out when I have more time.

I thought I was looking at our ancestors when I first saw them.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

A few Indian religions, or i should say sects recommend a vegetarian diet, for the well being of oneself , the animals and the environment altogether. Specifically Krishna's and Jainist cults.

As someone said, the lenght of human's intestine is comparable to herbivore's standards, and we have only 4 canines on a total of 32 teeth.

That said, i'm not against a moderate meat consumption, as my long experience as a vegetarian is telling me.

I have no doubt that being vegetarian is a good thing for us ( but not for the farm animals that would all be killed if no one ate them, except for ones like sheep that grow wool, though wool is worth BA these days, so even that might not save them ). However, if I had to eat only vegan, I might have to off myself as meals would be so boring ( sarcasm alert for the humour challenged among us ).

BTW if animals were not killed for human food, where would we get leather, and what would pet animals eat?

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BTW if animals were not killed for human food, where would we get leather, and what would pet animals eat?

There are alternatives to leather, and the animal population would find a balance eventually.

[Tagged]

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

There are alternatives to leather, and the animal population would find a balance eventually.

Or we find a balance? Eat less meat, and more balanced food, from other sources. Insects will be one part in the future for the sure.

 

Milk is for most people healthy and important to their diet.

Edited September 23, 2019 by Tagged

[Sunmaster]

Regarding meat...
I've been vegetarian for 7 years and then went back to eat meat. I can't say I've noticed any physical or mental difference before or after. 
Anyway, I think the main point is not so much if we eat them or not.

The important part is how we treat them. 
American natives always thanked the spirit of the animals when they hunted them. They never inflicted unnecessary pain or suffering. That's how we should treat them too. 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Regarding meat...
I've been vegetarian for 7 years and then went back to eat meat. I can't say I've noticed any physical or mental difference before or after. 
Anyway, I think the main point is not so much if we eat them or not.

The important part is how we treat them. 
American natives always thanked the spirit of the animals when they hunted them. They never inflicted unnecessary pain or suffering. That's how we should treat them too. 

Farm animals get a pretty good deal. They get fed, don't have to evade predators till their last day, and are humanely killed.