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As far as I understand the strange Thai law, the age of consent is 15, but for some strange reason that consent can be withdrawn later if they are aged under 18.

I would think that as they both consented and are both under 18, they could both withdraw consent so that the girl could also be charged with statutory rape.

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The boy's word against the girl's. I reckon the one who pays the most tea money wins the case. I was also under the impression that if you agreed to marry the girl here then all charges of rape etc were dropped(?) I'm willing to be corrected.

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14 hours ago, Thomas J said:

I doubt it, they work at our home only infrequently doing occasional jobs like painting and yard work.  Maybe three times in the past year.  Hardly a close relationship. 

If it's hardly a close relationship why would they tell you of this situation and subsequent extortion?  Is it possible they have an ulterior motive for informing you?

The advice of 'not my family, not my problem' seems good.

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1 hour ago, dotpoom said:

Agree...I don't understand the replies on here including the OP's.

In very many countries (don't know about Thailand I will admit) 15 years of age would be considered  "under the age of concent"...meaning ...whether she gives her consent or not is immaterial..speaks for itself".

  Therefore, having intercourse with her is considered as "Rape".

   

The USA is not 'very many countries', for most of Europe the age of consent is between 14 and 16 years old. South America, almost all at 14.

Here's the list for Asia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia

Surprised the Philippines is 12.

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21 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

If it's hardly a close relationship why would they tell you of this situation and subsequent extortion?  Is it possible they have an ulterior motive for informing you?

The advice of 'not my family, not my problem' seems good.

Exactly my thoughts

There is nothing strange about this ( I'm guessing this may be Isaan )

I knew of a situation where the girls parents wanted a 20,000 deposit since the young lad was seeing their daughter quite often

As far as I'm concerned I will not be doing this for my son as I'm not the one in the situation

(if he wants her that bad he better work harder)

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54 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

If it's hardly a close relationship why would they tell you of this situation and subsequent extortion?  Is it possible they have an ulterior motive for informing you?

The advice of 'not my family, not my problem' seems good.

My partners two favourite sayings. Not my problem and Don’t bother me.

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18 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

In what country would it be worth 100,000 baht ($3000)?

It happens, 100k seems to be standard. I think it only works if the guy is 20+ and the girl hasn't reached the age of consent. A gold shop owner told me that he had to pay 100k because his son 20 had sex with a 16 year old girl. My step daughter 15 had sex with a 20 year old but the missus only got 10k because the guys parents were poor. It doesn't go to court, it gets regulated at the police station with all the parties involved. 

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They probably want to make sure they actually get married and tell him how much the sin sot is at the same time...

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20 hours ago, Thomas J said:

I told him that I did not think there was any concern and if anything charges could likely be brought against the girls parents for extortion?  

I have had conversations regarding this subject with my gf a few times and this is normal procedure

She had informed me it happened a couple of times with girls she knew when she was a young girl

If they have threatened this action it should not be taken lightly

You can call their bluff and if they call the police then negotiations will need to be undertaken at the police station

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18 hours ago, BigT73 said:

Legal law of Thailand https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/thailand from what I understand after she turns 15 its a compoundable offense.  Usually its her virtue that has been taken and parents of the girl are worried that it will be harder for her to get married and find a partner, but if they were already engaged it shows he had a commitment to her and may not stand in court.  You may need real advise from a lawyer or the local police, but seeing its a compoundable offense, they may be able to strike an agreement where the boy will pay his new inlaws as an ongoing debt, like an extended sinsot.

 

That is what this website says but looking at the actual penal code I do not see anywhere that it is an offense after the age of 15.

 

Section 277 is the relevant section and says only under age 15 9with stringer penalties if under 13). No mention anywhere in the penal code that i can see of under 18. ???

 

 

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10 hours ago, Gracas said:

Is it possible that your worker (the father of the boy) is trying to get a 100K loan from you with this story ?

Maybe the boy has not even dipped his wick yet.

No he has not even suggested it.   I believe it is true.  He has severe health problems with his liver and has gone back to drinking due to the situation.  I just find the entire thing ridiculous.  It would seem you have two consenting teens, the girl over the age of consent, and the parents can extort? 

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3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

The USA is not 'very many countries', for most of Europe the age of consent is between 14 and 16 years old. South America, almost all at 14.

Here's the list for Asia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia

Surprised the Philippines is 12.

A very common scam in the Philippines is that someone takes a girl or two into his hotel room.  The girls start to take off their clothes and suddenly the police barge in and arrest the guy because one of them is under 18.  This is a total setup and the police will demand a large sum/fine to avoid the arrest.

Under 12 is rape, between 12 and 18 is "seduction" and is a crime.

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3 hours ago, soalbundy said:

It happens, 100k seems to be standard. I think it only works if the guy is 20+ and the girl hasn't reached the age of consent. A gold shop owner told me that he had to pay 100k because his son 20 had sex with a 16 year old girl. My step daughter 15 had sex with a 20 year old but the missus only got 10k because the guys parents were poor. It doesn't go to court, it gets regulated at the police station with all the parties involved. 

I am still puzzled.  What leverage does the girls family have?  Is it illegal for a boy 16 to have consenting sex with a girl 15.  If not, I would tell them to pound sand. 

 

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5 hours ago, loong said:

As far as I understand the strange Thai law, the age of consent is 15, but for some strange reason that consent can be withdrawn later if they are aged under 18.

I would think that as they both consented and are both under 18, they could both withdraw consent so that the girl could also be charged with statutory rape.

 

No, the girl always wins in the courts, or the girls family does, in cases like this. Maybe because the judges know what lying ratbags Thai boys are.

 

5 hours ago, jesimps said:

The boy's word against the girl's. I reckon the one who pays the most tea money wins the case. I was also under the impression that if you agreed to marry the girl here then all charges of rape etc were dropped(?) I'm willing to be corrected.

 

The problem with your theory is it has been tried and tested, and it is a frequent ' story ' to get boys out of a predicament. A story that the upcountry parents are wise to as well.

 

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

 

That is what this website says but looking at the actual penal code I do not see anywhere that it is an offense after the age of 15.

 

Section 277 is the relevant section and says only under age 15 9with stringer penalties if under 13). No mention anywhere in the penal code that i can see of under 18. ???

 

 

 

It is too much of a grey area as I have mentioned before with all types of things coming into the equation. It is especially a big issue when the girl is 15 years or 16 years old. She is still under parental control. The parents' consent is always a big factor in all of this. It is not black and white. I know of even foreigners that have tried these stories quoting laws from these textbooks about ages of consent, and trying to get away with underage sex with girls and boys in Thailand.

 

I have also said from my time in Bangkok, that I have personally seen and spoken with young men from ' Way Noom ' prison for young offenders, who did exactly the same with 15-year-old girls, refused or couldn't pay the families and were charged with statutory rape, and received prison sentences.

 

It is also a safety net used by these people upcountry, as too many boys are getting these girls pregnant and then just disappear leaving the problem to the girl, and not helping. There have also been cases of too many girls throwing these babies in rubbish dumps or leaving them in forests, at petrol stations, etc

 

They are also well known for disappearing off to the cities on the pretext they are going to work and send money home.

 

In reality, they abandon their responsibilities and ditch these children with grandparents.

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On 6/13/2019 at 9:28 AM, Thomas J said:

What is the age of consent here in Thailand?

18-years, under that age they need parent's permission if between 15 and 17...????

 

Little strange rule, because both 15 year and 18 year are age of consent, but when under 18, parents can make objection.

 

Solution is to pay off – eventually negotiate a compensation – that's how its often cleared in Thailand.

 

Quote from Wikipedia, "Age of consent in Asia"...

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Thailand

The age of consent in Thailand is 15 regardless of gender or sexual orientation, as specified by article 279 of the Thai Criminal Code. The current legislation applies to all regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

 

However, parts of the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, which disallow any sexual contact with prostitutes under the age of 18, are widely interpreted by some local authorities to cover sexual acts classed as "obscenity for personal gratification". Also, from the Penal Code Amendment Actof 1997 Section 283bis, having sex with an adolescent under 18 is a compoundable offense even with the consent of that person. The parent or the adolescent may file charges against the other side if they later regret their own action. This ostensibly makes the Thai unfettered age of consent 18.

 

A high-profile example of this application of the law was a statutory rape charge filed against the lead singer of the Thai band Big Ass for allegedly having had sex with a (then) 16-year-old girl. The charge was filed by the girl after the singer refused to take responsibility for her baby. The singer has since been cleared of being the baby's father due to the results of a paternity test and he received 2 years suspended sentence.[83][84]

 

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The Age of Consent in Thailand is 15 years old. The age of consent is the minimum age at which an individual is considered legally old enough to consent to participation in sexual activity. Individuals aged 14 or younger in Thailand are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape or the equivalent local law.

Thailand statutory rape law is violated when an individual has consensual sexual intercourse with a person under age 15. However, sex with a minor under age 18 is a compoundable offense, regardless of consent.

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On 6/13/2019 at 5:42 PM, BigT73 said:

Did the girls parents know about this marriage proir or is it happening cause they had sexual relations?

If he was having sex with her under the age of 15, then he has committed statutory rape 

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Don't worry about this. You can bring the girl to to the police and charge she with statutory rape. Your son was a virgin. Now not anymore. ????

This never will go to court.

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A 16 year old playing hide the sausage with a 15 year old who consented ????

Its a lot better than some 60 plus guy wanting to do it to the girl

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15 hours ago, soalbundy said:

It happens, 100k seems to be standard. I think it only works if the guy is 20+ and the girl hasn't reached the age of consent. A gold shop owner told me that he had to pay 100k because his son 20 had sex with a 16 year old girl. My step daughter 15 had sex with a 20 year old but the missus only got 10k because the guys parents were poor. It doesn't go to court, it gets regulated at the police station with all the parties involved. 

The wife's cousin told her he negotiated to 50k - pre cops. He said if the cops are involved it'll go to 100 cause of their cut.

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afaik there is no such thing as statutory rape in Thailand, only sex with an under age person, and it's different for under 18, under 15 and under 13. The age of consent is a bit confusing. between 15 and 18 boys/girls can consent to have sex, but can change their mind after the action and report the partner to the police. the partner can be charged even if he/she is also aged 15-18... so whoever is having sex with a person under 18 takes a big risk.

At 15, a person needs a court approval to get married (talking about official marriage registration at the district office)

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2 hours ago, LukKrueng said:

afaik there is no such thing as statutory rape in Thailand, only sex with an under age person, and it's different for under 18, under 15 and under 13. The age of consent is a bit confusing. between 15 and 18 boys/girls can consent to have sex, but can change their mind after the action and report the partner to the police. the partner can be charged even if he/she is also aged 15-18... so whoever is having sex with a person under 18 takes a big risk.

At 15, a person needs a court approval to get married (talking about official marriage registration at the district office)

That makes about as much sense as the immigration department regulations here in Thailand.  I can consent between the ages of 15 to 18 but withdraw my consent later.  Now who came up with that brilliant piece of legislation. 

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18 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

That makes about as much sense as the immigration department regulations here in Thailand.  I can consent between the ages of 15 to 18 but withdraw my consent later.  Now who came up with that brilliant piece of legislation. 

The Age of Consent in Thailand is 15 years old. The age of consent is the minimum age at which an individual is considered legally old enough to consent to participation in sexual activity. Individuals aged 14 or younger in Thailand are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape or the equivalent local law.

Thailand statutory rape law is violated when an individual has consensual sexual intercourse with a person under age 15. However, sex with a minor under age 18 is a compoundable offense, regardless of consent.

 

https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/thailand

 

 

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30 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Individuals aged 14 or younger in Thailand are not legally able to consent to sexual activity,

They are if they're married.

It's so much easier in Muslim countries where if you're married you can have sex, and if you aren't married sex is a criminal offence.

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