Is it racist to dislike/hate accents?

[Laza 45]

...it is ignorance...

 

[brokenbone]

you cant leave out the scots out of this,

and not certain parts of london either.

its not racist but i deeply regret it if i ever find myself

trying to figure out what above sods are trying to tell me

[pgrahmm]

Partially ingrained via stereotyping.....

Certain accents set of certain responses based on our experiences, beliefs, & inclinations.....

Whether based on fact, or outside influences (social media & entertainment industries, among others) many non thinkers let this form their opinions....

 

I'd have to say loud, aggressive speakers are more troublesome to me, regardless of accent....

 

[Chazar]

15 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Not saying that you are, but this is something a racist would say. 

I rest my case.

[NoshowJones]

I don't see why it it racist. I like the Cockney and South of England accents and as a Scot, understand them very easily, but the Liverpool  accent is awful and harder to understand, ie, the "uh" comes out as "eh", and the mens high pitched voices??

[worgeordie]

The new Top Gear,just out ,Americans will definitely have to

have the subtitles on,as i am sure they will never understand

the two Northern lads.

regards Worgeordie

[monkeycu]

15 hours ago, BestB said:

I dislike  any Thai who keeps saying “ my friend you” 

What about  " you friend me "  

My wife used both of these for many years, she never understood why I would get up and go outside

What little functioning grey matter I had left was being killed off by her

[monkeycu]

I dislike having to talk to call centre operators from India they talk too fast.

I ask them to slow down or let me speak with a person who CAN speak English

It all falls on deaf ears

Maybe we needed  Alf Garrnett to teach English  

[NoshowJones]

17 hours ago, BritManToo said:

If they aren't native English speakers, I usually don't want to speak to them.

Can't be bothered really, doesn't matter what colour their skin is.

Germans, Dutch, French, Thai, Khmer ....... I just don't want to talk to them.

Mind you, there's few English speakers I can tolerate for long either.

like the Scousers????

[NoshowJones]

17 hours ago, BestB said:

But if you dislike the accent, will you not dislike the person speaking?

 

No, Nothing wrong with the Liverpool people in general, just that dreadful accent.

[NoshowJones]

17 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Surrounded by my family that all speak English with a slight London accent.

Cockney accents very easy for me to understand.

[NoshowJones]

16 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Umm I think that it is John Kerry sounds like a well educated English person, who had speech coaches, and therapists.

 

Who's John Kerry?

[NoshowJones]

16 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Nothing was mentioned about disliking the person, it was about the attribute of the accent.

True, but nothing wrong with answering a post even if it does go a bit off topic.

[NoshowJones]

16 hours ago, BestB said:

If you do not like ice cream you would not go into ice cream shop.

 

if you not into overweight women, you would not approach one .

 

if you do not like someone’s accent , it is most likely you will avoid them or keep contact to a minimum 

 

would you not agree?

 

this is not about being politically correct but more to do with human nature 

"you do not like ice cream you would not go into ice cream shop."

Wrong, As a non drinker, and do not like anything to do with alcohol, it does not stop me going into any establishment that sells alcohol, I could be going for the entertainment, or with mates who like a pint, and buy myself an orange juice.

[BestB]

Just now, possum1931 said:

"you do not like ice cream you would not go into ice cream shop."

Wrong, As a non drinker, and do not like anything to do with alcohol, it does not stop me going into any establishment that sells alcohol, I could be going for the entertainment, or with mates who like a pint, and buy myself an orange juice.

And if you did not like bars, would you be going into a bar alone ?

[lipflipper]

I must be a racist because I find it nearly impossible to understand an Aussie or a Kiwi when they speak. Understand that I am referring to those times when I am in a bar and the down under Lads are at their vocal best.

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[soalbundy]

18 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Surrounded by my family that all speak English with a slight London accent.

London accents are awful, I'd rather listen to an American accent and I can't stand them.

[NoshowJones]

7 minutes ago, BestB said:

And if you did not like bars, would you be going into a bar alone ?

Yes, if I liked the band that was playing, or looking to see if anyone I know is there. But I certainly would not go in to sit by myself unless I was waiting for someone.

[Chazar]

1 hour ago, monkeycu said:

I dislike having to talk to call centre operators from India they talk too fast.

I ask them to slow down or let me speak with a person who CAN speak English

It all falls on deaf ears

Maybe we needed  Alf Garrnett to teach English  

Their  whole aim at  call centres is to get rid  of you anyway they can.

Edited June 19, 2019 by Chazar

[BestB]

2 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Yes, if I liked the band that was playing, or looking to see if anyone I know is there. But I certainly would not go in to sit by myself unless I was waiting for someone.

Many ifs . I do not like fat women but if one was giving out free oral I would see her. What if you were not into bands?

 

that was my point , if something annoys you, would you know keep contact to an absolute minimum?

[soalbundy]

Who cares ? what are you afraid of, lying awake at night thinking "Oh God I hope I'm not racist". The most charming accents are Irish, Cornwall, Somerset, the worst is a London accent which is spreading out like a cancer growth. The Russians speak English as if they are drunk, Indians are OK if they wouldn't keep wobbling their heads.

[BestB]

1 minute ago, Chazar said:

There  whole aim at  call centres is to get rid  of you anyway they can.

Try calling Australian government agencies and you would think

you were speaking to a call centre in India????????

[BestB]

Just now, soalbundy said:

Who cares ? what are you afraid of, lying awake at night thinking "Oh God I hope I'm not racist". The most charming accents are Irish, Cornwall, Somerset, the worst is a London accent which is spreading out like a cancer growth. The Russians speak English as if they are drunk, Indians are OK if they wouldn't keep wobbling their heads.

Irish is charming ? Yeah maybe after a litre of vodka , even dogs barking sounds like a good song????

[NoshowJones]

18 minutes ago, BestB said:

Many ifs . I do not like fat women but if one was giving out free oral I would see her. What if you were not into bands?

 friends

that was my point , if something annoys you, would you know keep contact to an absolute minimum?

If I was not into bands and did not have any friends who go into drinking establishments, I would have joined the flying club long ago.

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

"you do not like ice cream you would not go into ice cream shop."

Wrong, As a non drinker, and do not like anything to do with alcohol, it does not stop me going into any establishment that sells alcohol, I could be going for the entertainment, or with mates who like a pint, and buy myself an orange juice.

But you generally only get ice cream in an ice cream shop

Rarely entertainment

Maybe an orange juice

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, BestB said:

Try calling Australian government agencies and you would think

you were speaking to a call centre in India????????

You possibly are, so many contracted out

 

[CapraIbex]

Interesting write-up and educational for them bigots...

(The author is unknown)

"When we say that someone speaks with an accent, we generally mean one of two things: a nonnative accent or a so-called nonstandard accent. Both can have consequences for their speakers. In other words, it is worth acknowledging that people discriminate on the basis of accent within their own language group, as well as against those perceived as language outsiders. The privileged status of the standard accent is, of course, rooted in education and socioeconomic power.

The standard accent is not necessarily the same as the highest-status accent. It is simply the dominant accent, the one you are most likely to hear in the media, the one that is considered neutral. Nonstandard native accents are also underrepresented in the media, and like nonnative accents, are likely to be stereotyped and mocked. Terms like Queens talk, Cockney accent, Southern drawl, Midwestern twang or Valley Girl upspeak underscore the layered status attached to particular ways of speaking.

Such judgments are purely social — to linguists, the distinctions are arbitrary. However, the notion of the neutral, perfect accent is so pervasive that speakers with stigmatized accents often internalize the prejudice they face. The recent re-evaluation of the “Simpsons” character Apu provides an important example of how the media and popular culture use accents to make easy — and uneasy — jokes.

When you are learning a language, a marked accent is usually also accompanied by other features, like limited vocabulary or grammatical mistakes. In the classroom, we understand that this is a normal stage in the development of proficiency. Many would have a hard time understanding the Spanish of English-speaking students in first-semester classroom.

Later, these same students study abroad in Barcelona or Cuzco or Buenos Aires, and often struggle to make themselves understood. But such is the privilege of English — and this is key — that nobody hearing their American/English accents presumes that they are less capable, less ambitious or less honest than if their R’s had a nicer trill.

It’s certainly true that a marked accent can get in the way of making yourself understood. E.S.L. learners and others are well advised to work on their pronunciation.

It is not that we need to forget the aim of easily comprehensible communication — obviously, that remains the goal. But we do need to set aside the illusion that there is a single true and authentic way to speak.

English is a global language with many native and nonnative varieties. Worldwide, nonnative speakers of English outnumber natives by a ratio of three to one. Even in the United States, which has the largest population of native English speakers, there are, according to one estimate, nearly 50 million speakers of English as a second language. What does it even mean to sound native when so many English speakers are second-language speakers? Unless you are an embedded spy like the Jenningses, it is counterproductive to hold nativelike pronunciation as the bar you have to clear.

Accent by itself is a shallow measure of language proficiency, the linguistic equivalent of judging people by their looks. Instead, we should become aware of our linguistic biases and learn to listen more deeply before forming judgments. How large and how varied is the person’s vocabulary? Can she participate in most daily interactions? How much detail can he provide when retelling something? Can she hold her own in an argument?

Sadly, language discrimination based on accent is not merely an academic idea. Experiments show that people tend to make negative stereotypical assumptions about speakers with a nonnative accent. The effect extends all the way to bias against native speakers whose name or ethnicity reads as foreign."

[monkeycu]

1 hour ago, Chazar said:

Their  whole aim at  call centres is to get rid  of you anyway they can.

They have done that 100% 

[gk10002000]

I hate the sound of viet.  The accents and meter of the language just sound horrible to me. But nothing against Vietnamese.   Thai ladies talking in descending tones sounds pleasant to my ears.

[Orton Rd]

Worst accent in the world is Geordie, from NE England, and some of the worst people as well, horrible.

 

 

Edited June 19, 2019 by Orton Rd