UK economy shrinks as Brexit, global worries mount: PMI

[elliss]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Yes, the use of "ultimately" does allow for indefinite postponement. As in "Jesus will ultimately return."

 

    All in good time , our Lord acts in strange ways , do not despair .

 

   UK is  going in one direction , down the pan at a pace .  Thx brexitears.

 

 

 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, candide said:

Interesting to see how Brexiters' statements have evolved. Now it is "it will take time". ????

A broad brush but incorrect. Most Brexiteers still here that were also on TV in 2016 did not expect a no problem Brexit. Far from it. We did not expect the EU to offer up such a crappy "deal" and then actually expect that it would be accepted, either!  

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Yes, the use of "ultimately" does allow for indefinite postponement. As in "Jesus will ultimately return."

Might not be such a bad thing, eh?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

You speak for all 52% do you? Amazing how they all think exactly like you. 

I think they do, pretty much.

[bristolboy]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A broad brush but incorrect. Most Brexiteers still here that were also on TV in 2016 did not expect a no problem Brexit. Far from it. We did not expect the EU to offer up such a crappy "deal" and then actually expect that it would be accepted, either!  

Yes, Brexiters did not expect that their country would be treated just like any other nation that was not a member of the EU. What they expected was so much favoritism that it would make remaining in the EU a comparatively bad deal. This was explained over and over to Brexiters but to no avail.

[nauseus]

51 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Yes, Brexiters did not expect that their country would be treated just like any other nation that was not a member of the EU. What they expected was so much favoritism that it would make remaining in the EU a comparatively bad deal. This was explained over and over to Brexiters but to no avail.

Silly Billy.

[baboon]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

A broad brush but incorrect. Most Brexiteers still here that were also on TV in 2016 did not expect a no problem Brexit. Far from it. We did not expect the EU to offer up such a crappy "deal" and then actually expect that it would be accepted, either!  

Well what did you expect? 

From sunny uplands to having cake and eating it, the easiest deal in history and loads more for the NHS, to...?

'Well yes, it's going to be calamitous. But at some undefined point in the future things will be looking up. Probably.'

You could say the same about the aftermath of a nuclear war. Let's all let fly with the ICBMS, then. Such arguments are frankly risible.

Edited July 4, 2019 by baboon

[elliss]

On 7/3/2019 at 9:33 PM, champers said:

No sweat. 160,000 Tories will choose the PM, everyone will piss off for their 6 week holidays, then we have the party conferences, then Brexit will get a look in ...  maybe.

 

 

Never a truer statement made ,  may i quote Shakespeare ,

 Democratically elected Goverments , are there to fill their pockets , one purpose only.

 

 

Edited July 4, 2019 by elliss

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, baboon said:

Well what did you expect? 

From sunny uplands to having cake and eating it, the easiest deal in history and loads more for the NHS, to...?

'Well yes, it's going to be calamitous. But at some undefined point in the future things will be looking up. Probably.'

You could say the same about the aftermath of a nuclear war. Let's all let fly with the ICBMS, then. Such arguments are frankly risible.

I expected a dirty fight. I ignored the BS and promises from both sides, as I will ignore your imagined perceptions and non-comparisons, which are frankly...risible.

 

 

[nkg]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

 

Nice graph :)

 

You make a good point that the pound lost a lot of value against the dollar BEFORE the Brexit vote.

 

Following the Brexit vote, the pound crashed and kept sliding for 4 months, all the way down to 28/10/2016 1 GBP = 1.2182 USD.

Since November 2016 the pound has modestly recovered against the dollar. Yesterday 1 GBP = 1.2579 USD

 

[baboon]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I expected a dirty fight. I ignored the BS and promises from both sides, as I will ignore your imagined perceptions and non-comparisons, which are frankly...risible.

 

 

So what did / do you believe in? How do we extricate ourselves from this mess? Do you want the UK to remain intact or is it just England you care about?

You are welcome to slag me off all you want, but can't you see we are all of us in the UK are in real, real trouble and that either side blaming it away is just making matters worse?

 

Can we not compromise before we rip ourselves apart?

 

[elliss]

20 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

No arguments  , just empty slogans as we slip into the obscurity and economic decline. Pathetic.

 

       All is not completely lost . 

       UK may return as  a third world country . 

        If EU ,  allows ..

 

[sawadee1947]

7 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

To have a different view is one thing. To undermine the Democratic decision of the British people,is something else. 

Is it democratic to hide facts and to tell lies?

I think it's a right for democracy to review decisions

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, baboon said:

So what did / do you believe in? How do we extricate ourselves from this mess? Do you want the UK to remain intact or is it just England you care about?

You are welcome to slag me off all you want, but can't you see we are all of us in the UK are in real, real trouble and that either side blaming it away is just making matters worse?

 

Can we not compromise before we rip ourselves apart?

 

I don't think that my post contained any more slag than yours. I did and do believe that the UK should leave the EU (my reasons have been given numerous times over the last 3 years and I'm not doing that again). I did and do believe that leaving would be/is messy but I did and do believe that if the EU had been able to accept the loss of the UK as a member, then they could have facilitated a reasonable exit that would have been relatively painless and even beneficial for both sides. 

 

That it is all such as mess means that there can be blame cast in several directions and on to both sides but I agree that helps nothing now. But compromise should work both ways and it seems the EU have not recognized that yet. The UK was giving way to the EU from the outset of these "negotiations". And look at how well Cameron got on with the EU when he asked for a few things before the referendum - hopeless after 3 years - if the EU had compromised then, then there probably wouldn't have been a referendum! 

 

The WA is punitive to the UK and shows few compromises from the EU. It looks like they will not change it now but I hope they can relent, so that a sensible deal can be done. 

 

 

[joecoolfrog]

11 hours ago, potless said:

I dont need any credibility to state an opinion. I am not the Governor of the Bank of England making periodic negative statements.

Pretty much every industrialist and economist is making exactly the same statements. One can have blind faith and dismiss the overwhelming consensus as a huge conspiracy or one can be logical and take the warnings on board.

Its odd , when buying a new car or domestic appliance most sensible people read expert opinion and proceed accordingly.

Strangely though when it comes to the biggest decision for decades , huge amounts of people not only reject expert opinion , they seem to find resentment in it even being offered.

[AlexRich]

4 hours ago, johnnyonesock said:

money money business business money money...not one mention of the fact that 52% of the people that voted did so over their concern for the destruction of their culture, heritage, traditions,increasing crime rates,house prices skyrocketing,school places,NHS waiting lists etc etc...money money business business money money.

 

Yes, all nothing to do with the EU. 

They voted leave about things that a UK government created. Isn't it ironic?

 

Edited July 4, 2019 by AlexRich

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

A broad brush but incorrect. Most Brexiteers still here that were also on TV in 2016 did not expect a no problem Brexit. Far from it. We did not expect the EU to offer up such a crappy "deal" and then actually expect that it would be accepted, either!  

 

You were told in the debates that "they need us more than we need them" was bull scheid ... you were told during the debates that the Good Friday Agreement would be an issue ... you were told that you could not "have your cake and eat it" ... you called it "project fear"? 

 

And now you can't deal with that reality ... it's all the fault of the EU or remainer's who fail to "believe" enough?

 

Smiley face please ... what a joke!

 

 

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

You were told in the debates that "they need us more than we need them" was bull scheid ... you were told during the debates that the Good Friday Agreement would be an issue ... you were told that you could not "have your cake and eat it" ... you called it "project fear"? 

 

And now you can't deal with that reality ... it's all the fault of the EU or remainer's who fail to "believe" enough?

 

Smiley face please ... what a joke!

 

 

Looks like someone had a good evening. 

[aright]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Yes, Brexiters did not expect that their country would be treated just like any other nation that was not a member of the EU. What they expected was so much favoritism that it would make remaining in the EU a comparatively bad deal. This was explained over and over to Brexiters but to no avail.

We expected to be treated, as outlined by Article 7 of the Lisbon Treaty...…...

 “The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.” 

The EU chose asperity over cooperation for which they will pay a high diplomatic and moral cost in the future, accused of bullying and displaying a chronic inability to coexist with nearby countries.

Remainers played a part in this, aiding and abetting a Union which neither has the tools or the will to protect it's power. Look at voting patterns. 

 

 

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, aright said:

We expected to be treated, as outlined by Article 7 of the Lisbon Treaty...…...

 “The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.” 

The EU chose asperity over cooperation for which they will pay a high diplomatic and moral cost in the future, accused of bullying and displaying a chronic inability to coexist with nearby countries.

Remainers played a part in this, aiding and abetting a Union which neither has the tools or the will to protect it's power. Look at voting patterns. 

 

 

 

 

So what? UK has not been treated in a worst way than Norway or Switzerland. Actually rather better. Sorry, your Brexiter's fairy tale did not come true.

It seems to be a reccurent Brexiter's pattern to always put the blame on others.

[aright]

11 minutes ago, candide said:

So what? UK has not been treated in a worst way than Norway or Switzerland. Actually rather better. Sorry, your Brexiter's fairy tale did not come true.

It seems to be a reccurent Brexiter's pattern to always put the blame on others.

That's because the EU and Remainers have no respect for democracy or treaties and because the UK, Norway and Switzerland were treated badly in your eyes that's ok then...….your preferred way of life. 

Life can be a Fairy Tale or a Horror Story but to see it you must open your eyes.

 

[Enki]

21 hours ago, jesimps said:

The current state of the UK finances are down to the remainers causing chaos over Brexit. If they'd just accepted the democratic result of the referendum and got behind the country, then we wouldn't be in this mess. It's all down to the remain traitors and that excuse for a manager of the BoE, who isn't even British.

There was no referendum.

There was a "poll" ... aka an "opinion poll" ... might make sense to learn the difference.

[Enki]

12 hours ago, AlexRich said:

12 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

The point is that Brexit and the prospect of no deal adds greatly to GBP’s fall against the Baht, if the decision had been to Remain then GBP would still be lower against the Baht, but at a much higher level than it is today.

The Bath is gaining against all currencies because of the laws forcing foreigners to deposit 400k/600k depending on visa.

The GBP is losing against all currencies because of BREXIT and foreign countries/companies moving out of GB.  

So you poor britts are in a lose/lose situation.

Edited July 4, 2019 by Enki

[nkg]

1 hour ago, Enki said:

There was no referendum.

There was a "poll" ... aka an "opinion poll" ... might make sense to learn the difference.

 

Don't be silly.

 

From www.gov.uk (the UK government's website):

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/topical-events/eu-referendum

 

 

Quote

 

EU referendum (Archived)

Organisations:

    Prime Minister's Office, 10 Downing Street and Cabinet Office

On Thursday 23 June 2016 the EU referendum took place and the people of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union.

This page contains government information on the EU referendum. No material was published on this page between 27 May and 23 June 2016, in line with the restrictions set out in the Political Parties, Elections and Referendum Act 2000.

 

 

That was just the first link I found.

 

Edited July 4, 2019 by nkg
Brexit

[nkg]

1 hour ago, Enki said:

The Bath is gaining against all currencies because of the laws forcing foreigners to deposit 400k/600k depending on visa.

The GBP is losing against all currencies because of BREXIT and foreign countries/companies moving out of GB.  

So you poor britts are in a lose/lose situation.

 

Ha ha ha, yes I'm sure that's the reason ????

 

Let's imagine there are 500,000 expats with 400,000 baht of visa deposits in the bank (a wild overestimation). That's a total of 200 billion baht, or about $6.5 billion USD.

 

However, Thai foreign reserves are currently over $200 billion USD - 30 times the exaggerated sum we just calculated for expat visa deposits.

 

Imaginative theory though, please keep those crazy economic fantasies coming ????

 

 

 

Edited July 4, 2019 by nkg
Brexit

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Enki said:

The Bath is gaining against all currencies because of the laws forcing foreigners to deposit 400k/600k depending on visa.

The GBP is losing against all currencies because of BREXIT and foreign countries/companies moving out of GB.  

So you poor britts are in a lose/lose situation.

What a riot. So funny.

[potless]

11 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

Pretty much every industrialist and economist is making exactly the same statements. One can have blind faith and dismiss the overwhelming consensus as a huge conspiracy or one can be logical and take the warnings on board.

Its odd , when buying a new car or domestic appliance most sensible people read expert opinion and proceed accordingly.

Strangely though when it comes to the biggest decision for decades , huge amounts of people not only reject expert opinion , they seem to find resentment in it even being offered.

Thanks for your reply. Its Carney's opinions that I mistrust. Industrialist opinions are worth listening to and I give them far more credence. I would never buy a new model of car. I preferred a car 3 years old to give time for inherent faults to manifest themselves. {parallels with Brexit ?} I have no resentments with the opinions of others, expert or not, but reserve the right to rebuff or be rebuffed. On the thread "Johnson warns E.U. against any Napoleonic tariffs in no deal Brexit" I asked why existing trade agreements negotiated via the E.U. could not simply be replicated. A couple of forum members kindly went to some lengths to explain why that could not be easily done. I thanked them and learned something.The U.K. will have to reinvent itself and that could take decades although Germany and Japan managed it okay. Do I have any confidence in the U.K. government to take the U.K. forward after Brexit? No I dont. Not until they walk the walk. At the moment, they dont even seem to know where the path is or where it leads. Unfortunateley neither do I.

 

[7by7]

16 hours ago, nauseus said:

Looks like someone had a good evening. 

Looks like, as ever, someone simply cannot face the truth that not only was he was lied to by Elliot and Cummings, he was foolish enough to believe those lies!

[7by7]

16 hours ago, AlexRich said:

21 hours ago, johnnyonesock said:

money money business business money money...not one mention of the fact that 52% of the people that voted did so over their concern for the destruction of their culture, heritage, traditions,increasing crime rates,house prices skyrocketing,school places,NHS waiting lists etc etc...money money business business money money.

 

Yes, all nothing to do with the EU. 

They voted leave about things that a UK government created. Isn't it ironic?

 They voted for these reasons because both the official and unofficial leave campaigns concentrated on them; even though they knew such issues had nothing to do with the EU and leaving would not solve them.

 

When remain campaigners tied to debate the possible economic realities of leaving, they were simply labelled 'Project Fear.'

 

What's remarkable is that three years later there are people who still believe the BS they were fed.

[Nobbie49]

At least some middle class Thais might get chance to holiday in the UK and realise that not all Brits are tattooed, beer swilling  loud mouth whoring yobs. #letslookatsome positives

You ARE joking right?


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