illegally fined on tourist visa, accept as thainess?

[at15]

The police showed up at my residence today and notified the landlord that 5 months ago when i arrived at the apartment they did not report my whereabouts within 24 hours. Initially the police are asking the landlord for the fine of 1600 baht like they should. But they discuss it and the landlord does not want to pay because I am a farang who they assume is rich of course and its no problem for me. The police agree with the landlord I must pay because we have to take care of Thai people. So its either swallow my pride and pay or lose face with landlord that has been nothing but good to me. If i refuse to pay would this be a possible deportation ? 

[Orton Rd]

Pay it and read the TM30 threads, nothing illegal about it

[marcusarelus]

When you got a residency certificate didn't you report your location?

[Dnyy]

Your landlord failed to report you and agrees with the police that you have to pay. How is that being good to you?

[BritManToo]

If your landlord didn't notify them ....... how did the police know you were there?

[at15]

5 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Pay it and read the TM30 threads, nothing illegal about it

i am a tourist and have stayed here for years never doing a tm30 once. i mean hell 50% of the time the reception does not even ask for my passport. its the responsibility of the hotel/apartment to do this stuff for tourists.  

[at15]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

If your landlord didn't notify them ....... how did the police know you were there?

extending a tourist visa at immigration you have to write down your address

[scubascuba3]

Landlord should pay. As a gesture of goodwill offer to pay half otherwise Immigration will charge you next time you go. Landlord sounds like a dick, find a new place

 

 

[ukrules]

3 minutes ago, at15 said:

extending a tourist visa at immigration you have to write down your address

There's also the arrival form you fill in at the airport.

 

If they're matching these up and going back in time to check which property owners have registered tourists then they're going to be very busy for the next few years.

[at15]

 

7 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Landlord should pay. As a gesture of goodwill offer to pay half otherwise Immigration will charge you next time you go. Landlord sounds like a dick, find a new place

 

 

this is what im thinking, paying half is an acceptable resolution. the landlord is not a dick, extremely kind and helpful. you have to understand thai culture, they would not thing this is wrong at all. its like a child who does not know right from wrong, you cannot punish them for that. 

[Briggsy]

What province is this in? 

 

This is a banana republic, no rule of law here. If the cops say you pay, then you pay. Unless you have clout through connections. Do you?

 

Rule of thumb : Solve police problems here at the first possible instance, through cash if required.

[scubascuba3]

 

this is what im thinking, paying half is an acceptable resolution. the landlord is not a dick, extremely kind and helpful. you have to understand thai culture, they would not thing this is wrong at all. its like a child who does not know right from wrong, you cannot punish them for that. 

My landlord does my TM30 online, that's a good landlord not your one. Maybe if your landlord is punished by paying the fine he'll get his act together? if you pay maybe he'll learn nothing

 

[GroupA]

18 minutes ago, at15 said:

i am a tourist and have stayed here for years never doing a tm30 once. i mean hell 50% of the time the reception does not even ask for my passport. its the responsibility of the hotel/apartment to do this stuff for tourists.  

Paying the TM 30 fine might be the least of your worries if you are on a tourist visa for years. Tourist are being turned down for the same reasons. I think you might be on another kind of visa.

[Zikomat]

10 minutes ago, at15 said:

 

this is what im thinking, paying half is an acceptable resolution. the landlord is not a dick, extremely kind and helpful. you have to understand thai culture, they would not thing this is wrong at all. its like a child who does not know right from wrong, you cannot punish them for that. 

Try to pay your landlord less rental next month. Let's say, 1000 thb less. Then see "the child" in action. 

[DavisH]

9 minutes ago, at15 said:

 

this is what im thinking, paying half is an acceptable resolution. the landlord is not a dick, extremely kind and helpful. you have to understand thai culture, they would not thing this is wrong at all. its like a child who does not know right from wrong, you cannot punish them for that. 

What's Thai culture got to do with it? It's the responsibility of the house/condo owner to report their foreugn residents. They are the ones who should pay the fine. "You are rich farang, you must pay" is a cop out. I can almost guarantee that your landlord has more money / assets than you do. What's going to happen is that is is going to be more and more difficult for foreigners to rent in Thailand as their landlords would rather not bother with the paperwork and will not like to pay any fines occurred (as you can see). 

 

[fishtank]

Why would you pay because your landlord broke the law?

Bizare.

[eisfeld]

Since you are staying here long time, I assume you are renting long term. That means you could be seen as the house master and therefor liable to report your stay at the residence. Hence you could be fined instead of the owner/landlord. Just saying this could be, I don't know all the specifics of your case.

[fishtank]

17 minutes ago, at15 said:

 

this is what im thinking, paying half is an acceptable resolution. the landlord is not a dick, extremely kind and helpful. you have to understand thai culture, they would not thing this is wrong at all. its like a child who does not know right from wrong, you cannot punish them for that. 

Why not? It was the dick's responsibility to follow the law.

Not yours.

[Dnyy]

Just now, fishtank said:

Why would you pay because your landlord broke the law?

Bizare.

Because he is romanticizing. Thinking of Thais like little Hobbits who are never doing anything wrong on purpose with a childish attitude.

[fishtank]

Just now, Dnyy said:

Because he is romanticizing. Thinking of Thais like little Hobbits who are never doing anything wrong on purpose with a childish attitude.

Yep. They know exactly what they are doing.

[at15]

you guys do not understand the thai perspective. if foreigners were not allowed to rent apartments/condos then the landlords would not even be dealing with me right now. for them i should be lucky i am even allowed to enter the kingdom. following the law is all well and good for thai people but i am not thai. this conversation is between an alien and a thai, of course the alien must take fault. initially i was upset but have cooled down and will try to pay half. 

[Zikomat]

When a Thai person says to Farang that he must pay for smth. because he (farang) is supposedly a rich person - it is just a subtle and flattering way to say - pay because this is my territory and you are a stranger here. Never such an attitude should be accepted as normal. And it has nothing to do with naivety of any kind.

[GroupA]

38 minutes ago, at15 said:

i am a tourist and have stayed here for years never doing a tm30 once. i mean hell 50% of the time the reception does not even ask for my passport. its the responsibility of the hotel/apartment to do this stuff for tourists.  

Are you just renting a room in his house or an apartment? 

[fishtank]

5 minutes ago, at15 said:

you guys do not understand the thai perspective. if foreigners were not allowed to rent apartments/condos then the landlords would not even be dealing with me right now. for them i should be lucky i am even allowed to enter the kingdom. following the law is all well and good for thai people but i am not thai. this conversation is between an alien and a thai, of course the alien must take fault. initially i was upset but have cooled down and will try to pay half. 

Wacky to say the least.

I think we do understand Thais. Better than you do anyway,.

[humbug]

if they say your landlord didnt report your stay 5 months ago, and you stayed at this place for years on tourist visas, could it be that the local police who check condos etc every day/week, noted you in the system from your copy passport from the condo office, and checked with immigration, for other things, then knew you werent reported 5 months ago, i mean if they start checking everyone like this, they will need to hire 10,000 more people, its like looking for a needle in a haystack, it just looks somehow you caught the short straw

 

as to the thai landlord/ thai culture nonsense, you also exist, you werent here on this planet to serve under the oh mighty thai culture, which is mainly indian/aryan in its origins

[GeorgeCross]

pay the fine then tell the landlord you are leaving.

 

with a big smile of course. the thais like smiling..

 

then move out, you are a westerner not a doormat.

 

 

 

 

[AverageBloke]

23 minutes ago, at15 said:

you guys do not understand the thai perspective. if foreigners were not allowed to rent apartments/condos then the landlords would not even be dealing with me right now. for them i should be lucky i am even allowed to enter the kingdom. following the law is all well and good for thai people but i am not thai. this conversation is between an alien and a thai, of course the alien must take fault. initially i was upset but have cooled down and will try to pay half. 

If you don't allow people to take responsibility for their own actions you are actually doing them a disservice in the long run. How do people learn to advocate for themselves if it's always someone else's fault? 

[reefsurfah]

Just pay it and move out/on.  Lesson learned.  Doubt the landlord will change unless you move out.  Even then, sometimes people never change unless it hits their pockets.

[elviajero]

2 hours ago, at15 said:

So its either swallow my pride and pay or lose face with landlord that has been nothing but good to me. If i refuse to pay would this be a possible deportation ? 

No you cannot be deported. BUT they can add 200 baht for everyday the fine is unpaid.

 

If you are renting — ‘tourist’ visa status or not — you can be considered the Possessor (tenant) of the property and can legally be fined. Effectively either you or the landlord can be fined.

 

I suggest you pay up and move! 

[dcnx]

1 hour ago, at15 said:

 you have to understand thai culture, they would not thing this is wrong at all. its like a child who does not know right from wrong, you cannot punish them for that. 

You’re perfect for this place. Did you wai everyone when it was all over?