6 hours ago, evadgib said:

Foreign Secretary goes East to seize economic opportunities of South East Asia

Great spin.

 

Seize implies they are there waiting to be grabbed and the foreign secretary is ready to do so. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Loiner said:

The EU barrier is to making our own trade deals until after we have left.
Don’t worry about your struggle, because you are usually confused about everything.

Looks like you have to wait for your super trade deals 2 years more. LOL

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7303103/Boris-Johnson-hints-UK-remain-EU-single-market-customs-union-2021.html

4 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Looks like you have to wait for your super trade deals 2 years more. LOL

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7303103/Boris-Johnson-hints-UK-remain-EU-single-market-customs-union-2021.html

Johnson, come the circus, come the clown. 

 

As I repeatedly caution Brexiteers, don't mistake Johnson's words for his actions, he'll do whatever is best for Johnson. 

2 hours ago, MobileContent said:

A free trade agreement brings the UK nothing even after Brexit because the UK has nothing to offer more except a service industry and the finance sector

Exactly. And that's currently the sector other countries usually don't want to open. In the deals negotiated by the EU, it has been the most difficult part to get accepted by partner countries. The EU needed a lot of pressure and time to get them to open their service sector. The EU is currently the first exporter of services.

"In 2017, the EU exports of services to non-member countries increased to EUR 912 billion with United Kingdom recording the highest value (EUR 185 billion).

In 2017, the EU imports of services from non-member countries increased to EUR 721 billion with Germany recording the highest value (EUR 136 billion)."

 

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Having spent much of the past 30 years working in SE Asia for a UK based business, I'm struggling to understand what you are on about. 

 

The  EU has never been a barrier to the UK doing international business, in SE Asia or anywhere else - far from it. 

Spot on.  I have spent the last 28 years working for my own (small) UK based business in China, South East Asia and India and being in the EU has never been a barrier to that.  Importing into the UK, Europe and the USA.

And how about Johnson hinting that we could be in the single market and customs union for another couple of years when visiting Wales yesterday.????????????.

 

Waiting for the blustering denial any time soon.  What a pillock he is

1 minute ago, dunroaming said:

And how about Johnson hinting that we could be in the single market and customs union for another couple of years when visiting Wales yesterday.????????????.

 

Waiting for the blustering denial any time soon.  What a pillock he is

He says whatever he believes his audience want to hear. 

Meanwhile...

International Trade Secretary Liz Truss meets with New Zealand Minister for Trade and Export Growth

 

And here's a bonus:

Kazakh-British joint venture to explore a series of partially studied reserves

7 hours ago, damascase said:

Do you really think that the UK will be able to get better deals than the EU?

yes

10 minutes ago, kingdong said:

yes

Freed from EU's bureaucracy, the UK should be able to comply with US demands - its biggest ally - Huawei, to begin with?

18 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Meanwhile...

International Trade Secretary Liz Truss meets with New Zealand Minister for Trade and Export Growth

 

And here's a bonus:

Kazakh-British joint venture to explore a series of partially studied reserves

PR from the government.

 

 

I guess Britain's FS doesn't realize that their pensioner expats are bailing from Thailand due to the shrinking value of the GBP and very strong baht, so importing British goods won't be necessary. Perhaps he should focus only on the other 9 nations planned for this trip. 

8 hours ago, damascase said:

Do you really think that the UK will be able to get better deals than the EU?

Yes..

 

Here's why..

 

There was a sale on in Robinson's store the other week for Union Jack cushions and also the US Star Spangled Banner cushions and guess what..

 

..All the union jack cushions were sold except for 2 pieces and all the USA flag cushions were still there in stock and UNSOLD...

 

..and the EU cushion covers were nowhere to be found even!

 

So there! 

 

????

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

PR from the government.

From the horses mouth ie before the left wing remainer outlets are able to adversely spin to suit their agenda.

On 7/31/2019 at 12:38 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Having spent much of the past 30 years working in SE Asia for a UK based business, I'm struggling to understand what you are on about. 

 

The  EU has never been a barrier to the UK doing international business, in SE Asia or anywhere else - far from it. 

 

I guess he's referring to the Brexiter dislike for the EU doing deals which all member states benefit from and use; and that member states cannot do deals independently.

 

Brexiters believe the UK on it's own will be able to negotiation better trade deals with non EU nations than the EU does.

 

The fantastic success in negotiating Brexit is testimony to the skill, competence and effectiveness of Tory negotiators!

 

No doubt Tories and their cronies will do well personally out of any deals. 

34 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I guess he's referring to the Brexiter dislike for the EU doing deals which all member states benefit from and use; and that member states cannot do deals independently.

 

Brexiters believe the UK on it's own will be able to negotiation better trade deals with non EU nations than the EU does.

 

The fantastic success in negotiating Brexit is testimony to the skill, competence and effectiveness of Tory negotiators!

 

No doubt Tories and their cronies will do well personally out of any deals. 

I guess he's referring to the Brexiter dislike for the EU doing deals which all member states benefit from and use;

 

So why does the EU (and to be fair, the UK) govts. have such an allergy to coming up with a UK/EU trade deal?

4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I guess he's referring to the Brexiter dislike for the EU doing deals which all member states benefit from and use;

 

So why does the EU (and to be fair, the UK) govts. have such an allergy to coming up with a UK/EU trade deal?

As has been explained repeatedly, the EU doesn't want to give the UK a deal which gives it too many benefits for too little in return. There are other European countries that have struck deals with the EU. But the UK rejects those models. 

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

As has been explained repeatedly, the EU doesn't want to give the UK a deal which gives it too many benefits for too little in return. There are other European countries that have struck deals with the EU. But the UK rejects those models. 

Fair enough, to a small extent - but the EU/UK govts. for some obscure (????) reason haven't even started negotiating a trade deal!

 

Surely something that is most important to everyone.

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

Fair enough, to a small extent - but the EU/UK govts. for some obscure (????) reason haven't even started negotiating a trade deal!

 

Surely something that is most important to everyone.

Well, the EU has always been very clear about its red lines. And has stuck to them. For some reason, Teresa May et alii just refused to believe them. I remember before the referendum when it was commonly believed by Brexiters that, for example, Germany would fold because of its car exports. As if Germany could fold on its own. But there is this persistent belief among most Brexiters that Germany pulls the strings in the EU.

What Germany does is simply veto changes in EU rules and laws that it doesn't approve of. This kind of power is not peculiar to Germany but shared by all member nations.

27 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

So why does the EU (and to be fair, the UK) govts. have such an allergy to coming up with a UK/EU trade deal?

Because if the UK leaves, the EU will be finished (no money).

They either frighten us into staying, or are effectively committing suicide.

 

It's like your Thai gf threatening to jump off the balcony if you don't stay with her.

She sees no other option.

 

To be fair I understand the EUs POV, I wouldn't let the UK leave either.

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I guess he's referring to the Brexiter dislike for the EU doing deals which all member states benefit from and use; and that member states cannot do deals independently.

 

Brexiters believe the UK on it's own will be able to negotiation better trade deals with non EU nations than the EU does.

 

The fantastic success in negotiating Brexit is testimony to the skill, competence and effectiveness of Tory negotiators!

 

No doubt Tories and their cronies will do well personally out of any deals. 

Guess again Bro. Seems you and Chomps have the same comprehension issue. I was stating that the UK can't do deals with non EU countries until we've left the EU.

 

Disagree?

28 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

As has been explained repeatedly, the EU doesn't want to give the UK a deal which gives it too many benefits for too little in return. There are other European countries that have struck deals with the EU. But the UK rejects those models. 

Exactly. The EU prefers deals where it gets all the benefits and gives NOTHING in return. The Withdrawal agreement is an excellent example. 39 Billion for nothing. 

 

Unfortunately for them the soft touch Theresa has gone. Hope they had a good laugh and a few bottles of champagne after she had left the room having agreed to the surrender treaty because that party is well and truly over and the hangover is setting in. 

Today the Home Secretary has pledged another 2.1 billion pounds to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.  That on top of the 4 billion plus pounds already being spent.  This is to recruit hundreds of customs and border staff.  Apart from the fact that it is impossible to find, recruit and then train the staff by the end of October, why are we doing this?  According to Johnson it is a million to one that Britain will leave the EU with no deal.  If he is right and we do have a deal then all these new employees will be surplus to requirements.  Not to mention the 2.1 billion pounds we will have p*ssed away.

20 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Today the Home Secretary has pledged another 2.1 billion pounds to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.  That on top of the 4 billion plus pounds already being spent.  This is to recruit hundreds of customs and border staff.  Apart from the fact that it is impossible to find, recruit and then train the staff by the end of October, why are we doing this?  According to Johnson it is a million to one that Britain will leave the EU with no deal.  If he is right and we do have a deal then all these new employees will be surplus to requirements.  Not to mention the 2.1 billion pounds we will have p*ssed away.

Even if you have a deal, the UK will need extra Customs staff - unless you stay in the Customs Union. A Free Trade Agreement doesn’t imply free circulation of goods, so more checks are unavoidable.

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Exactly. The EU prefers deals where it gets all the benefits and gives NOTHING in return. The Withdrawal agreement is an excellent example. 39 Billion for nothing. 

Snip

This has already been explained here 1000 times

 

The “divorce bill” was agreed upon together by both the UK and the EU as part of the withdrawal agreement negotiations, and the latest estimates suggest it will be just under £40 billion . It covers the UK’s outstanding financial commitments and liabilities to the EU, including annual contributions to the EU budget up to 2020

50 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Apart from the fact that it is impossible to find, recruit and then train the staff by the end of October,

I'd sign up.

The way the pound is going I'll need a job soon.

52 minutes ago, damascase said:

Even if you have a deal, the UK will need extra Customs staff - unless you stay in the Customs Union. A Free Trade Agreement doesn’t imply free circulation of goods, so more checks are unavoidable.

I should clarify that it is now announced that some of that 2.1 billion is to stockpile medicine as well.  Something Johnson and his boys dismissed as project fear.

 

Part of the original 4 billion pounds from Hammond was to strengthen the border forces and customs officials and that was in anticipation of a deal being agreed.  This money is specifically for a no-deal scenario.

  According to Johnson it is a million to one that Britain will leave the EU with no deal.

It’s been a roll over for the past three years and we will hit the jackpot on 31st Oct.
No Deal.

This has already been explained here 1000 times
 
The “divorce bill” was agreed upon together by both the UK and the EU as part of the withdrawal agreement negotiations, and the latest estimates suggest it will be just under £40 billion . It covers the UK’s outstanding financial commitments and liabilities to the EU, including annual contributions to the EU budget up to 2020

1001 times:
Your Merkel/May Surrender Treaty was not agreed by Parliament, three times. You have no WAG, the one which tried to trick us into 39 Bn
We owe nowt.

This has already been explained here 1000 times
 
The “divorce bill” was agreed upon together by both the UK and the EU as part of the withdrawal agreement negotiations, and the latest estimates suggest it will be just under £40 billion . It covers the UK’s outstanding financial commitments and liabilities to the EU, including annual contributions to the EU budget up to 2020

1001 times:
Your Merkel/May Surrender Treaty was not agreed by Parliament, three times. You have no WAG, the one which tried to trick us into 39 Bn
We owe nowt.