Trump says it's up to China to deal with Hong Kong 'riots'

[snoop1130]

Trump says it's up to China to deal with Hong Kong 'riots'

 

U.S. President Donald Trump pauses during an address at a campaign rally in Cincinnati, Ohio. U.S., August 1, 2019. REUTERS/Bryan Woolston

 

HONG KONG (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump has described protests in Hong Kong as “riots” that China will have to deal with itself, signaling a hands-off approach to the biggest political crisis gripping the former British colony in decades.

 

Millions have taken to the streets in the past three months to protest against an extradition bill that would have allowed people to be sent to mainland China for trial in courts controlled by the Communist Party.

 

The protests are the most serious political crisis in Hong Kong since it returned to China 22 years ago. They also pose the greatest popular challenge to Chinese leader Xi Jinping since he came to power in 2012 and come as Xi already grapples with a Sino-U.S. trade war and tensions in the South China Sea.

 

Some activists have waved the U.S. flag during the demonstrations, while Beijing has accused U.S. officials of being behind the violent chaos and warned against interference.

 

Trump was asked by reporters before leaving for a campaign event in Ohio on Thursday whether he was concerned by media reports that China might intervene in Hong Kong and said the city had experienced “riots for a long period of time”.

 

“Hong Kong is a part of China, they’ll have to deal with that themselves,” he said.

 

Trump’s labeling of the demonstrations as riots is certain to rile activists in the Asian financial center who have called on the city’s government to drop the use of the word to describe the protests.

 

On Wednesday, 44 people were charged with rioting for their role in one recent protest that turned violent when thousands of activists clashed with police near Beijing’s main representative office in the city.

 

Rioting is defined under Hong Kong law as an unlawful assembly of three or more people where any person commits a breach of the peace. A conviction can carry a 10-year prison sentence.

 

Trump said earlier this month he believed Xi had acted responsibly with the Hong Kong protests and that “China could stop them if they wanted”.

 

Thousands of civil servants are planning to rally on Friday night in support of the protesters and to urge authorities to rebuild confidence in the government, with more demonstrations planned for the weekend.

 

What started out as protests against the extradition bill have evolved into a broader backlash against the Hong Kong government and its political master in Beijing.

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-08-02

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[Tug]

Atta boy Donald throw another group of people yearning for democracy under the bus just another way Donald betrays American ideals 

[mikebike]

"Atta boy Donald throw another group of people yearning for democracy under the bus just another way Donald betrays American ideals "

 

Why in God's name would this be ANY business of the USA? HK has nothing to do with America.

 

Besides, all the protesters parents have houses in San Fran, L.A., NYC, Toronto, London or Van anyway... 

 

Or should the USA go to war with China over HK? Cummon really? Did you learn nada from Korea or Vietnam?

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

U.S. President Donald Trump has described protests in Hong Kong as “riots” that China will have to deal with itself, signaling a hands-off approach to the biggest political crisis gripping the former British colony in decades.

Idiot. 

[Tayaout]

HK don't have oil otherwise they would need some democracy bomb. 

[Opl]

34 minutes ago, mikebike said:

"Atta boy Donald throw another group of people yearning for democracy under the bus just another way Donald betrays American ideals "

 

Why in God's name would this be ANY business of the USA? HK has nothing to do with America.

 

Besides, all the protesters parents have houses in San Fran, L.A., NYC, Toronto, London or Van anyway... 

 

Or should the USA go to war with China over HK? Cummon really? Did you learn nada from Korea or Vietnam?

You're absolutely right, Trump is not the Leader of the Free World. 

[manarak]

there are good chances the CIA has its fingers in that mess anyway.

I expect the CIA to have many assets there.

 

it would make sense, to annoy China and keep them busy, eroding their political capital and if something bad happens, it would make China's political ambitions in SE Asia more difficult.

[JHolmesJr]

Sounds like Trump is doing the right thing....not his business....he has better things to focus on.....

like getting china to make a deal, not pissing them off like Obama doubtless would with one of his MLK 

the speeches at the UN

[Guitarzan]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Atta boy Donald throw another group of people yearning for democracy under the bus just another way Donald betrays American ideals 

What do you expect him to do.... invade China?

[Traubert]

1 hour ago, manarak said:

there are good chances the CIA has its fingers in that mess anyway.

I expect the CIA to have many assets there.

 

it would make sense, to annoy China and keep them busy, eroding their political capital and if something bad happens, it would make China's political ambitions in SE Asia more difficult.

You don't say? You mean they might be painting targets on the kids backs?

 

Surely not.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, mikebike said:

"Atta boy Donald throw another group of people yearning for democracy under the bus just another way Donald betrays American ideals "

 

Why in God's name would this be ANY business of the USA? HK has nothing to do with America.

 

Besides, all the protesters parents have houses in San Fran, L.A., NYC, Toronto, London or Van anyway... 

 

Or should the USA go to war with China over HK? Cummon really? Did you learn nada from Korea or Vietnam?

HK has nothing to do with America.  It's just a place where people don't want to live under a repressive government where rule of party supersedes rule of law.  Why would the US want to support people like that.

 

"Besides, all the protesters parents have houses in San Fran, L.A., NYC, Toronto, London or Van anyway..."

 

All of them?  Please provide your proof of that.  I suspect that if these protesters were buying condos in Trump Tower and memberships at Mar-a-Lago Trump would be much more supportive of their cause.

 

2 hours ago, manarak said:

there are good chances the CIA has its fingers in that mess anyway.

I expect the CIA to have many assets there.

 

it would make sense, to annoy China and keep them busy, eroding their political capital and if something bad happens, it would make China's political ambitions in SE Asia more difficult.

Right... It's all the CIA's fault.  There's no way the people of Hong Kong are capable of thinking for themselves, is there?

 

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

Sounds like Trump is doing the right thing....not his business....he has better things to focus on.....

like getting china to make a deal, not pissing them off like Obama doubtless would with one of his MLK 

the speeches at the UN

Doing the right thing by throwing people who want to be free under the bus.  Got it.

 

54 minutes ago, Guitarzan said:

What do you expect him to do.... invade China?

There are options short of invasion.  We aren't supportive of the governments of Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, etc., but we haven't invaded them.

Edited August 2, 2019 by heybruce

[Guitarzan]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

HK has nothing to do with America.  It's just a place where people don't want to live under a repressive government where rule of party supersedes rule of law.  Why would the US want to support people like that.

 

"Besides, all the protesters parents have houses in San Fran, L.A., NYC, Toronto, London or Van anyway..."

 

All of them?  Please provide your proof of that.  I suspect that if these protesters were buying condos in Trump Tower and memberships at Mar-a-Lago Trump would be much more supportive of their cause.

 

Right... It's all the CIA's fault.  There's no way the people of Hong Kong are capable of thinking for themselves, is there?

 

Doing the right thing by throwing people who want to be free under the bus.  Got it.

 

There are options short of invasion.  We aren't supportive of the governments of Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, etc., but we haven't invaded them.

 

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

There are options short of invasion.  We aren't supportive of the governments of Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, etc., but we haven't invaded them

Trump just sold 90 fighter jets to Taiwan. He is negotiating to have formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan, which pisses off China to no end. The US sends it’s air craft carriers through the South China Sea, Trump just raised tariffs.  He is strengthening ties with Taiwan, Japan, and North Korea. If the democrats would lighten up on the Russian crap he might be able to make an alliance with Russia.

 

with everyone one of these protests China looses credibility in the world. In addition to what Trump is doing what more would you suggest he do?

[heybruce]

21 minutes ago, Guitarzan said:

 

Trump just sold 90 fighter jets to Taiwan. He is negotiating to have formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan, which pisses off China to no end. The US sends it’s air craft carriers through the South China Sea, Trump just raised tariffs.  He is strengthening ties with Taiwan, Japan, and North Korea. If the democrats would lighten up on the Russian crap he might be able to make an alliance with Russia.

 

with everyone one of these protests China looses credibility in the world. In addition to what Trump is doing what more would you suggest he do?

How about telling China to honor its handover agreement with Hong Kong?

 

" Hong Kong was a colony of the United Kingdom, ruled by a governor for 156 years from 1841 (except for four years of Japanese occupation during WWII) until 1997, when it was returned to Chinese sovereignty. China had to accept some conditions, stipulated in the Sino-British Joint Declaration, such as the drafting and adoption of Hong Kong's mini-constitution before its return. The Basic Law ensured Hong Kong will retain its capitalist economic system and own currency (the Hong Kong Dollar), legal system, legislative system, and people's rights and freedom for fifty years, as a special administrative region (SAR) of China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

[manarak]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

Right... It's all the CIA's fault.  There's no way the people of Hong Kong are capable of thinking for themselves, is there?

why "fault" ?

I think it's a legitimate action. the people of Hong Kong can certainly think for themselves, this doesn't mean they were/are not helped in their struggle by the CIA and other services, I guess the MI6 has a strong presence there too.

[Tug]

4 hours ago, Guitarzan said:

What do you expect him to do.... invade China?

Of course not but as an American you should voice support for democracy as potus Donald should do the same no more no less it is not a call to invade 

[dimitriv]

1 hour ago, manarak said:

why "fault" ?

I think it's a legitimate action. the people of Hong Kong can certainly think for themselves, this doesn't mean they were/are not helped in their struggle by the CIA and other services, I guess the MI6 has a strong presence there too.

"I think"

"I guess"

 

Do you have any prove about the CIA and MI6 involved here ?

 

[Guitarzan]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

How about telling China to honor its handover agreement with Hong Kong?

 

" Hong Kong was a colony of the United Kingdom, ruled by a governor for 156 years from 1841 (except for four years of Japanese occupation during WWII) until 1997, when it was returned to Chinese sovereignty. China had to accept some conditions, stipulated in the Sino-British Joint Declaration, such as the drafting and adoption of Hong Kong's mini-constitution before its return. The Basic Law ensured Hong Kong will retain its capitalist economic system and own currency (the Hong Kong Dollar), legal system, legislative system, and people's rights and freedom for fifty years, as a special administrative region (SAR) of China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

So that’s it. Trump just tells China what to do. Brilliant idea!

[Uptooyoo]

11 hours ago, Tug said:

Atta boy Donald throw another group of people yearning for democracy under the bus just another way Donald betrays American ideals 

To guys like 'the Donald,' profits trump freedom.

Edited August 3, 2019 by Uptooyoo

[beavenlen]

What the f--- has Hong Kong got to do with Trump and US. i always thought HK was a British colony. or did i miss a few decades somewhere.

[Johnnyngai]

13 hours ago, mikebike said:

"Atta boy Donald throw another group of people yearning for democracy under the bus just another way Donald betrays American ideals "

 

Why in God's name would this be ANY business of the USA? HK has nothing to do with America.

 

Besides, all the protesters parents have houses in San Fran, L.A., NYC, Toronto, London or Van anyway... 

 

Or should the USA go to war with China over HK? Cummon really? Did you learn nada from Korea or Vietnam?

" Besides, all the protesters parents have houses in San Fran, L.A., NYC, Toronto, London or Van anyway... "

 

Wow they are so filthy rich ?  

[Johnnyngai]

9 hours ago, Guitarzan said:

 

Trump just sold 90 fighter jets to Taiwan. He is negotiating to have formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan, which pisses off China to no end. The US sends it’s air craft carriers through the South China Sea, Trump just raised tariffs.  He is strengthening ties with Taiwan, Japan, and North Korea. If the democrats would lighten up on the Russian crap he might be able to make an alliance with Russia.

 

with everyone one of these protests China looses credibility in the world. In addition to what Trump is doing what more would you suggest he do?

Communist dictatorships care about credibility ?  

[lannarebirth]

2 hours ago, Uptooyoo said:

To guys like 'the Donald,' profits trump freedom.

His ego trumps freedom.

[lannarebirth]

2 hours ago, beavenlen said:

What the f--- has Hong Kong got to do with Trump and US. i always thought HK was a British colony. or did i miss a few decades somewhere.

We have plundered the national treasury in order to bring democracy to the World (purportedly). A few supportive words for those about to lose their's to a dictatorship would have cost nothing and might have created some global goodwill. Goodwill is a foreign concept to Trump I will admit.

 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2019 by lannarebirth

[evadgib]

Quote

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said:

"I was very pleased to meet State Councillor Wang Yi in Bangkok today in the margins of the ASEAN foreign ministers meeting.

The UK and China have an important and constructive partnership, which we want to build on. We have a strong economic relationship. We work together as permanent members of the UN Security Council, and today discussed shared areas of concern such as the Iran nuclear deal and North Korea’s recent missile launches.

Equally, we are clear and candid when we disagree. On Hong Kong, I underlined that the UK and China have a joint and legal commitment to the freedoms enshrined in the Joint Declaration, and that while we deplore any violence, peaceful protest is a basic right and should be respected".

Foreign Secretary meets China State Councillor in Beijing

Edited August 3, 2019 by evadgib

[Opl]

Just now, lannarebirth said:

We have plundered the national treasury in order to bring democracy to the World (puportedly). A few supportive words for those about to lose their's to a dictatorship would have cost nothing and might have created some global goodwill. Goodwill is a foreign concept to Trump I will admit.

Actually I very doubt Trump support would do any good to the cause.     

[atyclb]

some cry foul when other countries meddle or allegedly get involved with usa politics yet seem to be upset when usa/trump does not get involved in another countries politics.

[rickudon]

Yes, Hong Kong is nothing to do with USA. Trump could have just said - 'respect your treaty obligations and allow democratic demonstrations'. Instead he practically gave China the go ahead to crush dissent in Hong Kong. Very nice.

[JulesMad]

13 hours ago, heybruce said:

There are options short of invasion.  We aren't supportive of the governments of Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, etc., but we haven't invaded them.

...yet...

[rickudon]

No, but what about Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan. They got invaded. I would agree that Afghanistan deserved it, but it didn't make it absolutely necessary, It didn't achieve much, except kill a lot of people and waste a lot of money.

 

Oh, forgot, Cuba was invaded. Just didn't work out all that well either.

[JHolmesJr]

48 minutes ago, rickudon said:

Yes, Hong Kong is nothing to do with USA. Trump could have just said - 'respect your treaty obligations and allow democratic demonstrations'. Instead he practically gave China the go ahead to crush dissent in Hong Kong. Very nice.

 

Rubbish....if he had scolded China, all the anti trumpers would have jumped on him saying that he

has ruined any chance of a deal with China with his big mouth. He's done exactly what I hoped he would...

if anyone should be protesting to China it should be the UK, but they don't seem to care either.