Democrats condemn Trump, white nationalism after two mass shootings

[Hogs]

1 hour ago, newnative said:

   No one is taking away your 'gun'.  That will never happen in America.   But, do you need a high-capacity assault rifle?  Do you need high-capacity magazines?  Do you need bullets that will pierce police protective vests?  Do you need to own 20 guns when you only have 2 hands?  Most gun control advocates are only looking for a little sanity with the gun laws--and having a difficult time just with that.  

YES TO ALL THE ABOVE 

It is my right under the constitution and as long as I do not break the law I should be able to own as MANY guns as I wish as well as ammo and anything else that i can legally own.

Once start chipping away that chipping never ends until it is all chipped away.

 

[Hogs]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

A start would be outlawing (not just preventing new sales of) automatic weapons, assault rifles and such...

 

No law abiding American needs to have those kinds of weapons for hunting, personal protection or any other legitimate reason.

 

However, it's in large part all the "law abiding" gun owners you're talking about, and the politicians they support, that have allowed these kinds of mass shootings to occur by opposing at every step of the way any reasonable version of gun controls.

 

In a different America, if these would-be mass killers only could get a knife or a regular handgun, they simply could not inflict the kind of mass deaths and casualties in very brief periods of time that are occurring here.

 

First at least educate yourself before taking a stand because when you do not you post silly comments like AUTOMATIC WEAPONS 

If you have even the slightest clue you would already know Automatic Weapons are illegal and cannot be purchased legally anywhere in the USA by anyone and are reserved for Military use only.

 

[White Christmas13]

 

2019 mass shootings: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 3 249

[Hogs]

1 minute ago, White Christmas13 said:

 

2019 mass shootings: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 3 249

Have you for one for Knife Murders ??? 

38 Killed in just one mass murder knife attack in Juming china and then we can talk about the HUGE Murder rate in London from Knives which is spreading across the UK and overtook the Murder rate in NEW YORK at one point (and they have guns)

Time to ban knives I think 

This BS narrative trying to make out it is just the USA with murder problems 

Also love all these stats which do not take into account the size of the population which again makes it look worse than it really is.

[Nigel Garvie]

44 minutes ago, Thaifriends said:

Most armed nation on the earth are Swiss. Are they mountain Cow Boys?

Problem is not to have weapon for self defence but frustration among youths. Some have higher courage to do bad things and some have less. Both end up in jail. By the way majority of US jails are filled with blacks and Latinos.

No wrong. The Swiss have 27.6 guns per 100 people and the US 120.5 per 100 people. The Swiss homicide rate is around 3 per 100,000 people, similar to Austria, less than Finland and nothing remotely like the US at 10.2. The "Swiss deflection" is a standard NRA line and utter BS. Try reading up on Swiss guns ownership, the Swiss have Army rifles at home because they have national military service, and remain reservists until their early 30s.  

 

" By the way majority of US jails are filled with blacks and Latinos." ............I can't avoid the feeling that it gives you some pleasure writing this. The fact is that if you go back to for example the 1930s, you would find that almost all the prison population in the UK were white males. What did they have in common with todays prison population in the UK and indeed the US. Answer they were mainly uneducated, poor people, who were committing crimes out of desperation. Claims of a causal link between ethnicity and crime (When other factors have been eliminated)  have been comprehensively debunked by social scientists.

[DoktorC]

13 minutes ago, Hogs said:

First at least educate yourself before taking a stand because when you do not you post silly comments like AUTOMATIC WEAPONS 

If you have even the slightest clue you would already know Automatic Weapons are illegal and cannot be purchased legally anywhere in the USA by anyone and are reserved for Military use only.

 

You should take your own advice before chastising others.   Fully-automatic weapons manufactured before 1986 are legal to own in the US, provided you have a Class 2 permit issued by Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.

 

Since you don't have a clue, pleas refrain from posting fake news and stop pretending that you know something.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

What on earth are you on about?

 

Drink some coffee before posting maybe?

Here's what you wrote:

"Very often the same lot calling for a ban on guns are the same lot who want drug liberalization. Go figure."

You actually believe that decriminalizing currently illicit drugs is going to raise the level of violence? Don't you understand that wars over the control of illicit drugs fuels violence not just in the USA but around the world? If drugs were decriminalized, their price would be cheap, and wars over their control would be pointless.

[TopDeadSenter]

Absolute disgrace seeing the democrats using these tragedies to play politics. Is there no depths they will not sink to? (Rhetorical question) clearly there is no limit.

 I have concerns over the wildly different ways these horrific attacks are treated. It seems bizarre to be told for eg. to “hug an ak47 owner” change Facebook profiles to “je Suis an ak47 owner” etc, and then other perpetrators get a round vilification and calls for banning everything in sight in a huge knee jerk reaction. Totally senseless.

 As always, RIP to the deceased and Godspeed to the injured , hope for swift recoveries.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, Hogs said:

Have you for one for Knife Murders ??? 

38 Killed in just one mass murder knife attack in Juming china and then we can talk about the HUGE Murder rate in London from Knives which is spreading across the UK and overtook the Murder rate in NEW YORK at one point (and they have guns)

Time to ban knives I think 

This BS narrative trying to make out it is just the USA with murder problems 

Also love all these stats which do not take into account the size of the population which again makes it look worse than it really is.

But... but.. but... whatabout!

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

A start would be outlawing (not just preventing new sales of) automatic weapons, assault rifles and such...

 

No law abiding American needs to have those kinds of weapons for hunting, personal protection or any other legitimate reason.

 

However, it's in large part all the "law abiding" gun owners you're talking about, and the politicians they support, that have allowed these kinds of mass shootings to occur by opposing at every step of the way any reasonable version of gun controls.

 

In a different America, if these would-be mass killers only could get a knife or a regular handgun, they simply could not inflict the kind of mass deaths and casualties in very brief periods of time that are occurring here.

 

Think of how many lives would be saved if we lowered the speed limit on freeways to 40 MPH, we have no need to drive 80 MPH.

[DoktorC]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But... but.. but... whatabout!

IKR..... it's difficult for them to keep focused on the real problem....

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Absolute disgrace seeing the democrats using these tragedies to play politics. Is there no depths they will not sink to? (Rhetorical question) clearly there is no limit.

 I have concerns over the wildly different ways these horrific attacks are treated. It seems bizarre to be told for eg. to “hug an ak47 owner” change Facebook profiles to “je Suis an ak47 owner” etc, and then other perpetrators get a round vilification and calls for banning everything in sight in a huge knee jerk reaction. Totally senseless.

 As always, RIP to the deceased and Godspeed to the injured , hope for swift recoveries.

 

 

The killer’s manifesto makes it very clear his motives where political and aligned with the anti immigrant hate baiting coming out of Trump.

 

And here you are complaining about this being politicised.

[Yinn]

20 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

 

2019 mass shootings: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 3 249

A mass killing is 4+ people.

How many the USA do in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.

 

i think more than 249 every year?

 

why the USA like killing so much? Why are they different so much? 

Because religion?

[DoktorC]

27 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Think of how many lives would be saved if we lowered the speed limit on freeways to 40 MPH, we have no need to drive 80 MPH.

Think how many lives were saved when we required the use of seat belts in cars, re-engineered cars to make accidents more survivable, or helmets when riding motorcycles.  Imagine what we could do if we limited the availability of assault-like firearms.  

Edited August 5, 2019 by DoktorC

[Nigel Garvie]

26 minutes ago, Hogs said:

This BS narrative trying to make out it is just the USA with murder problems 
Also love all these stats which do not take into account the size of the population which again makes it look worse than it really is.

"Also love all these stats which do not take into account the size of the population". Chomps has already posted one of "All these stats" that DOES take into account the size of the population. I have posted roughly the same one below which I got from a different source. See that bit at the bottom where it says Deaths per 100,000 population. Need I say more...........?

Edited August 5, 2019 by Nigel Garvie
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[GalaxyMan]

10 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Think of how many lives would be saved if we lowered the speed limit on freeways to 40 MPH, we have no need to drive 80 MPH.

What good would that do? Nobody pays any attention to the speed limits anyway, they just drive as fast, or slow, as they feel like driving. The biggest joke is that people seem to think that laws mean something here. They're only selectively applied after the fact.

[bristolboy]

50 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

I am not American,but even i know there were far more mass shootings under"saint" Obhama.

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And like a lot of things you claim to know utterly false. The year with the most mass killings and injuries under Obama there were 206 victims. This year under Trump there are already 195. Last year there were 233. The year before that 712. And there a higher total of seprate incidents in both full years under Trump than in any year under Obama.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#2013

Apart from that, your post is totally correct.

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, DoktorC said:

Think how many lives were saved when we required the use of seat belts in cars or helmets when riding motorcycles.  Imagine what we could do if we limited the availability of assault-like firearms.  

How many lives are lost due to illegal drugs. Well, if they're illegal how do folks acquire them? Before we know it owning a rock will be illegal.

[bristolboy]

7 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

"Also love all these stats which do not take into account the size of the population". Chomps has already posted one of "All these stats" that DOES take into account the size of the population. I have posted roughly the same one below which I got from a different source. See that bit at the bottom where it says Deaths per 100,000 population. Need I say more...........?

Actually, you could say a little bit more. Link, please?

[Lucius verus]

It always seems to be the poorer  people demographic who are vulnerable to US gun crime and natural disasters ie tornado's and floods.

Never heard of Wall st bankers or the residents of The Hamptons,Bedford or Martha's Vineyard getting blown away or flooded out of their homes.

The only exception being JFK and RFK.

I doubt if the Democraps or the Rebsate really any different.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

18 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 

 As always, RIP to the deceased and Godspeed to the injured , hope for swift recoveries.

 

 

"As always" being your key words there. Nice thoughts.... Except, you failed to mention the part where you and others like you would do absolutely nothing to actually prevent the NEXT one and ones from happening.

 

No meaningful gun controls. No increased background checks prior to gun ownership, no nothing. Just lots of graves and funeral flowers, time after time. So your comment about "as always" was very apropos.

[Jingthing]

It always seems to be the poorer  people demographic who are vulnerable to US gun crime and natural disasters ie tornado's and floods.
Never heard of Wall st bankers or the residents of The Hamptons,Bedford or Martha's Vineyard getting blown away or flooded out of their homes.
The only exception being JFK and RFK.
I doubt if the Democraps or the Rebsate really any different.

That isn't really true about mass shooting victims.

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[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

How many lives are lost due to illegal drugs. Well, if they're illegal how do folks acquire them? Before we know it owning a rock will be illegal.

But... but.. but...

 

[Nigel Garvie]

14 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, you could say a little bit more. Link, please?

No problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

No problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Thanks

[DoktorC]

 

17 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

How many lives are lost due to illegal drugs. Well, if they're illegal how do folks acquire them? Before we know it owning a rock will be illegal.

Maybe you didn't know, but owning "rock" is illegal.  Hint for you rock cocaine.... there I linked your drugs and your non-sequitur together for you.

[bristolboy]

20 minutes ago, Lucius verus said:

It always seems to be the poorer  people demographic who are vulnerable to US gun crime and natural disasters ie tornado's and floods.

Never heard of Wall st bankers or the residents of The Hamptons,Bedford or Martha's Vineyard getting blown away or flooded out of their homes.

The only exception being JFK and RFK.

I doubt if the Democraps or the Rebsate really any different.

Where aren't the poor more vulnerable?

[rvaviator]

"Also love all these stats which do not take into account the size of the population". Chomps has already posted one of "All these stats" that DOES take into account the size of the population. I have posted roughly the same one below which I got from a different source. See that bit at the bottom where it says Deaths per 100,000 population. Need I say more...........?

On a side note to this it would have been interesting to know at what time of the year the suicides happens in the Nordic countries ... Maybe during the dark winter months ..


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[bendejo]

5 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

If only someone was talking about the fear that stems from a society based upon scarcity rather than abundance. About automation and the distortions, displacements and disaffectedness it will is bringing about. If only someone were offering solutions that put humanity first and that bridges the chasm that this 4th Industrial revolution is causing.

It could be argued that a step in that direction is the universal basic income US candidate Yang proposes. 

On the other hand the US is leaving the business of exporting agricultural products and DT is giving the farmers billions to sustain them.  Is this the beginning of a derelict class?  Notice you hear of NO GOP hand-wringing about "where is the money coming from?" which is their usual outrage.  Even if he gets removed from the WH it's not like agricultural trade is going to return to what it was, at least not quickly.

So yeah, society needs less workers, so what to do with those people who aren't needed?

 

There is a sci-fi book called Beggars in Spain (lousy title, it involves neither of those things) by Nancy Kress.  (sci-fi as in Brave New World, as opposed to, say, Star Wars)  In the near future the socio-economic order in the US is you can decide not to work, and the gov't will support you sufficiently but not opulently, or you can chose an education and go on to have a profession, pursue business and wealth, up to you.  Those who do not work spend their days taking intoxicants  and screwing.  (sound like Pattaya?)

 

 

Edited August 5, 2019 by bendejo

[Jingthing]

It could be argued that a step in that direction is the universal basic income US candidate Yang proposes. 
On the other hand with the US leaving the business of exporting agricultural products and DT giving the farmers billions to sustain them is this the beginning of a derelict class?  Notice you hear of NO GOP hand-wringing about "where is the money coming from?" which is their usual outrage.  Even if he gets removed from the WH it's not like agricultural trade is going to return to what it was.
So yeah, society needs less workers, so what to do with those people who aren't needed?
 
There is a sci-fi book called Beggars in Spain (lousy title, it involves neither of those things) by Nancy Kress.  (sci-fi as in Brave New World, as opposed to, say, Star Wars)
In the near future the socio-economic order in the US is you can decide not to work, and the gov't will support you sufficiently but not opulently, or you can chose an education and go on to have a profession, pursue wealth, up to you.  Those who do not work spend their days taking intoxicants  and screwing.  (sound like Pattaya?)
 
 

Yang is ahead of his time.

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