No-deal Brexit will be stopped, Hammond says

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, zorrow424 said:

Seems a lot of Irish here quoting the usual dribble,    Its over,get over it.  The backstop was a marvellous achievement ,and after all not only the Telegraph giving them (Irish) the "useful idiots" tag

    So it proved to be,good result,but please keep typing,lot of Irish in there  lol

Irish? I can honestly say that I have never set foot in Ireland. Bejasus an' all an' all. 555

[nauseus]

53 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Hi Danny - good to see you back - that 'march' was a good laugh though - but don't worry Tommy will be out soon with a huge bag of coke paid for by his patriot supporters and he will lead them into the promised land line by sniffin' line. Obviously this pic needs a bit of tippex to do the dream justice. 

 

Sounds more like you at the Domestos again.

[DannyCarlton]

9 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

I said nothing of the sort  its the Irish coming out of you !!!  post 196

 

555 sorry. don't know how that happened, your name on someone else's post. More likely one of them bloody pink unicorns! 555

[beautifulthailand99]

5 hours ago, aright said:

Good point!

The general rule in a democracy is that the winning side in a vote gets its way and the losers accept the result.

Anything else isn't democracy.

From the "thick as mince man himself" so you should be able to understand it...

 

[baboon]

5 hours ago, aright said:

Good point!

The general rule in a democracy is that the winning side in a vote gets its way and the losers accept the result.

Anything else isn't democracy.

Brexit is about as far removed from the general rule as is possible. We now have a deeply polarised country, families not speaking to one another and come what may, animosity for years to come. 

Oh, and the prospect of the United Kingdom being dismantled. 

How would you propose we move on? How to address these complex problems? Or don't you care and prefer to bellow slogans?

[damascase]

10 hours ago, nauseus said:

We know the destination. We've been there before. 

Ohh, but you wouldn’t recognize it anymore - it is a totally diffeent world now........

[beautifulthailand99]

They're Welsh and they are angry that you are f&&ing with their sheep... The taffs though were mental for voting Leave as they are big EU subsidy junkies - a hard Brexit will really screw them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meibion_Glyndŵr

 

Edited August 17, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[Loiner]

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166879/Brexit-News-update-latest-Philip-Hammond-David-Cameron-no-deal

 

So was the earlier advice from Hammond just a slip of the tongue?

 

[aright]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

Brexit is about as far removed from the general rule as is possible. We now have a deeply polarised country, families not speaking to one another and come what may, animosity for years to come. 

Oh, and the prospect of the United Kingdom being dismantled. 

How would you propose we move on? How to address these complex problems? Or don't you care and prefer to bellow slogans?

The general rule I cited refers to democracy. Your observations refer to social and political problems which exist in many democratic countries not going through Brexit. Try looking at the activities of Gilet Jaunes for starters. 

Upholding democracy is not a slogan it's a set of principles.

The cure for so called problems with democracy wouldn't exist if Remainers observed the general rule , as opposed to the resolution of problems within the undemocratic EU, which is more undemocratic EU.

I think I know where your bed is.

Edited August 17, 2019 by aright

[Credo]

5 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

From the "thick as mince man himself" so you should be able to understand it...

 

So, that would mean you leave the EU and then you decide whether or not you want to rejoin?

 

[beautifulthailand99]

7 minutes ago, Credo said:

So, that would mean you leave the EU and then you decide whether or not you want to rejoin.

 

We need properly costed options before executing a plan not hearsay and back of fag packet calculations , pickled with lies and dark manipulations. Now we have a much clearer vision of what Brexit would mean what is wrong with putting it back yo the British people. If all you Leavers think it is a popular as you seem to think then you have nothing to worry about.  

[aright]

39 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

We need properly costed options before executing a plan not hearsay and back of fag packet calculations , pickled with lies and dark manipulations. Now we have a much clearer vision of what Brexit would mean what is wrong with putting it back yo the British people. If all you Leavers think it is a popular as you seem to think then you have nothing to worry about.  

If we follow your tenuous logic any democratic election is rendered null and void shortly  afterwards because, more information is known, the people didn't understand what they were voting for, it wasn't clear what kind of socialism/far left conservatism they were voting for etc, etc.

Most downhill ski races are won by tenths of seconds but the winner still wins. The losers don't turn round and say  ah but you only won by a small amount, so lets do it again. Your argument is not only invalid it's adolescent as well. A theme I have noticed with Remainers in general.

 

 

 

 

[DannyCarlton]

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166879/Brexit-News-update-latest-Philip-Hammond-David-Cameron-no-deal

 

So was the earlier advice from Hammond just a slip of the tongue?

 

Good post. It just shows how duplicitous Tory politicians can be. Same as Boris voting for May's deal.

[DannyCarlton]

3 hours ago, aright said:

The general rule I cited refers to democracy. Your observations refer to social and political problems which exist in many democratic countries not going through Brexit. Try looking at the activities of Gilet Jaunes for starters. 

Upholding democracy is not a slogan it's a set of principles.

The cure for so called problems with democracy wouldn't exist if Remainers observed the general rule , as opposed to the resolution of problems within the undemocratic EU, which is more undemocratic EU.

I think I know where your bed is.

In the UK the overriding democracy is parliamentary democracy. Parliament voted 3 times on the May deal and I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes 4 in the near future.

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, aright said:

If we follow your tenuous logic any democratic election is rendered null and void shortly  afterwards because, more information is known, the people didn't understand what they were voting for, it wasn't clear what kind of socialism/far left conservatism they were voting for etc, etc.

Unfortunately, your logic isn't just tenuous, it's completely flawed. It wasn't a democratic election, it was an advisory referendum. Very different.

 

And yes, a general election can be re-run if the outcome isn't clear. February 1974 and October 1974, a lot less than 3 years.

 

 

Edited August 17, 2019 by DannyCarlton

[aright]

24 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Unfortunately, your logic isn't just tenuous, it's completely flawed. It wasn't a democratic election, it was an advisory referendum. Very different.

 

And yes, a general election can be re-run if the outcome isn't clear. February 1974 and October 1974, a lot less than 3 years.

 

 

It was a democratic referendum where much was promised.

See my post 158 "Broken Brexit Promises" where it was clearly stated by Remainers what Brexit meant. Can you show me a link where the PM said it was advisory?

[bannork]

2 hours ago, aright said:

If we follow your tenuous logic any democratic election is rendered null and void shortly  afterwards because, more information is known, the people didn't understand what they were voting for, it wasn't clear what kind of socialism/far left conservatism they were voting for etc, etc.

Most downhill ski races are won by tenths of seconds but the winner still wins. The losers don't turn round and say  ah but you only won by a small amount, so lets do it again. Your argument is not only invalid it's adolescent as well. A theme I have noticed with Remainers in general.

 

 

 

 

We are not talking about a ski race, we're talking about the economic future of a nation.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, aright said:

It was a democratic referendum where much was promised.

See my post 158 "Broken Brexit Promises" where it was clearly stated by Remainers what Brexit meant. Can you show me a link where the PM said it was advisory?

Promises don't pay the bills. Promises from political parties have no weight in British law. If it did, most British politicians throught history would have been locked up. In America, Trump would now be serving a thousand life sentences. Extremely naive for anyone to expect a politician to keep his promise.

 

By British law the referendum was advisory. GB is a parliamentary democracy, which is why, after the referendum, parliament needed to vote to invoke Article 50. If it had been voted down, that would have been the end of it. Nothing you, or any other howling Brexiteer, could have done about it. Parliament has voted 3 times on May's deal, parliamentary democracy, why not twice on a referendum? Nothing much changed between the votes on May's deal, a great deal has changed since the referendum, 3 years ago.

[zorrow424]

Now it is all finished,the banter that is (hopefully).    Boris set out to do what the gormless May was unable to do,get the UK out of the EU,and he did it magnificently    

  Why he has to go to Paris is unfortunate,especially after calling the french turds,still meeting the dwarf and his ancient ailing wife may put a bit of fizz to upcoming events

[vogie]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

Good post. It just shows how duplicitous Tory politicians can be. Same as Boris voting for May's deal.

There are many remainers that are duplicitous also. ????????

 

Someone who is duplicitous is almost like two people, saying one thing but then doing something very different, even contradictory. Someone who is duplicitous can also be called "two-faced," a vivid way to remember that this person shouldn't be trusted or taken at face value.

[DannyCarlton]

24 minutes ago, vogie said:

There are many remainers that are duplicitous also. ????????

 

Someone who is duplicitous is almost like two people, saying one thing but then doing something very different, even contradictory. Someone who is duplicitous can also be called "two-faced," a vivid way to remember that this person shouldn't be trusted or taken at face value.

You've lost me there (not for the first time). Have another coffee.

[Laughing Gravy]

Hopefully Hammond will deselected like all those others who got into office, on a promised manifesto, then decides it doesn't suit their agenda.

Edited August 18, 2019 by Laughing Gravy

[transam]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

You've lost me there (not for the first time). Have another coffee.

I thought you were continuously lost.....????

[vinny41]

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Here was I thinking Cameron was a Remainer!

 

Why can't any of you find someone from Vote.Leave talking about trading on WTO terms during the campaign?

 

Answer, because they didn't!

Dominic Grieve & Phillip Hammond's Lies Exposed Over Claims A WTO Brexit Was Not Discussed In 2016

 

 

Most people I know would have listened to both sides before they  their Voted

[sandyf]

14 hours ago, aright said:

Good point!

The general rule in a democracy is that the winning side in a vote gets its way and the losers accept the result.

Anything else isn't democracy.

More garbage.

In your fantasy democracy, jurors have never voted the wrong way.

[DannyCarlton]

4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Dominic Grieve & Phillip Hammond's Lies Exposed Over Claims A WTO Brexit Was Not Discussed In 2016

 

 

Most people I know would have listened to both sides before they  their Voted

As it has already been pointed out, only remainers brought this issue up in the run up to the referendum. They were dismissed as "project fear" by howling Brexiteers aided by Cambridge Analitical, AIQ and The St. Petersburg Troll Farm.

 

It's now become "project reality".

[bannork]

2 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

Now it is all finished,the banter that is (hopefully).    Boris set out to do what the gormless May was unable to do,get the UK out of the EU,and he did it magnificently    

  Why he has to go to Paris is unfortunate,especially after calling the french turds,still meeting the dwarf and his ancient ailing wife may put a bit of fizz to upcoming events

Are you planning to go on holiday again soon?

[transam]

17 minutes ago, bannork said:

Are you planning to go on holiday again soon?

Not to France......????

[bannork]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Not to France......????

 

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Not to France......????

I thought you would like Edith Piaf, 'Non, je ne regrette rien'.

[zorrow424]

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

 

I thought you would like Edith Piaf, 'Non, je ne regrette rien'.

_{Jeanne Moreau    My favourite by far     Two years dead now}