China's State Council calls for Shenzhen integration with Hong Kong, Macau

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China's State Council calls for Shenzhen integration with Hong Kong, Macau

 

Chinese paramilitary vehicles are parked at the Shenzhen Bay Sports Center in Shenzhen near the border with Hong Kong, China August 18, 2019. REUTERS/Martin Pollard

 

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China's State Council has called for greater development of the southern city of Shenzhen and the integration of its culture and economy with neighbouring Hong Kong and Macau.

 

The directive comes as anti-government protests in Hong Kong threaten the status of the Asian financial hub.

 

Hong Kong, one of the world's busiest ports, is on the verge of its first recession in a decade as violent anti-government protests scare off tourists and bite into retail sales and investment.

 

The State Council 19-point directive, published in state-media outlet People's Daily, calls for Shenzhen's "economic strength and development" to rank among the best in the world by 2025, and a "global benchmark" by the middle of the century.

 

In the 1990s, market-oriented reforms and government support transformed Shenzhen from an ordinary Chinese village to a major hub for China's manufacturing and technology sectors.

 

The city now houses the global headquarters for Tencent, China's social media giant, and Huawei, the networking equipment maker that U.S. President Donald Trump effectively barred U.S. companies from supplying.

 

The directive called for the "modernisation of social governance" in Shenzhen via the "comprehensive application of big data, cloud computing, artificial intelligence and other technologies."

 

It called for the integration of the culture and economy of Shenzhen with Hong Kong and Macao via funding for hospitals, joint disaster relief efforts and cultural exchanges, and to further develop the Hong Kong-Macao Greater Bay Area and "enrich the new practice of the 'one country, two systems' policy."

 

Hong Kong returned from British to Chinese rule in 1997 under a "one country, two systems" formula that promised wide-ranging freedoms denied to citizens in mainland China, but many in the city believe Beijing has been eroding those freedoms.

 

Hong Kong's protests started as opposition to a now-suspended extradition bill to mainland China and have swelled into wider calls for democracy.

 

Last week China's paramilitary forces carried out exercises outside of a major sports stadium in Shenzhen, sparking speculation that they may be used in Hong Kong.

 

(Reporting by Josh Horwitz; Editing by Michael Perry)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-08-19

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[thaibeachlovers]

34 minutes ago, webfact said:

Hong Kong returned from British to Chinese rule in 1997 under a "one country, two systems" formula that promised wide-ranging freedoms denied to citizens in mainland China, but many in the city believe Beijing has been eroding those freedoms.

Did anyone actually believe that China wouldn't renege on that agreement? No wonder anyone with sense is looking to escape to another country.

[Colonel Klink]

Did anyone actually believe that China wouldn't renege on that agreement? No wonder anyone with sense is looking to escape to another country.

Can you advise what freedoms China has taken from HK citizens?


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[Geoffggi]

Hong Kong will never agree

[JAG]

9 minutes ago, Geoffggi said:

Hong Kong will never agree

Sadly, at the end of the day, they will have no choice!

 

If the Chinese can transfer the activities of Hong Kong, and the economic benefits it brings to China, to Shenzhen, then they will turn the lights out.

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, JAG said:

Sadly, at the end of the day, they will have no choice!

 

If the Chinese can transfer the activities of Hong Kong, and the economic benefits it brings to China, to Shenzhen, then they will turn the lights out.

But a big reason for Hong Kong's stature in the world of commerce is precisely because it plays by a different set of rules than does China.

[ThomasThBKK]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

But a big reason for Hong Kong's stature in the world of commerce is precisely because it plays by a different set of rules than does China.

Yeah Taiwan will also be toast if China takes that over too...good for singapore finance i guess and other SEA countries in terms of manufacturing.

[727Sky]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/13/u-s-intelligence-positions-hong-kong-as-proxy-conflict-with-china-thankfully-president-trump-sees-trap/#more-168200

 

Quote

Do we feel sympathy watching a once free society slip into the grips of an oppressive and totalitarian system now ruled by a communist dictator for life in Chairman Xi Jinping?  Sure we do.  But they made these choices decades ago… now they have the consequences.
If Hong Kong tries to resist Beijing, they will be crushed.  Hundreds more will be arrested and disappeared.  Thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, will be killed.  There is already a ongoing flight of wealth out of Hong Kong as the smart and wealthy position their assets overseas to survive the arrival of Beijing’s storm troopers.
The future for Hong Kong is dark.  It is not going to end in anything resembling what exists today.  Hong Kong will be Beijing 2.0, and will be entirely dominated by Chinese authoritarian rule.  The difference in 2019 is the speed at which it is happening.
Things are speeding up now in direct proportion to the severity of the U.S. decoupling our economy from China.   As the Chinese economy weakens, Beijing will get more desperate.
Many voices around President Trump will cry out for intervention.  The UniParty will demand intervention and decry President Trump’s instinct to stay away from the self-made crisis.

When China got Hong Kong back in 1997 Hong Kong produced roughly 25% of China's GDP.. Now it is around 3% so China can take the gloves off without much damage to their total GDP. Anyone who thought China would abide by the agreed rules laid down by the 1997 transfer and let Hong Kong alone until 2047 was very myopic on world affairs and China in particular..

As far as a full blown war over Hong Kong IMO it will not happen so you can basically kiss The past Hong Kong goodbye once the Chinese communist make their move to settle things ... Do you think they will hesitate to kill and disappear hundreds and thousands of residents in Hong Kong ? I don't..

Good news is there will be many new organ donors so the prices should fall for new hearts, Kidneys, and Lungs coming out of China.(sarc)

[eddie61]

1 hour ago, JAG said:

Sadly, at the end of the day, they will have no choice!

 

If the Chinese can transfer the activities of Hong Kong, and the economic benefits it brings to China, to Shenzhen, then they will turn the lights out.

Everything but the legal system and individual rights. Those are the key issues that make HK attractive

Edited August 19, 2019 by eddie61
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[lubfishin]

5 hours ago, Colonel Klink said:

 

Can you advise what freedoms China has taken from HK citizens?


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The good people of Hong Kong were promised universal suffrage in the joint agreement with United Kingdom for one. That never happened. Rule of Law was enshrined in the constitution, they broke that one when they started kidnapping book sellers, professors, and activists. Should I continue?  Are you part of the Wu Mao army? Do you sympathize with the CCP? 

[malibukid]

2 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Yeah Taiwan will also be toast if China takes that over too...good for singapore finance i guess and other SEA countries in terms of manufacturing.

America will not let that happen

[tonbridgebrit]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Did anyone actually believe that China wouldn't renege on that agreement? No wonder anyone with sense is looking to escape to another country.

"Escape to another country" ??

How do people in Britain feel ? How about this ?
"Look, them Chinese in Hong Kong, we don't want them flooding into Britain. We already had a stack of Pakistanis and Indians leaving Uganda and turning up in Britain, ages ago. We don't want another invasion. They are an EX-British Empire place, why on earth should we let them into Britain ?".
"And anyway, we didn't take over an Empire, so that a bunch of foreigners can come to our shores".

Don't you reckon, lots of people in Britain feel this way ? So, the important thing is this, lots of people do feel "as long as they're not coming here, well, we don't really care".

Edited August 19, 2019 by tonbridgebrit

[tonbridgebrit]

1 hour ago, 727Sky said:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/13/u-s-intelligence-positions-hong-kong-as-proxy-conflict-with-china-thankfully-president-trump-sees-trap/#more-168200

 

When China got Hong Kong back in 1997 Hong Kong produced roughly 25% of China's GDP.. Now it is around 3% so China can take the gloves off without much damage to their total GDP. Anyone who thought China would abide by the agreed rules laid down by the 1997 transfer and let Hong Kong alone until 2047 was very myopic on world affairs and China in particular..

As far as a full blown war over Hong Kong IMO it will not happen so you can basically kiss The past Hong Kong goodbye once the Chinese communist make their move to settle things ... Do you think they will hesitate to kill and disappear hundreds and thousands of residents in Hong Kong ? I don't..

Good news is there will be many new organ donors so the prices should fall for new hearts, Kidneys, and Lungs coming out of China.(sarc)

Yeah, you're right, Hong Kong's economy has far less impact on China today, compared to previously.

Them kidneys, lungs and hearts coming out of mainland China. They're only usefull to Chinese who are in America and Europe. The body parts are useless to fahlang and all other races that are not Chinese. Do you really feel bad about how Chinese in America and Europe benefit from having the chance of getting new body parts from China ?

[Morch]

44 minutes ago, tonbridgebrit said:

"Escape to another country" ??

How do people in Britain feel ? How about this ?
"Look, them Chinese in Hong Kong, we don't want them flooding into Britain. We already had a stack of Pakistanis and Indians leaving Uganda and turning up in Britain, ages ago. We don't want another invasion. They are an EX-British Empire place, why on earth should we let them into Britain ?".
"And anyway, we didn't take over an Empire, so that a bunch of foreigners can come to our shores".

Don't you reckon, lots of people in Britain feel this way ? So, the important thing is this, lots of people do feel "as long as they're not coming here, well, we don't really care".

 

Another country doesn't necessarily imply the UK. As for how people in the UK feel about it - doubt you've got a clue, or that you "quote" is based on anything much. Try harder.

[tonbridgebrit]

26 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Another country doesn't necessarily imply the UK. As for how people in the UK feel about it - doubt you've got a clue, or that you "quote" is based on anything much. Try harder.

I'm in Britain, and you want to say that I don't know how lots of people in Britain feel ???
Look, we all know, about a third of all those who voted for Brexit, did so because, they saw lots of black people on boats, turning up in Italy. The attitude was "look, them black people turning up in Italy, they are going to move to Britain, we don't want them coloureds coming to Britain, we've got to get out of the European Union, that way, them black people who are in Italy right now, will not be able to enter Britain" .

Yes, you can go ahead and criticise people for being totally ridiculous. But you've got to accept, yes, lots of people in Britain feel this way. And yes, about a third of all those who voted for Brexit regarded that the stoppage of all new coloureds entering Britain was a major reason for leaving the EU. 

And them coloureds, a load of black people from Africa, a load of Chinese and Vietnamese from the Far East, lots of people in Britain feel that, they're all the same.

Edited August 19, 2019 by tonbridgebrit

[bristolboy]

58 minutes ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Yeah, you're right, Hong Kong's economy has far less impact on China today, compared to previously.

Them kidneys, lungs and hearts coming out of mainland China. They're only usefull to Chinese who are in America and Europe. The body parts are useless to fahlang and all other races that are not Chinese. Do you really feel bad about how Chinese in America and Europe benefit from having the chance of getting new body parts from China ?

Where did you ever come up with the racist notion that Chinese body parts are "only usefull to Chinese who are in America and Europe."

Effect of Race Upon Organ Donation and Recipient Survival in Liver Transplantation

In conclusion, this study has highlighted the low organ donation rate for livers noted in the black and Hispanic populations. It clearly demonstrates that there is no effect on transplant survival where an organ is transplanted between the races. Thus, race is not a factor in assessing whether a given recipient might benefit from a given donor organ

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2954674/

Race-Matching No Help in Heart Transplant Survival

https://www.medpagetoday.org/cardiology/hearttransplantation/20377?vpass=1

[tonbridgebrit]

16 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Where did you ever come up with the racist notion that Chinese body parts are "only usefull to Chinese who are in America and Europe."

 

Hello Bristolboy.
Thanks for putting up your post. Yes, in the world of medicine, people from different racial groups can accept body parts from people of other racial groups.

But we've got bear in mind, the trade in human body parts is illegal, and it is done by individuals who want to purchase body parts for themselves. Basically, you get somebody who is in America or Britain, the person is not Chinese, not of the Chinese race, and they are very likely to NOT want to purchase a heart or a kidney from a Chinese person. Yes, people who want to buy body parts, they usually only want body parts from those who are in the same race as themselves.
And surely, all, or the vast majority of the body parts leaving China, it's Chinese people in America and Europe who are buying the stuff ?

So, a man who is "Caucasian", it's likely that he's not going to want to buy a kidney or a lung from somebody who is from Bangladesh or China. If he is going to buy one, bearing in mind it's illegal, there's no government control, no medical board is controlling this, it's a black market, it's likely he wants it from another Caucasian man.

Edited August 19, 2019 by tonbridgebrit

[bristolboy]

9 minutes ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Hello Bristolboy.
Thanks for putting up your post. Yes, in the world of medicine, people from different racial groups can accept body parts from people of other racial groups.

But we've got bear in mind, the trade in human body parts is illegal, and it is done by individuals who want to purchase body parts for themselves. Basically, you get somebody who is in America or Britain, the person is not Chinese, not of the Chinese race, and they are very likely to NOT want to purchase a heart or a kidney from a Chinese person. Yes, people who want to buy body parts, they usually only want body parts from those who are in the same race as themselves.
And surely, all, or the vast majority of the body parts leaving China, it's Chinese people in America and Europe who are buying the stuff ?

So, a man who is "Caucasian", it's likely that he's not going to want to buy a kidney or a lung from somebody who is from Bangladesh or China. If he is going to buy one, bearing in mind it's illegal, there's no government control, no medical board is controlling this, it's a black market, it's likely he wants it from another Caucasian man.

First off, if someone is facing imminent death, they're probably not going to be so fussy about who they accept body parts from.

But of course this is all nonsensical since body parts currently can't survive long enough for most international trade. The recipients have to come to near where the donors are located.

 

[Srikcir]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

China's State Council calls for Shenzhen integration with Hong Kong, Macau

Would that be like China's "integration" of Tibet with China or The Kingdom of Thailand's "integration" of the Kingdom of Pattani with Thailand? 

[Traubert]

1 hour ago, lubfishin said:

The good people of Hong Kong were promised universal suffrage in the joint agreement with United Kingdom for one. That never happened. Rule of Law was enshrined in the constitution, they broke that one when they started kidnapping book sellers, professors, and activists. Should I continue?  Are you part of the Wu Mao army? Do you sympathize with the CCP? 

No, the good people of Hong Kong weren't promised universal suffrage. They were guaranteed the system that the British hastily set up in place of universal suffrage before they abandoned the good people of Hong Kong and still have it. You might ask yourself why, in 150 years of occupation, the British never put universal suffrage in place, after all, they managed to do it in much less time in New Zealand for instance.

 

Even Harvard doesn't believe in the Wu Mao army now. It was found to be nothing more than local government departments disseminating endless policy guff to look busy.

 

Don't continue with kidnapped booksellers. They were book smugglers caught in a warehouse in Shenzhen with a ton of banned publications selling them on the internet. Go and sell the Anarchist Cookbook online in your country and see what happens. Professors and activists? Do tell.

 

 

[Traubert]

4 hours ago, car720 said:

I can.  The knowledge of a free future.  Also they have taken all foreign currency out of circulation.

There was only two legal tender currencies in circulation in Hong Kong anyway since 1998, the HK dollar and the Chinese Yuan. If you're talking about Forex, as of ten days ago when I was last there, they're all over the city working diligently away.

[Traubert]

19 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Would that be like China's "integration" of Tibet with China or The Kingdom of Thailand's "integration" of the Kingdom of Pattani with Thailand? 

The idea of a 'supercity' across the Pearl River Delta has been on the table for about five years now. The first one was Chongqing, which incorporated five cities into one urban area. It's the worlds biggest city by population and no-one has ever heard of it outside China. Well, not since Bo Xilai got the boot, anyway.

 

What is significant for those Commie haters out there is that Chongqing is one of only four municipalities directly under control from Beijing. The others being Tianjin, Shanghai (or as I call it HK2) and unsurprisingly Beijing.

 

So even the western 'China Specialists' appear to have missed the innuendo there because they're still hooked up on 'Communism,' whereas China isn't.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

I'm in Britain, and you want to say that I don't know how lots of people in Britain feel ???
Look, we all know, about a third of all those who voted for Brexit, did so because, they saw lots of black people on boats, turning up in Italy. The attitude was "look, them black people turning up in Italy, they are going to move to Britain, we don't want them coloureds coming to Britain, we've got to get out of the European Union, that way, them black people who are in Italy right now, will not be able to enter Britain" .

Yes, you can go ahead and criticise people for being totally ridiculous. But you've got to accept, yes, lots of people in Britain feel this way. And yes, about a third of all those who voted for Brexit regarded that the stoppage of all new coloureds entering Britain was a major reason for leaving the EU. 

And them coloureds, a load of black people from Africa, a load of Chinese and Vietnamese from the Far East, lots of people in Britain feel that, they're all the same.

 

I don't really care where you claim to be. Considering you pretend to know "how lots of people" think with regard to multiple instances across various issues and countries, it doesn't amount to much anyway. So once more, allow me to doubt that this is much of an issue in the UK, or that you can substantiate your claims in any meaningful way.

 

And obviously, I haven't criticized "people for being totally ridiculous". That would require accepting your original ridiculous claim. 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Traubert said:

No, the good people of Hong Kong weren't promised universal suffrage. They were guaranteed the system that the British hastily set up in place of universal suffrage before they abandoned the good people of Hong Kong and still have it. You might ask yourself why, in 150 years of occupation, the British never put universal suffrage in place, after all, they managed to do it in much less time in New Zealand for instance.

 

Even Harvard doesn't believe in the Wu Mao army now. It was found to be nothing more than local government departments disseminating endless policy guff to look busy.

 

Don't continue with kidnapped booksellers. They were book smugglers caught in a warehouse in Shenzhen with a ton of banned publications selling them on the internet. Go and sell the Anarchist Cookbook online in your country and see what happens. Professors and activists? Do tell.

 

 

 

 

"Even Harvard doesn't believe in the Wu Mao army now. It was found to be nothing more than local government departments disseminating endless policy guff to look busy."

 

 

Not quite as you describe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

 

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Traubert said:

The idea of a 'supercity' across the Pearl River Delta has been on the table for about five years now. The first one was Chongqing, which incorporated five cities into one urban area. It's the worlds biggest city by population and no-one has ever heard of it outside China. Well, not since Bo Xilai got the boot, anyway.

 

What is significant for those Commie haters out there is that Chongqing is one of only four municipalities directly under control from Beijing. The others being Tianjin, Shanghai (or as I call it HK2) and unsurprisingly Beijing.

 

So even the western 'China Specialists' appear to have missed the innuendo there because they're still hooked up on 'Communism,' whereas China isn't.

 

None of what you posted is secret or unknown.

Considering the timing, it is but natural many reading this would have less "civic" associations in mind.

Deflect away.

[Redline]

15 hours ago, Colonel Klink said:

 

Can you advise what freedoms China has taken from HK citizens?


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It basically chose who could run for government office-do you remember?  

[Longcut]

20 hours ago, Colonel Klink said:

 

Can you advise what freedoms China has taken from HK citizens?


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The guarantee of due process..

[Longcut]

13 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Hello Bristolboy.
Thanks for putting up your post. Yes, in the world of medicine, people from different racial groups can accept body parts from people of other racial groups.

But we've got bear in mind, the trade in human body parts is illegal, and it is done by individuals who want to purchase body parts for themselves. Basically, you get somebody who is in America or Britain, the person is not Chinese, not of the Chinese race, and they are very likely to NOT want to purchase a heart or a kidney from a Chinese person. Yes, people who want to buy body parts, they usually only want body parts from those who are in the same race as themselves.
And surely, all, or the vast majority of the body parts leaving China, it's Chinese people in America and Europe who are buying the stuff ?

So, a man who is "Caucasian", it's likely that he's not going to want to buy a kidney or a lung from somebody who is from Bangladesh or China. If he is going to buy one, bearing in mind it's illegal, there's no government control, no medical board is controlling this, it's a black market, it's likely he wants it from another Caucasian man.

A lung from China probably wouldn't be much good anyway. Sort of like a lung from Chiang Mai. Who would want it after all the pollution took its toll?????????????

[tonbridgebrit]

13 hours ago, bristolboy said:

First off, if someone is facing imminent death, they're probably not going to be so fussy about who they accept body parts from.

But of course this is all nonsensical since body parts currently can't survive long enough for most international trade. The recipients have to come to near where the donors are located.

 

Okay, I'ill make you happier with a comment that is not nonsensical.
The men who are turning up in China, to buy body parts for themselves, just about every single one of them are ethnic Chinese. Body parts are never transported out of China. Men turn up in China, get the replacement body part fitted, and then fly out of China.

[Scott]

Let's get back to the topic.   I think body parts is getting a bit far-flung.