British PM Johnson says prepared to take Brexit talks down to last minute

[billd766]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

"British PM Johnson says prepared to take Brexit talks down to last minute"

 

 

What else can he say …..he is still hoping on a miracle ???? if not ...the chaos is all his to manage then 

The chaos that he inherited from the Remainer PM, Theresa May who lied from the first day by saying that the UK WOULD Brexit and that a no deal was better than a bad deal.

 

If she had DONE the job that she took on then Brexit would be over and done with. As it is she dragged it out slowly and painfully for the people of the UK for more than 3 years.

[Percy P]

2 hours ago, kamahele said:

Good luck with that. The UK has prospered hugely as a member of the EU. Also never assume that what the politicians tell you will come to fruition either concerning the those billions of pounds flowing back into the UK coffers and what it will be used for.

These MPs will be short lived with the next General Election. 

[sawadee1947]

24 minutes ago, Percy P said:

And what's your profession. Sawadee

What has my profession to do with my comment???? 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Parsve said:

This is solely a UK problem. You have signed an agreement and now don´t want to follow it. Why should EU help you out from this? Grow up UK.

An agreement was signed between Teresa May and the 27 countries of the EU. The 28th country which was the UK refused the agreement 3 times in parliament which means that there was NO agreement at all.

 

If it had been passed in parliament then yes, there would have been an agreement which the UK and the EU would be forced to follow.

 

But there wasn't.

[evadgib]

29 minutes ago, maitite said:

That's just bull <deleted>. But now you are being exposed to the public. Try to live with it, or not. 

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[DannyCarlton]

26 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

On the contrary, the Alternative Arrangements Commission have produced detailed proposals and are waiting for the EU side to respond.

As has been already pointed out to you The Alterntive Arranements Commision is a group of hard line Brexiteers whose proposals vis-a-vis the backstop have already been shown to be complete nonsense. They are not part of the Brexit negotiating team (same as Farage), and cannot put proposals to Brussels so don't expect a response from Brussels any time soon. Their sole raison d'etre is to feed B.S. to people like you.

[Rimmer]

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[david555]

21 minutes ago, billd766 said:

The chaos that he inherited from the Remainer PM, Theresa May who lied from the first day by saying that the UK WOULD Brexit and that a no deal was better than a bad deal.

 

If she had DONE the job that she took on then Brexit would be over and done with. As it is she dragged it out slowly and painfully for the people of the UK for more than 3 years.

Same same as coming both from the " catfight conservative party " it's your U.K. mess so clean it up a best way possible ,good luck.

[baansgr]

10 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Not true. 

 

You’ve had an agreement available to you for months now. 

How can it be an agreement if its not been agreed...a proposal is the fitting word which has been rejected

[Forethat]

2 minutes ago, baansgr said:

How can it be an agreement if its not been agreed...a proposal is the fitting word which has been rejected

The EU uses the word DRAFT Agreement. But you're right - it has never been approved by the UK Parliament and certainly not ratified.

[Krataiboy]

"Well I do think that the EU does tend to come to an agreement right at the end."

 

Yeah, but. . . it takes two to tango, Boris - and we Brexiteers haven't forgotten you voted for the appalling Withdrawal Agreement last time around.

 

Dance to the EU's tune and you will go down in history as an even bigger traitor than Mother Theresa.

[Parsve]

Percy P

Who is you . Parliament rejected it 3 times as it wasn't in the interest of the British becoming an independent nation . Thank to the ex PM who voted to remain in the EU. 

 

Who I am have no point to the question. The question was how it could be a EU-problem that UK make an agreement and then do not want to follow it. As I said that is solary a UK problem. Answer that instead please. 

[Bluespunk]

53 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

On the contrary, the Alternative Arrangements Commission have produced detailed proposals and are waiting for the EU side to respond. There was an excellent interview with Tony Smith, former head of the UK Border Force on LBC this week. I know you won't like Mr Farage, but just try to see past him and listen to Tony Smith. 

 

 

https://www.governmenteuropa.eu/alternative-arrangements-for-the-irish-border/93734/

I don't want to see interviews, I want to see a credible alternative to the current arrangement in the deal.

 

I want johnson to explain exactly what acceptable, workable, credible alternative he has, that is good to go now. 

[Bluespunk]

14 minutes ago, baansgr said:

How can it be an agreement if its not been agreed...a proposal is the fitting word which has been rejected

Nope, it was negotiated and agreed upon.

 

The fact the uk govt failed to honour their commitments in the agreement is of course another matter.

[Parsve]

50 minutes ago, billd766 said:

An agreement was signed between Teresa May and the 27 countries of the EU. The 28th country which was the UK refused the agreement 3 times in parliament which means that there was NO agreement at all.

 

If it had been passed in parliament then yes, there would have been an agreement which the UK and the EU would be forced to follow.

 

But there wasn't.

So what you actually say is that a British PM is never to trust on. Hmm, interesting.

[Forethat]

9 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nope, it was negotiated and agreed upon.

 

The fact the uk govt failed to honour their commitments in the agreement is of course another matter.

Yes, the negotiators agreed on the legal aspects of the draft agreement. Subsequently, EU leaders approved eventually signed the proposed agreement. On the British side, the Parliament refused to approve the proposed agreement.

 

That's where we are now. That's why it's called "No Deal". There is no deal.

[Bluespunk]

Just now, Forethat said:

Yes, the negotiators agreed on the legal aspects of the draft agreement. Subsequently, EU leaders approved eventually signed the proposed agreement. On the British side, the Parliament refused to approve the proposed agreement.

 

That's where we are now. That's why it's called "No Deal". There is no deal.

No, there is a deal. It's still there.

 

The fact the british govt can't honour it's negotiated agreements doesn't change the fact the deal is still there.

[Forethat]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

No, there is a deal. It's still there.

 

The fact the british govt can't honour it's negotiated agreements doesn't change the fact the deal is still there.

There is a deal?

 

Sorry, but I think I'll pass on this debate for now.

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, Forethat said:

There is a deal?

 

Sorry, but I think I'll pass on this debate for now.

Good.

[david555]

Jessica Elgot Chief political correspondent

@jessicaelgot

Tue 27 Aug 2019 13.52 BST

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/27/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-prioritise-legislation-stop-no-deal-meeting-opposition-parties-labour

 

(Just the most important quote out of it) :

 

MPs are planning on using the same tactics as they did earlier this year when rebels seized control of the order paper and passed a bill led by Yvette Cooper and Letwin that mandated an extension to article 50.

 

 

SKY news

By Aubrey Allegretti, political reporter Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:23, UK

https://news.sky.com/story/anti-no-deal-coalition-backs-forcing-pm-to-delay-brexit-through-law-11795370

 

A cross-party coalition of MPs trying to block no-deal in October have reportedly agreed they should focus on trying to write a law forcing Boris Johnson to delay Brexit.

Three of those involved in the talks said repeating the tactic used in April should take priority over a plan by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn to try and oust the prime minister in a no-confidence vote.

 

Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson told Sky News there was "unanimity" that the "best way forward" was using "legislative approaches".

Anna Soubry, leader of The Independent Group for Change tweeted "we agree we will work together to stop a no-deal Brexit by legislation".

And Plaid Cymru said in a news release that all parties involved agreed to "explore the best possible way of avoiding a no-deal using a legislative approach".

 

[CG1 Blue]

51 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

On the contrary, the Alternative Arrangements Commission have produced detailed proposals and are waiting for the EU side to respond.

As has been already pointed out to you The Alterntive Arranements Commision is a group of hard line Brexiteers whose proposals vis-a-vis the backstop have already been shown to be complete nonsense. They are not part of the Brexit negotiating team (same as Farage), and cannot put proposals to Brussels so don't expect a response from Brussels any time soon. Their sole raison d'etre is to feed B.S. to people like you.

No, only YOU decided the Alternative Arrangements Commission is a group of hard line Brexiteers. The co-Chair of the group is Nicky Morgan who voted Remain. The group is extremely diverse and has consulted with all stakeholders. There are many customs and international trade experts directly involved with the group. The group is working on behalf of the government. 

 

Do yourself a favour and listen to the LBC interview, or read about the AAC (link below) before dismissing it all because it doesn't fit with your agenda. 

 

https://www.prosperity-uk.com/aacabout/

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

31 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I don't want to see interviews, I want to see a credible alternative to the current arrangement in the deal.

 

I want johnson to explain exactly what acceptable, workable, credible alternative he has, that is good to go now. 

The AAC are working on Johnson's behalf. The plan is now out there and waiting for a response. 

It might take 2-3 years to be fully implemented, but if accepted by the EU we could agree on a phased departure from the CU and SM. Link below for your info. 

 

https://www.prosperity-uk.com/aacabout/

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The AAC are working on Johnson's behalf. The plan is now out there and waiting for a response. 

It might take 2-3 years to be fully implemented, but if accepted by the EU we could agree on a phased departure from the CU and SM. Link below for your info. 

 

https://www.prosperity-uk.com/aacabout/

Unless the plans meet the standards the govt of Eire feels is required to protect the Good Friday Agreement, then phased won’t do it. 

 

The backstop is good to go now. 

[CG1 Blue]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Unless the plans meet the standards the govt of Eire feels is required to protect the Good Friday Agreement, then phased won’t do it. 

 

The backstop is good to go now. 

So the govt of Eire need to look at the plan and tell us if it meets the requirements, and if not why not so we can address any concerns. 

The backstop won't get through Parliament. We know that already. 

[evadgib]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

So the govt of Eire need to look at the plan and tell us if it meets the requirements, and if not why not so we can address any concerns. 

The backstop won't get through Parliament. We know that already. 

Nor will any revamped BRINO:

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

Same same as coming both from the " catfight conservative party " it's your U.K. mess so clean it up a best way possible ,good luck.

Actually they are not the same at all.

 

Boris has come down firmly and committed himself and the Leavers in the Tory party to leave one way or the other on 31st October.

 

Teresa May, Philip Hammond and the Remainers want to fight Brexit to the bitter end. I guess that they never wanted to leave the EU and so ignored their mandate (which was to leave) because they "knew" better than the electorate.

 

Hopefully at the next general election they will be unceremoniously they will be tossed out of their seats and get NO promotion to the HoL. 

 

It will be cleaned up with or without the assistance of the EU.

 

[david555]

18 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Actually they are not the same at all.

 

Boris has come down firmly and committed himself and the Leavers in the Tory party to leave one way or the other on 31st October.

 

Teresa May, Philip Hammond and the Remainers want to fight Brexit to the bitter end. I guess that they never wanted to leave the EU and so ignored their mandate (which was to leave) because they "knew" better than the electorate.

 

Hopefully at the next general election they will be unceremoniously they will be tossed out of their seats and get NO promotion to the HoL. 

 

It will be cleaned up with or without the assistance of the EU.

 

same same was meant at it is 1 party , even different fractions , they sacrificed  your U.K. for party interests in which up today they failed , and I think the E.U. has not one  interest to assist in the repair of them...5555 lol 

[billd766]

58 minutes ago, Parsve said:

Percy P

Who is you . Parliament rejected it 3 times as it wasn't in the interest of the British becoming an independent nation . Thank to the ex PM who voted to remain in the EU. 

 

Who I am have no point to the question. The question was how it could be a EU-problem that UK make an agreement and then do not want to follow it. As I said that is solary a UK problem. Answer that instead please. 

The UK did NOT make an agreement with the EU. Teresa May in her position as PM did, but she failed 3 times to convince parliament that the UK should accept "HER" deal. Hence if parliament did not ratify it then there was NO agreement.

 

So Now Boris has to go back to the EU and try for a different agreement. If they won't budge then the default position is a no deal Brexit.

 

Tusk keeps saying NO, so there you have it.

[Bluespunk]

15 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

So the govt of Eire need to look at the plan and tell us if it meets the requirements, and if not why not so we can address any concerns. 

The backstop won't get through Parliament. We know that already. 

Then johnson needs to explain the plan. 

 

It is all on the uk, as they are the ones reneging on the commitments  made in the brexit deal the uk govt negotiated with the EU. 

[JonnyF]

39 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Unless the plans meet the standards the govt of Eire feels is required to protect the Good Friday Agreement, then phased won’t do it. 

 

The backstop is good to go now. 

No, it's not good to go. 

 

Parliament rejected it 3 times. It's good to go down in history as a poor attempt at a trap that was seen as such and therefore thrown out.