Corbyn 'will do everything necessary' to stop no-deal Brexit

[Scott]

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[Laughing Gravy]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

Keep going Corbyn etc, stop this lunatic no deal nonsense. None of the 39% of the UK electorate who voted for Brexit chose no deal, on the contrary, they were told it would be easy.

I did so your theory is blown out and so did many of the people I know. No deal no ECJ, no single market, no customs union. Great.

[sammieuk1]

Whispering JC an man that now talks so quite no one understands what the hell he's drivelling about before they fall asleep or Boris the blade that's where we are folks  doomed from every conceivable direction ???? 

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

What would you like the vote to be.

1. Stay in the EU

2. Don't leave the EU

 

I would add a few more from a remainers mindset.

 

Join the Euro

Pay more contributions

Take in more foreigners until their is no British culture left.

 

Luckily these and the ones you mention will never happen

 

 

[Orton Rd]

His judgement has to be very questionable- he once had Dianne Abbott for a girl friend, and now as shadow home secretary ????

[Caldera]

"Corbyn said an EU exit without an agreement would leave Britain at the mercy of President Donald Trump and U.S. corporations."

 

I don't often agree with the man, but he does have a good point there. In that scenario, Trump would have incredible leverage and could pretty much dictate the terms of the trade agreement.

[Sticky Wicket]

5 minutes ago, Caldera said:

"Corbyn said an EU exit without an agreement would leave Britain at the mercy of President Donald Trump and U.S. corporations."

 

I don't often agree with the man, but he does have a good point there. In that scenario, Trump would have incredible leverage and could pretty much dictate the terms of the trade agreement.

Countries trade with each other without trade agreements. It's not the be all and end all.

The UK buys vast amounts of products from China (over 45 billion) without any deals in place.

 

Currently, because the UK is a member of the EU, and because the EU doesn’t have a free trade agreement with China, the UK doesn’t have one either.

Beijing has made it clear that it would welcome an FTA with the UK with “open arms” and has stated that it would make a “top notch” deal.

 

I'm sure they would much rather have a great deal with the USA though!

[Sticky Wicket]

Business and trade will outweigh politics every time & has done throughout history

[owl sees all]

52 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

His judgement has to be very questionable- he once had Dianne Abbott for a girl friend, and now as shadow home secretary ????

A bit below the belt there Orton Rd. Poor JC.

 

He is a hot-bloodied male like the rest of us (some). Who wouldn't want a raving sex-pot as a girl friend? Just look at the way she rolls her eyes! And she has an 'O level' in maths.

 

She may well be home secretary soon. She will help us penniless farang get home with their Thai families. Get Julian out of high security and obtain proper compensation for Windrush victims (and others). She has a humane side to her. 

[sawadee1947]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I would add a few more from a remainers mindset.

 

Join the Euro

Pay more contributions

Take in more foreigners until their is no British culture left.

 

Luckily these and the ones you mention will never happen

 

 

Btw what is British culture? 

Bickering

Cherry picking? 

Dreaming of a Great Empire? 

Adoring a royal pet family? 

Living in the past? 

Bad food? 

Bad weather even? 

[Vacuum]

7 hours ago, smedly said:

The EU will collapse

One can only hope.

[Basil B]

12 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Fair play to him for listening to the opposition majority and initially attempting the legal route. 

I do not think that was what he wanted, lets hope he does not torpedo it in an attempt to force a caretaker gov with him at the helm.

 

If that happened what would stop him from proroguing parliament and ruling by executive order until May 2022?

Edited August 28, 2019 by Basil B

[Nigel Garvie]

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

  7 hours ago, bannork said:

Keep going Corbyn etc, stop this lunatic no deal nonsense. None of the 39% of the UK electorate who voted for Brexit chose no deal, on the contrary, they were told it would be easy.

 

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I did so your theory is blown out and so did many of the people I know. No deal no ECJ, no single market, no customs union. Great.

You appear to have been possessed with extraordinary foresight at the time of the referendum to be convinced that no deal was an option. None of the promotors of Brexit said that's what was on offer, they all spoke of a trade deal with the EU, one even said it would be the easiest deal ever. Maybe you can post some evidence from that time showing that no deal was promoted even as a possible, let alone expected outcome.

 

In the meantime please note this survey from the Times/Sunday Times (You know those two left wing magazines). It is over 20,000 people - that's a big survey by UK polling standards. It shows you just how popular a no deal Brexit actually is. The people of Britain may finally be waking up from their Brexit fantasy induced coma.

Your working class heroes may be beginning to understand that austerity was a walk in the park, compared with what No deal Brexit would bring. You can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Nigel Garvie
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[Nigel Garvie]

58 minutes ago, Basil B said:

I do not think that was what he wanted, lets hope he does not torpedo it in an attempt to force a caretaker gov with him at the helm.

 

If that happened what would stop him from proroguing parliament and ruling by executive order until May 2022?

No it is not what he wanted, but he is surrounded by level headed people in this event. I think, now he appears to understand the disaster facing the country, even he can see that his duty is to the country first. If we have an economic disaster, then most of the socialist policies are impossible anyway.

 

IMO what would stop him from proroguing parliament and ruling by executive order until May 2022, is simply that he would be dumped by others in this fragile coalition. 

[Forethat]

28 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Btw what is British culture? 

Bickering

Cherry picking? 

Dreaming of a Great Empire? 

Adoring a royal pet family? 

Living in the past? 

Bad food? 

Bad weather even? 

Isn't your question and answers indicative of a far bigger issue than the exchange rate of the pound?

 

Had you asked someone that question fifty 50 years ago "what is britishness what are British values"?, they would have answered very clearly: They are epitomised in a set of historical institutions. In the institutions of Parliament. In institutions of trial by jury and the high courts. In the great schools and universities. The monarchy. The church of England. A place to call home.

 

And now there's your view. Your answers, ridiculing your own, your will to mortify yourself in public, I believe, is an attempt to atone for perceived wrongdoings in the past. As Britishness is more and more becoming diluted, you choose self-humiliation in an attempt to be acknowledged by others when Britishness slowly disappears into some sort of Euro-diverse noise where there are NO unifying values or common culture. No place to call home.

 

I think you have, without realising it, put your finger on the exact reason why people want to leave the EU: British people fear that they are losing their culture, their values and subsequently their place in the world, their home. Your post is, simply put, the best thing I've read on TV for a long time.

 

Thanks.

 

 

[Basil B]

7 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

IMO what would stop him from proroguing parliament and ruling by executive order until May 2022, is simply that he would be dumped by others in this fragile coalition. 

Without sitting no vote of confidence could be called and if there were coalition members in his government he could sack them and replace them with his loony left chums...

 

Even if the Labour Party was to expel him it would not force him to stand down as PM, with the evermore chance of the UK being run by minority governments in the future the use of Proroguing needs to be looked at to prevent its misuse.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, flossie35 said:

There is no good brexit. A majority of people did NOT vote to leave. Less than half the electorate ADVISED leave; it is up to Parliament to decided whether it is in the national interest to take the advice. The leave vote was obtained with lies and fraud such that the result would have been declared null and void had it been decisive -which it wasn't. And polls suggest that most people would now prefer to remain. Johnson - a known liar and incompetent in public office - is behaving like a tinpot dictator. This is not democracy.

Wot rot.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Once again, you post a ripped meme but fail to provide a link to the source.

 

Link please?

In this case I don't think it really matters. Who's that doing the sermon anyway? 

[transam]

1 hour ago, sawadee1947 said:

Btw what is British culture? 

Bickering

Cherry picking? 

Dreaming of a Great Empire? 

Adoring a royal pet family? 

Living in the past? 

Bad food? 

Bad weather even? 

But I bet you've got bad breath....????

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, sawadee1947 said:

Btw what is British culture? 

Bickering

Cherry picking? 

Dreaming of a Great Empire? 

Adoring a royal pet family? 

Living in the past? 

Bad food? 

Bad weather even? 

Brit bashing again. At least you are consistent with your tiresome jealousy.

 

[Forethat]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Brit bashing again. At least you are consistent with your tiresome jealousy.

 

It's more than Brit bashing. It's about guilt. It's about self-abasement. They run a series on History Channel now - "Why Does Everyone Hate the English?"

Produced by Brits. 

 

I just want to throw up.

[Laughing Gravy]

55 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

You appear to have been possessed with extraordinary foresight at the time of the referendum to be convinced that no deal was an option

Yes I can see into the future.????

 

No deal equates to leaving the EU, the ECJ, Customs Union, Single market.

 

That's what leaving the EU meant and this was reported so often. The leader of remain camp (David Cameron) also told everyone countless times, although remainers seem to conveniently forget that fact.

 

So if that's what no deal equates to leaving the above so be it.

58 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

In the meantime please note this survey from the Times/Sunday Times (You know those two left wing magazines).

I assume you are trying to be funny here.

 

59 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

It is over 20,000 people - that's a big survey by UK polling standards.

You still seem to believe surveys. Do you not remember all those surveys and predictions that the referendum result, would be a huge victory for remain. You still haven't learned.

[Laughing Gravy]

9 minutes ago, Forethat said:

It's more than Brit bashing. It's about guilt. It's about self-abasement. They run a series on History Channel now - "Why Does Everyone Hate the English?"

Produced by Brits. 

 

I just want to throw up.

The said poster is very envious, jealous and bitter about the UK. He gets upset that his country is been used by the EU.

 

As soon as Sein Fein start backing leave the EU like they use too and now only support it in the hope of a united Ireland, he will go back supporting them. Most don't take him seriously anymore.

[johnnybangkok]

52 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Isn't your question and answers indicative of a far bigger issue than the exchange rate of the pound?

 

Had you asked someone that question fifty 50 years ago "what is britishness what are British values"?, they would have answered very clearly: They are epitomised in a set of historical institutions. In the institutions of Parliament. In institutions of trial by jury and the high courts. In the great schools and universities. The monarchy. The church of England. A place to call home.

 

And now there's your view. Your answers, ridiculing your own, your will to mortify yourself in public, I believe, is an attempt to atone for perceived wrongdoings in the past. As Britishness is more and more becoming diluted, you choose self-humiliation in an attempt to be acknowledged by others when Britishness slowly disappears into some sort of Euro-diverse noise where there are NO unifying values or common culture. No place to call home.

 

I think you have, without realising it, put your finger on the exact reason why people want to leave the EU: British people fear that they are losing their culture, their values and subsequently their place in the world, their home. Your post is, simply put, the best thing I've read on TV for a long time.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Please do keep trying to delude yourself with your thinly veiled jingoistic nonsense that tries to excuse what is essentially xenophobia masquerading as nationalism but most of us aren't buying it.

We have been a part of Europe for over 45 years so pray tell what part of  historical institutions, Parliament, institutions of trial by jury and the high courts, great schools and universities, the monarchy and The church of England has changed in that time? Last time I checked they were still all there and still very much thriving.

Just have the guts to admit the fundamental reason behind most Brexit fans is a pathological and unsubstantiated distrusts of Johnny Foreigner perpetuated by right-wing propaganda that played perfectly to your echo chambers. You are seeing every major economist warn of the disaster of a no-deal yet you guys just don't care passing it off as 'Project Fear". And when you talk about Britishness becoming 'more and more diluted' what you really mean is those pesky foreigners are diluting your idea of Britishness based upon a long forgotten Empire we steadily (and rightfully) lost over the 20th century. But hey as long as your perceived 'Federalist Superstate' is brought to heel, economic and social disaster is a small price to pay.

 

So save me your pseudo intellectual nonsense and your faux indignation and your musings over the 'British people fear that they are losing their culture, their values and subsequently their place in the world'. It's xenophobia, bigotry and racism plain and simple hiding behind a unconvincing veil of nationalism. And you know it.

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by johnnybangkok

[transam]

46 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Please do keep trying to delude yourself with your thinly veiled jingoistic nonsense that tries to excuse what is essentially xenophobia masquerading as nationalism but most of us aren't buying it.

We have been a part of Europe for over 45 years so pray tell what part of  historical institutions, Parliament, institutions of trial by jury and the high courts, great schools and universities, the monarchy and The church of England has changed in that time? Last time I checked they were still all there and still very much thriving.

Just have the guts to admit the fundamental reason behind most Brexit fans is a pathological and unsubstantiated distrusts of Johnny Foreigner perpetuated by right-wing propaganda that played perfectly to your echo chambers. You are seeing every major economist warn of the disaster of a no-deal yet you guys just don't care passing it off as 'Project Fear". And when you talk about Britishness becoming 'more and more diluted' what you really mean is those pesky foreigners are diluting your idea of Britishness based upon a long forgotten Empire we steadily (and rightfully) lost over the 20th century. But hey as long as your perceived 'Federalist Superstate' is brought to heel, economic and social disaster is a small price to pay.

 

So save me your pseudo intellectual nonsense and your faux indignation and your musings over the 'British people fear that they are losing their culture, their values and subsequently their place in the world'. It's xenophobia, bigotry and racism plain and simple hiding behind a unconvincing veil of nationalism. And you know it.

 

What a load of tosh, and why is it folk like you bring out the "racist card" when you are stumped...?

It is very childish, especially when most posting here have Asian families...

Bet the other "racist" accuser will be along soon, can't wait...????

[johnnybangkok]

22 minutes ago, transam said:

What a load of tosh, and why is it folk like you bring out the "racist card" when you are stumped...?

It is very childish, especially when most posting here have Asian families...

Bet the other "racist" accuser will be along soon, can't wait...????

Go on then. Tell me about the economic benefits of all this? Just give me 5 good reasons that don't include 'controlling our own borders' or immigration for a no-deal Brexit? 

I can certainly give you 5 good reasons for staying in the EU.

Edited August 28, 2019 by johnnybangkok

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Go on then. Tell me about the economic benefits of all this? Just good me 5 good reasons that don't include 'controlling our own borders' or immigration for a no-deal Brexit? 

I can certainly give you 5 good reasons for staying in the EU.

Nobody is interested in your reasons for staying in the EU, there are 17.4 million reasons for leaving, it's called democracy.

[johnnybangkok]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Nobody is interested in your reasons for staying in the EU, there are 17.4 million reasons for leaving, it's called democracy.

Deflection. 

You might not be interested in my reasons but that wasn't the question was it.

Come on Brexit brigade, 5 good reasons for leaving the EU?

[puipuitom]

17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Yes, the few who believe that a no deal Brexit will be good for the UK against the many who know it will be economic suicide!

 

I'm no fan of Corbyn, but I do support him in his efforts to stop that disaster. Though he'll have more support if he were to forget plans for him to be caretaker PM.

 

At least Corbyn is seeking a democratic way ahead, unlike Johnson and his threats to suspend Parliament.

 

I thought you Brexiteers were big fans of democracy?

I agree completely, especially teh part: if he forgets the plan to be the temporary PM.  Just a PM, who can be accepted by the entire opposition, even a part of the Tories, would send Boris the Liar and his crew home

[sawadee1947]

1 hour ago, Forethat said:

Isn't your question and answers indicative of a far bigger issue than the exchange rate of the pound?

 

Had you asked someone that question fifty 50 years ago "what is britishness what are British values"?, they would have answered very clearly: They are epitomised in a set of historical institutions. In the institutions of Parliament. In institutions of trial by jury and the high courts. In the great schools and universities. The monarchy. The church of England. A place to call home.

 

And now there's your view. Your answers, ridiculing your own, your will to mortify yourself in public, I believe, is an attempt to atone for perceived wrongdoings in the past. As Britishness is more and more becoming diluted, you choose self-humiliation in an attempt to be acknowledged by others when Britishness slowly disappears into some sort of Euro-diverse noise where there are NO unifying values or common culture. No place to call home.

 

I think you have, without realising it, put your finger on the exact reason why people want to leave the EU: British people fear that they are losing their culture, their values and subsequently their place in the world, their home. Your post is, simply put, the best thing I've read on TV for a long time.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Sorry but you never will understand what EU is standing for. 

It's standing for peace, democracy, freedom, prospering economy. 

Your problem is outline very clear: Your "home" will never be Europe. Europe was founded as Europe of fatherlands but not in an altruistic old fashioned way but a modern always developing community with freedom of speech and movement. You are entitled to live and work where you want without any visa restriction. Also many laws should be the same in all countries when it comes to crime, banks and taxes. 

Also same laws in respect of saving environment. When it comes to trading free in-and export. Also a European High Court is there to appeal if laws are neglected. 

All this you never realised.

In Brussels are sitting people also sent by UK. These people decide what is good for EU. You got your vote there. So don't complain when you next dealing with EU by having no say but following EU legislation. 

Your (UK) prosperity is always tied to EU, now and in future. EU is your biggest trade partner, don't forget. To comment negociations with vocabs from WW2 is not only disgusting but shows the mental disabilities of those who use it. 

We are not in war, and there is no surrender but just negociations between trade partners and partner governments. I'm not in war with British people but puzzled how many following populists ideas and selfish populist so called politicians on their ego-trip.????????????????????????