Collapse us if you can, government dares Brexit opponents

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Collapse us if you can, government dares Brexit opponents

William James, Guy Faulconbridge

 

Britain's Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg talks to the media as he leaves media studios in London, Britain August 29, 2019. REUTERS/Toby Melville

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s government on Thursday challenged opponents of Brexit in parliament to collapse the government or change the law if they wanted to thwart Britain’s exit from the European Union.

 

More than three years since the Brexit referendum, the United Kingdom is heading towards its gravest constitutional crisis in decades and a showdown with the EU over Brexit due in just 63 days time.

 

In his boldest step since becoming prime minister last month, Johnson enraged opponents of a no-deal Brexit on Wednesday by ordering the suspension of parliament for almost a month.

 

The speaker of the lower house of parliament, John Bercow, said that was a constitutional outrage as it limited the time the 800-year-old heart of English democracy has to debate and shape the course of British history.

 

But Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Brexit supporter who is in charge of managing government business in parliament, dared opponents to do their worst.

 

“All these people who are wailing and gnashing of teeth know that there are two ways of doing what they want to do,” Rees-Mogg told the BBC.

 

“One, is to change the government and the other is to change the law. If they do either of those that will then have an effect.

 

“If they don’t have either the courage or the gumption to do either of those then we will leave on the 31st of October in accordance with the referendum result.”

 

Johnson’s move to suspend parliament for longer than usual at one of the most crucial junctures in recent British history was cheered by U.S. President Donald Trump but provoked criticism from some British lawmakers and media.

Ruth Davidson quit as leader of the Conservative Party in Scotland on Thursday, saying she could no longer juggle the demands of being a mother with the balancing act of Brexit.

 

“I have attempted to chart a course for our party which recognises and respects the referendum result, while seeking to maximise opportunities and mitigate risks for key Scottish businesses and sectors,” she said.

 

TORTUOUS NEGOTIATIONS

 

After years of tortuous negotiations and a series of political crises since the United Kingdom voted 52% to 48% to leave the EU in the 2016 referendum, Brexit remains up in the air. Options range from an acrimonious divorce on Oct. 31 and an election to an amicable exit or even another referendum.

 

In effect, Johnson’s order to suspend parliament forces opponents of a no-deal Brexit in parliament to show their hand and act in as few as four days sitting next month. Parliament returns from its summer holiday on Sept. 3.

An election is likely.

 

“Boris is obviously preparing for an election,” said Conservative lawmaker Ken Clarke.

 

“He’s decided that he wants a people versus foreigners election, and a people versus parliament election, and he’s blustering away with ‘making this country the greatest country in the world’, patriotism, Donald Trump-style stuff.”

Johnson is also trying to convince the EU that his threat of a no-deal exit is real.

 

Britain’s opposition Labour Party will seek an emergency debate on Brexit next week, the party’s trade spokesman Barry Gardiner said, outlining plans which could give them an opening to pass legislation to block a no-deal Brexit.

“On Monday, we will introduce what is known as a Standing Order Section 24 Motion and that would be to try and have an emergency debate,” Gardiner told Sky News.

 

There is a small majority against a no-deal Brexit in the 650-seat House of Commons though it is unclear if opponents of Johnson within the Conservative Party would collapse his government in a vote of no confidence.

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-08-29

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what are bookies saying, what's the long shot now?

[Bluespunk]

27 minutes ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

 

After years of tortuous negotiations and a series of political crises since the United Kingdom voted 52% to 48% to leave the EU in the 2016 referendum, Brexit remains up in the air. Options range from an acrimonious divorce on Oct. 31 and an election to an amicable exit or even another referendum.

There are options?

 

No wonder johnson is trying to shut down parliament.

 

Can't disrupt his desire to take the road to perdition, that would only upset the minority of the electorate who voted for his no deal approach.

 

The rules of brexitocracy do not allow that.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Bluespunk

[JonnyF]

Moggy dropped the mic.

 

Years of underhand conniving from Remoaners has finally driven Leavers to take the gloves off. 

 

Rees Mogg, Dominic Cummins et al. will be formidable opponents now they know "the rules".

 

Bring it on. May Democracy win.

[RickBradford]

Gotta love those nimrods walking around with placards saying "Defend democracy. Stop Brexit".

 

I suppose nobody learns arithmetic in the UK.

[evadgib]

The Mogg followed by a remainer on GMB today:

And here he is again on Sky:

 

Edited August 29, 2019 by evadgib

[timendres]

16 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The Mogg on GMB today:

As a US citizen, what struck me about this video was how each person was allowed to fully express their thoughts without others jumping in and talking over them. And how each person seemed to listen and consider what was said, and respond to those thoughts. I am in no position to speak intelligently about Brexit, but I do hope it goes better than the dire predictions.

[evadgib]

Yet again 'TBW' is receiving wall-to-wall coverage before she has even licked the stamp while Robin Tilbrook is completely de-platformed:

 

[sammieuk1]

I for one want an end cluster muck but its going to be 10+ years of going backwards for the poor paying for it as the rich that are driving the bus full of nothing more than aspirations into the channel full throttle of course with their tax havens and hugh wealth unaffected when it all go's wrong????    

[bannork]

33 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Gotta love those nimrods walking around with placards saying "Defend democracy. Stop Brexit".

 

I suppose nobody learns arithmetic in the UK.

I think I know the maths- only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit.

And of that 37%, zero % voted for a No Deal Brexit.

[RickBradford]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

I think I know the maths- only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit.

And of that 37%, zero % voted for a No Deal Brexit.

You don't know the mathematics or the logic.

 

Since 'No Deal Brexit' wasn't on the referendum paper, how could anyone have voted for it? ????

[whitemouse]

How can Johnson suspend sessions of the Parliament while still claiming the EU to be undemocratic.

 

PM can simply freeze the very institution established to control him. 

[bannork]

The electorate were promised a very sweet deal and that's what they voted for, but it's turning out to be a load of nonsense.:

More money for the NHS

Vote Leave’s battle bus said: “We send the EU £350 million a week. Let’s fund our NHS instead”

 

 More money for farmers

“The UK government will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support – or perhaps even more – as they get now.” – George Eustice, Minister for Farming, Food and Marine Environment

 

 More money for scientists

“If we Vote Leave, we will be able to increase funding to science and still save billions” –Vote Leave

 

And no short-term economic disruption

“After we Vote Leave, there won’t be a sudden change that disrupts the economy.” – Boris Johnson, Gisela Stuart and Michael Gove

 

We’ll get brand new trade deals all over the world

“We would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals… which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU” – Chris Grayling

here’ll be no damage to trade with the EU

“There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it… Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave… The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly.” Vote Leave

 

The Leavers promised the earth, not an isolated small country living in the past.

 

 

 

[Chivas]

1 hour ago, RickBradford said:

Gotta love those nimrods walking around with placards saying "Defend democracy. Stop Brexit".

 

I suppose nobody learns arithmetic in the UK.

No.....yet another one not grasping the reality so I'll lay it out for you.

 

"Defend Democracy. Stop no deal Brexit"  massive difference to what you claim. No body searched "no deal" on google for over 1 year after the referendum by the way.

We leave as per the vote but in an orderly manner. Make no mistake should you happen to be British but if we leave with no deal you can write Thailand off the weather map for the next two decades because you'll have far more pressing matters to hand back home 24/7

Edited August 29, 2019 by Chivas

[Scott]

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[sunnyboy2018]

55 minutes ago, bannork said:

I think I know the maths- only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit.

And of that 37%, zero % voted for a No Deal Brexit.

It is normal in our voting system to only include the votes of those actually voted. The remainers are clutching at straws conveniently forgetting NOBODY voted to join the EU.

[bannork]

2 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

It is normal in our voting system to only include the votes of those actually voted. The remainers are clutching at straws conveniently forgetting NOBODY voted to join the EU.

And nobody voted for a No Deal Brexit. They just voted for Leave with lots of promises of how painless it would be.

Now we know how difficult it will be to forge new trading links, and how long these are likely to take, a new referendum is necessary to see if the public are willing to undergo the necessary economic suffering.

[7by7]

1 hour ago, RickBradford said:

You don't know the mathematics or the logic.

 

Since 'No Deal Brexit' wasn't on the referendum paper, how could anyone have voted for it? ????

 What many leavers voted for was the pie in the sky "if we leave the EU will cave in and grant us all the benefits of membership with none of the obligations" pony that Cummings and his political puppets like Johnson fed us by the shovel full.

 

Cummings and his campaign were very careful to never mention the disaster of a no deal; except to simply repeat "Project Fear, Project Fear,......." ad nauseum whenever a remain campaigner brought the subject up.

[Loiner]

Rees Mogg is the man who knows about the rules and procedures. Easy to see now why Boris made a previous backbencher his Leader of the House.


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[beautifulthailand99]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

The Mogg followed by a remainer on GMB today:

And here he is again on Sky:

 

Keep doffing that cap to the Lord of Manor. I have pity for Thais some who revel in their serfdom as they were brainwashed from birth and educated stupid and no freedom to rebel in thought and deed. For a Brit nothing but a degree of sadness and contempt.

 

 

[7by7]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Rees Mogg is the man who knows about the rules and procedures. Easy to see now why Boris made a previous backbencher his Leader of the House.


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Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Jacob William Rees-Mogg do have lot in common.

 

Their wealthy backgrounds, privileged upbringing, education at Eton and Oxford, etc., etc..

 

Plus, of course, Rees-Mogg's devious plotting to depose May which led to Johnson becoming PM.

 

Yes, very easy to see why Johnson rewarded Rees-Mogg.

[beautifulthailand99]

33 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 What many leavers voted for was the pie in the sky "if we leave the EU will cave in and grant us all the benefits of membership with none of the obligations" pony that Cummings and his political puppets like Johnson fed us by the shovel full.

 

Cummings and his campaign were very careful to never mention the disaster of a no deal; except to simply repeat "Project Fear, Project Fear,......." ad nauseum whenever a remain campaigner brought the subject up.

In our remainer cliche that would be the unicorns. Brexiters are wetting themselves at the prospect of opening the gate to the promised land.

 

"Tell me about the rabbits. George."

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Jacob William Rees-Mogg do have lot in common.

 

Their wealthy backgrounds, privileged upbringing, education at Eton and Oxford, etc., etc..

 

Plus, of course, Rees-Mogg's devious plotting to depose May which led to Johnson becoming PM.

 

Yes, very easy to see why Johnson rewarded Rees-Mogg.

And easy to see why the proles worship them with their Eton-toff fetish.  BoJo and Mogg are behaving rationally and in their own self-interest - probably can't believe they can get an impoverished underclass to help them, in that project. Project Stupid is indeed anything but. 

[oldhippy]

14 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

And easy to see why the proles worship them with their Eton-toff fetish.  BoJo and Mogg are behaving rationally and in their own self-interest - probably can't believe they can get an impoverished underclass to help them, in that project. Project Stupid is indeed anything but. 

the expression "lumpenproletariat" comes to mind.

link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat

[beautifulthailand99]

Calling all REMAINERS

I hereby command you to support the PM's slightly amended BRINO Withdrawal Agreement.

Thank You for your attention. 

[beautifulthailand99]

47 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

the expression "lumpenproletariat" comes to mind.

link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat

Soon they will have to make a choice follow Farage and his sell-out gang or back BoJo and his sleight of hand , rabbit out of the hat with WA Mark 2. Which along with guaranteeing EU citizens rights and their families for years to come amongst many other things gives us a 2 year transition period to fight back in. 

 

I'm Backing BoJo and WA Mark 2 - are you ?

 

 

 

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[tomacht8]

Nothing against a Brexit, if there would be any traceable advantage.

 

Freedom to make new, better trade deals?

Sure, but with whom and when?

 

Less immigration of foreigners?

Immigration figures from EU foreigners have fallen sharply. Who comes are the people from the old UK colonies.

 

High skill workers are welcome?

High Skill workers avoid xenophobic countries.

 

independence!

Nice Word. But Independence from what?

Where should the benefits be for the normal people in the UK?

There is no evidence that the majority of the UK population will fare better.

 

New trade deals without obligations?

New dependencies will arise again, which question the dream of independence.

 

The British pound spills off.

50% of UK exports in question.

The health care system is threatened with privatization.

Companies with international focus are packing their bags.

Research and science is thinning out.

1000th of unresolved detail issues.

 

The last one turns off the light in the UK.

 

 

[oldhippy]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Soon they will have to make a choice follow Farage and his sell-out gang or back BoJo and his sleight of hand , rabbit out of the hat with WA Mark 2. Which along with guaranteeing EU citizens rights and their families for years to come amongst many other things gives us a 2 year transition period to fight back in. 

 

I'm Backing BoJo and WA Mark 2 - are you ?

Sorry.

I am European.

I wish the British would <deleted> off.

The sooner the better.

Unfortunately, the EU is not democratic enough to give us a choice, so there will not be a referendum to vote British in or out.

[beautifulthailand99]

6 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Sorry.

I am European.

I wish the British would <deleted> off.

The sooner the better.

Unfortunately, the EU is not democratic enough to give us a choice, so there will not be a referendum to vote British in or out.

My friend I'm European too and there is a certain amount of trolling leavers in my post. And not all Brits are the same. Please accept my hand of European friendship (no irony). I am ashamed of many of my fellow countrymen. 

[tomacht8]

5 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Sorry.

I am European.

I wish the British would <deleted> off.

The sooner the better.

Unfortunately, the EU is not democratic enough to give us a choice, so there will not be a referendum to vote British in or out.

This is an attitude that results from Europeans.
But it is to be noted that 48, XX% of the UK population do not want a hard break with their neighbors in Europe and want to stay in the EU.

 

It would be interesting to have current pro-contra brexit numbers.