Climate will ultimately send more of us packing than regulations

[Brunolem]

As I wake up in another day of "London in November", I am more and more convinced that the weather, and not the administrative regulations, will be the reason why many foreigners will leave Thailand in the mid/long term (5 years and beyond). 

 

Regulations can be undone overnight, but changes in climate are here to stay... and worsen! 

 

Thailand is a symbol of climate change. 

 

Its three very predictable, almost to the day, seasons have been replaced by a constantly unpredictable weather, very much like Western Europe weather. 

 

Did we bring this dreadful weather with us in our suitcases? 

 

Let's give it a quick look:

 

- the cool and dry season (November-February) has all but disappeared. 

 

Nighttime temperatures in peak winter are now often 10 degrees C above what they used to be (above 25 C instead of below 15 C). 

 

I know that for a fact thanks to my bedroom aircon unit... and my electricity bill (which by the way is now almost the same every month, although it was varying by more than 50% from one season to another in the past). 

 

- the hot summer season (March-June) is still alive and well, probably all too well, and it is unfortunately the one season many could dispense with. 

 

- the rain/monsoon season is also disapperaring, getting shorter, more extreme, and turned on its head. 

 

Turned on its head because all the rain falling on us during the last ten days or so, is not coming from the Indian Ocean (monsoon) as it should, but from the Pacific Ocean...go figure... 

 

Having said all that, when can we really enjoy the weather in Thailand these days, and when is it a nuisance? 

 

Now, try to imagine what this weather might be 5 or 10 years from now, if things keep on evolving the way they are. 

 

To make a comparison, try to imagine that the administrative requirements to stay in Thailand were increased by, say 20%, every year, for as long as you still have to live... when would that become unbearable? 

 

 

 

 

[brokenbone]

i think its the ice cold temperature in london that will

make you wish you could afford to satay long time

in thailand

https://electroverse.net/central-england-on-course-for-its-17th-coldest-june-in-360-years-of-records-crop-concerns-grand-solar-minimum/

Central England on Course for it’s 17th Coldest June in 360 Years of Records — Crop Concerns — Grand Solar Minimum

 

ed: england is a symbol of the ice age that is coming to us, and what can we do about it ????

 

heres hoping my home country monthly bank transfer dont freeze up until after im ded

Edited September 2, 2019 by brokenbone

[mfd101]

Things getter harder 'n harder as we get older 'n older.  Funny that.

[thaicurious]

I'm moving to the Bahamas

 

 

How do you run away from worldwide change?

 

Local to wherever you live, I don't think this will be a life changing issue for the current retired/retiring generation. This seems more an issue for approaching mid and then into late century, by which time--given populations fleeing coastlines, depletions of fresh water supplies, weather effects on crop production, disease, etc.--this could get real ugly.

 

We'll be dead by then.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, the Universe as we know it has been in existence for One hundred and seventy thousand million billion years and will be ending in a little over 10 minutes time....

 

[rumak]

Talking with my daughter today (skype) she said work was ok but just like her last job it was frustrating because she knew she could do a better job than the owners.   

I said "that's how I feel every time i think of the world".

 

Had my bike ride already.   Let's see what's on Netflix.....................

Edited September 2, 2019 by rumak

[thaicurious]

26 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

i think its the ice cold temperature in london that will

make you wish you could afford to satay long time

in thailand

https://electroverse.net/central-england-on-course-for-its-17th-coldest-june-in-360-years-of-records-crop-concerns-grand-solar-minimum/

Central England on Course for it’s 17th Coldest June in 360 Years of Records — Crop Concerns — Grand Solar Minimum

 

ed: england is a symbol of the ice age that is coming to us, and what can we do about it ????

 

heres hoping my home country monthly bank transfer dont freeze up until after im ded

Yup, If the Gulfstream shuts down due to ice melt (keeps salt water from sinking at a rate fast enough to keep the conveyer going), that could throw Europe into a mini Ice Age.

[Emdog]

Ha! I've got a plan already to keep me from packing up and leaving due to climate change: I'll die here. That will show 'em!

[soalbundy]

5 hours ago, mfd101 said:

Things getter harder 'n harder as we get older 'n older.  Funny that.

There's one thing that doesn't get harder as you age

[wombat]

The Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. But this tilt changes during a cycle , The tilt of the axis varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees. Because this tilt changes, the seasons as we know them become exaggerated

[timendres]

2 minutes ago, wombat said:

The Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. But this tilt changes during a cycle , The tilt of the axis varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees. Because this tilt changes, the seasons as we know them become exaggerated

If I am not mistaken, this tilt has been seeing some quite exaggerated changes itself recently.

[natway09]

After 30 years I have noticed one thing.

We don't get flooded as much in the wet season

[phantomfiddler]

There is definitely a lot more weather around than there used to be, but to cite this as a possible reason to leave Thailand is completely beyond reason ????

[mserror]

I am from Perth and the rainfall there has already reduced markedly in the last 20 y, such that the dams now contribute little water and they have mostly desal and recycling, which are expensive. If it reduces much more the whole area may be useless for agriculture.

 

But where I live in LOS, has abundant groundwater, and never floods, no sea level issues, but yes it seems to be getting hotter. Re climate change, this is a better bet.

[Krataiboy]

Now, try to imagine what this weather might be 5 or 10 years from now, if things keep on evolving the way they are. 

 

I wouldn't bother. Forecasters have a job getting the weather right a few days ahead, let alone five or ten years in the future. 

 

And as for those "experts" currently pushing up depression and suicide rates with predictions of a global warming apocalypse. . . 

 

Many of us are old enough to remember that back in the Seventies they warned us to prepare for the next ice age - and some apparently still believe it's on the way!

 

 

[canuckamuck]

 It sure won't be the weather that takes me out. The worst day in Thailand is superior to any day in the Canadian winter.

 

[CGW]

8 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Thailand is a symbol of climate change. 

Nonsense! but carry on regardless you have managed to convince yourself! 

[Isaan sailor]

Flooding in Isaan—very unusual, says my wife, who grew up here.  Rice harvest always came through plentiful.

[digger70]

Chill out man, it's not going to worry us it happens no matter what . It's just the Ice Age. It will get a bit warmer for a few thousand years and than it will Kool down again for a few thousand years. So grow old and die like everyone else  

[metisdead]

Some troll posts using trolling representations of Trump's name have been removed. 

[Aspaltso]

Very good topic and well written. The weather no doubt is and will have an impact on those expats staying in Thailand. I've actually noticed the difference in 10 years from the time I got to Thailand in 2009. The hot season for 2018 was much more intense and long than any other I'd experienced and no doubt will only get worse. My girlfriends parents in Sarakham haven't been able to produce a rice crop the last 2 years and that's the first time ever they can remember that situation since they've been alive,(they are in their late 60's). Anyways, its very scary what's to become of the climate and its impacts on Thailand and everywhere else for that matter.

[gunderhill]

11 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Thailand is a symbol of climate change

Eh, haven't  noticed  any  difference  except  last  two  years  were  wetter   than  the  last 4, its  always  hot usually  reaches max 42 c for 1-2  days,  min over  the  last 5  years 13 c  one  morning  , Prachuapkhirikhan.

[gunderhill]

8 minutes ago, Aspaltso said:

The hot season for 2018 was much more intense and long than any other I'd experienced

Yeah its  called  weather and your  opinion, mine was cooler than the last 3  years which were much  hotter,  much  longer, last two years much better, more  rain and not so  hot.

[gunderhill]

11 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Now, try to imagine what this weather might be 5 or 10 years from now, if things keep on evolving the way they are.

They told me 30  years ago the Maldives would be gone, still there, 1989  was  told  this. Much more problems from over tourism.

[timendres]

30 minutes ago, Aspaltso said:

Very good topic and well written. The weather no doubt is and will have an impact on those expats staying in Thailand. I've actually noticed the difference in 10 years from the time I got to Thailand in 2009. The hot season for 2018 was much more intense and long than any other I'd experienced and no doubt will only get worse. My girlfriends parents in Sarakham haven't been able to produce a rice crop the last 2 years and that's the first time ever they can remember that situation since they've been alive,(they are in their late 60's). Anyways, its very scary what's to become of the climate and its impacts on Thailand and everywhere else for that matter.

Life is scary for many reasons. Global warming, in whatever form it may or may not manifest, will create winners and losers. Just as many earth changes have done for millennia. And when those changes occur, people will adapt, just as they have for millennia. I think far more pressing matters will create far bigger problems long before global warming plays out. Personally, I think the politicians are making a serious mistake to use the global warming boogeyman. Why not just stick to the things every one can agree upon? We all want cleaner air, cleaner water, less dependance on fossil fuel, and more renewable energy. No need for a difficult to demonstrate boogeyman to get consensus on those issues.

[runamok27]

5 or 10 years, really? Climate changes occur over hundreds or thousands of years, not 5 or 10 years. We humans have very little data on climate and we're trying to make predictions based on about nearly 0% of actual climate of the earths history. They even had to change the name from Global Warming to Climate Change because calling it Global Warming wasn't working out so well for them. We have basically no clue how or why the climate changes. We've got a lot to learn. Just go out, enjoy life and quit worrying so much. Even if you lived to be 200 years old, the amount of climate change you would see would be minimal.

[Dnyy]

Greta has been informed!

[Max Brok]

24 minutes ago, gunderhill said:

Eh, haven't  noticed  any  difference  except  last  two  years  were  wetter   than  the  last 4, its  always  hot usually  reaches max 42 c for 1-2  days,  min over  the  last 5  years 13 c  one  morning  , Prachuapkhirikhan.

In The Netherlands we have heat waves in 2018 and 2019 July and August. In Juli it was one day up 40 C. Almost no rain in the summer. Heat records are broken. Still not enough rain to get a normal ground water level. Our dikes dry out, this is dangerous when we have much rain again. YES WE HAVE ALSO A TUCH OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

[Kwasaki]

12 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Climate will ultimately send more of us packing than regulations.

Have no idea what you're on about Suk in the north has been changeable yes but only a bit hotter at the beginning of the year, now it doesn't stop yen raining at the moment.

[gunderhill]

1 minute ago, Max Brok said:

In The Netherlands we have heat waves in 2018 and 2019 July and August. In Juli it was one day up 40 C. Almost no rain in the summer. Heat records are broken. Still not enough rain to get a normal ground water level. Our dikes dry out, this is dangerous when we have much rain again. YES WE HAVE ALSO A TUCH OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

We are  talking about Thailand specifically.

[RideJocky]

I thought it it seemed cooler this year.

I have noticed how all the talk of climate change has caused the price of beach-front property to plummet.

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