Climate change in the Isaan?

[swissie]

Just curious. Any major weather changes in the Isaan over time?
= The opinions/observations of (Thai) Grandpa/Grandma could be of value. All others (Farangs) have not been there long enough to comment.

[Odysseus123]

My mother-in-law Mai-lek who is 76 refuses to contribute on the grounds that as far as "farang" are concerned "What they don't know won't hurt them.."

 

[Laza 45]

...2 years ago the river and lake by our house flooded.. part of our house was flooded.. the old people said they had never seen anything like that before..  this year it happened again..  These floods were caused by weather systems coming off the Pacific and South China Sea.. coming over from the Philippines.. These storm systems are getting stronger because of warming sea temperatures..   This whole north east area is drained by the Chi river.. originating in the mountains behind Khon Kaen. I flows to Maha Sarakham... where the Pao river from the huge Lam Pao dam enters with flood waters from our area.. it flows to Roi Et and on to Ubon Ratchathani where it joins the Mun River and flows on into the Mekong River.  All these places along this river system have experienced floods 2 years ago and are experiencing huge floods at the moment from  these huge storms.. they are likely to get worse as the oceans warm even more.  Climate change in action.  Climate change deniers .. go stick your heads back in the sand.. do not reply to this.. zero tolerance for ignorance.. 

[jastheace]

and those in power who deny this is real, and say it is perfectly 'natural' should het their f'in heads out of the sand, like now , and come up with solutions. 

FWIW carbon capture won't work all the time we're digging the pure stuff up from the ground and burning it. easier just to leave it there and get solutions for overall energy demand NOW. 

ps population trend doesn't help. 

I have thoughts, but no post able answers...... 

[dotpoom]

Amazing the differences in what can be of interests to some...and maybe not to others.

[soalbundy]

After only 14 years in Isaan I can say yes it is changing, we used to know the exact date to plant rice now it is a lottery.

[Catoni]

The title of your thread asks about climate change. Then the body of your post asks about weather changes. 

    Please decide which one you wish answers for. Climate and weather are not the same thing. 

    But just to let you know....they’ve both been changing ever since the planet got water and an atmosphere. 

[rwill]

3 hours ago, jastheace said:

and those in power who deny this is real, and say it is perfectly 'natural' should het their f'in heads out of the sand, like now , and come up with solutions. 

FWIW carbon capture won't work all the time we're digging the pure stuff up from the ground and burning it. easier just to leave it there and get solutions for overall energy demand NOW. 

ps population trend doesn't help. 

I have thoughts, but no post able answers...... 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html?fbclid=IwAR259Ir8P0Jtay4LJRCnbR0ZV3v3Dgb6RqyQsOLaLydHawowiQx2agUQbqg

 

https://principia-scientific.org/scientists-and-studies-predict-imminent-global-cooling/?fbclid=IwAR3CO12_-CnNhsivFhBvMV8th_f1kKUaPQUe3wDbxTWo4KA1y_Bo6bwQ4tU

 

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf

[Catoni]

3 hours ago, Laza 45 said:

...2 years ago the river and lake by our house flooded.. part of our house was flooded.. the old people said they had never seen anything like that before..  this year it happened again..  These floods were caused by weather systems coming off the Pacific and South China Sea.. coming over from the Philippines.. These storm systems are getting stronger because of warming sea temperatures..   This whole north east area is drained by the Chi river.. originating in the mountains behind Khon Kaen. I flows to Maha Sarakham... where the Pao river from the huge Lam Pao dam enters with flood waters from our area.. it flows to Roi Et and on to Ubon Ratchathani where it joins the Mun River and flows on into the Mekong River.  All these places along this river system have experienced floods 2 years ago and are experiencing huge floods at the moment from  these huge storms.. they are likely to get worse as the oceans warm even more.  Climate change in action.  Climate change deniers .. go stick your heads back in the sand.. do not reply to this.. zero tolerance for ignorance.. 

      Hey....be nice. You don’t believe in freedom of speech or freedom of the press or freedom of opinion? 

   In any case, I’m not a climate “denier”. (Nice to compare to holocaust deniers. Leftist tactic)

   I believe that yes, we do have a climate. And yes, climate changes. It has always changed. Sometimes fast, sometimes slow, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. 

   The study of climate over the history the planet is called Paleoclimatology. I find it a fascinating subject. History, Geology, Astronomy, Meteoritics, and Paleoclimatology have been for many many years....big interests of mine, both in college, and also in retirement. 

   I also studied Politics and Economics. 

[swissie]

8 minutes ago, Catoni said:

The title of your thread asks about climate change. Then the body of your post asks about weather changes. 

    Please decide which one you wish answers for. Climate and weather are not the same thing. 

    But just to let you know....they’ve both been changing ever since the planet got water and an atmosphere. 

Longer term the "climate-change" will affect "your weather" in your small corner of the world as well.

[Catoni]

4 hours ago, Laza 45 said:

...2 years ago the river and lake by our house flooded.. part of our house was flooded.. the old people said they had never seen anything like that before..  this year it happened again..  These floods were caused by weather systems coming off the Pacific and South China Sea.. coming over from the Philippines.. These storm systems are getting stronger because of warming sea temperatures..   This whole north east area is drained by the Chi river.. originating in the mountains behind Khon Kaen. I flows to Maha Sarakham... where the Pao river from the huge Lam Pao dam enters with flood waters from our area.. it flows to Roi Et and on to Ubon Ratchathani where it joins the Mun River and flows on into the Mekong River.  All these places along this river system have experienced floods 2 years ago and are experiencing huge floods at the moment from  these huge storms.. they are likely to get worse as the oceans warm even more.  Climate change in action.  Climate change deniers .. go stick your heads back in the sand.. do not reply to this.. zero tolerance for ignorance.. 

Watch out for that terrible “Catastrophic Sea Level Rise”

Evidence of Horrible Catastrophic Sea Level Rise.  POSITIVE PROOF ! ! !   LOL   

 La Jolla, California.... 1871:..about 148 years ago.... 
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2c/5b/47/2c5b47b34248fafd909589ea87abc75a.jpg 

La Jolla, California....  recently,   about 148 years later..Is It Underwater?     
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/090207-LaJollaCove.jpg/1200px-090207-LaJollaCove.jpg 
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   Another spot in La Jolla.... 1894.. about 124 years ago..... 
https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/b7/b2/9d/b7b29d8d98c52c4a8b83947edc4cfe53.jpg 

Same Spot Recently....Devastating Sea Level Rise 
https://www.facebook.com/lajollahistory/photos/a.10150751175496670/10156964541376670/?type=3&theater
Something fishy about this horrible sea level rise we're all experiencing..... 
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   Liberty Island, New York - 1898 
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f0/86/c7/f086c710cb7572f908c55229b97e4c47.jpg 

  Liberty Island These Days with horrible sea level rise 
https://p.motionelements.com/stock-video/architecture-buildings/me1986455-liberty-island-united-states-hd-a0005.jpg 
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  Scary Sea Level Rise at Fort Denison, Australia Over the Years. We're Doomed ! 
  https://cairnsnews.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/fort-dennison-sea-levels.jpg 
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  Fort Denison data 'more accurate than satellite' on sea levels 
  https://youtu.be/9mjOmsqIibk 


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[swissie]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

After only 14 years in Isaan I can say yes it is changing, we used to know the exact date to plant rice now it is a lottery.

Scary!

If planting and harvesting become a lottery, agriculture (as we know it), depending on certain patterns of seasonality, will eventually collapse.

[Nyezhov]

9 minutes ago, swissie said:

Longer term the "climate-change" will affect "your weather" in your small corner of the world as well.

Well since all the prognostication on climate change is based on the Mann Hockey Stick Hoax, one has to wonder.

[jingjai9]

Udon Thani flooded in the years 2000 and 2001, both times in July. The city was crippled for nearly a week each year. Taksin sent military troops to help people and distrbute food in 2001.

 

[Aspaltso]

My wife's parents were unable to produce a rice crop in Maha Sarakham Province last year.(First time in their 67 years they remember that happening. In July 2017 1 of these storms coming off of the South China Sea dropped huge flooding rains on Issan(The most rain recorded in the last 40 years, and then just 2 weeks ago a similar storm brought Similar rain totals as that of the July 2017 event. No doubt there is climate change happening and the effects are being felt in Issan.

[Catoni]

27 minutes ago, swissie said:

Longer term the "climate-change" will affect "your weather" in your small corner of the world as well.

     Uhm....you’re kidding. Right? 

 Tell me when Climate and weather does NOT effect every place on the planet.

      Wherever it was you went to school, I would charge them with educational malpractice. 

[wombat]

The Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. But this tilt changes during a cycle , The tilt of the axis varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees. Because this tilt changes, the seasons as we know them become exaggerated

 

 

 

 

[jacnl2000]

Over a period of 25 years, especially this year, i happen to experience at the end of this rain season on some days an inhouse averaged temperature increase of 2.5 degrees Celsius mainly due to lack of cooling rain during the night. In case the sun does not appear during daytime then under these circumstances washed clothes are quite difficult to dry. People using additional technology such as an airco and a dryer probably do not face these kind of problems.




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[robblok]

24 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Well since all the prognostication on climate change is based on the Mann Hockey Stick Hoax, one has to wonder.

Anyone who has to wonder is not really following the news, in my country weather certainly changed. Now people say it changed here too. So I am quite sure weather is changing and becoming more extreme. Its evident. So its not having to wonder its having to wonder how much WE did to cause it and how much is natural. 

[GreasyFingers]

54 minutes ago, Catoni said:

Scary Sea Level Rise at Fort Denison, Australia Over the Years. We're Doomed ! 
  https://cairnsnews.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/fort-dennison-sea-levels.jpg 

Back in the 1990's I was at a conference where there was a greenie telling us about the catastrophic rising sea levels. When asked why Australia was not included in the world wide calculations he refused to answer. The reason was that the Australian land mass, as a whole, was in fact rising, with relative sea levels falling.

[CGW]

59 minutes ago, wombat said:

The Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. But this tilt changes during a cycle , The tilt of the axis varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees. Because this tilt changes, the seasons as we know them become exaggerated.

Please, don't start posting facts! you will ruin peoples day who's lives revolve around the ridiculous notion of short term climate change! 

More facts posted below, again people will choose to ignore! some "scientists" will cherry pick the years that they base their results on which will be published in the media, the media is off course controlled by the "elites" the more they are able to focus peoples attention away from the growing social divide, yes - they are getting richer & the poor - yes - poorer, but better not to focus on this! be scared people!!!!!!!

[swissie]

1 hour ago, Catoni said:

     Uhm....you’re kidding. Right? 

 Tell me when Climate and weather does NOT effect every place on the planet.

      Wherever it was you went to school, I would charge them with educational malpractice. 

Reverse accusation: What school have YOU been attending?  Spill yor guts! Would love to sue your school for "malpractice".

[ToddinChonburi]

What happened to Global cooling ?

[swissie]

1 hour ago, wombat said:

The Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. But this tilt changes during a cycle , The tilt of the axis varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees. Because this tilt changes, the seasons as we know them become exaggerated

 

 

 

 

Absolutely correct! Indisputable. Beyound astronomical questioning. Called preceission.

- It's just that this "cicle"  lasts for 26 thousand years upon re-calibration back to 22.1.

= 26 thousand years. =26'000 years. Let this melt on your tongue "wombat".

Has very little do do with my request of asking "old-folks" in the Isaan concerning "changing weather patterns" during their livetime.

 

[CGW]

18 minutes ago, ToddinChonburi said:

What happened to Global cooling ?

No money in it? 

[Catoni]

1 hour ago, CGW said:

Please, don't start posting facts! you will ruin peoples day who's lives revolve around the ridiculous notion of short term climate change! 

More facts posted below, again people will choose to ignore! some "scientists" will cherry pick the years that they base their results on which will be published in the media, the media is off course controlled by the "elites" the more they are able to focus peoples attention away from the growing social divide, yes - they are getting richer & the poor - yes - poorer, but better not to focus on this! be scared people!!!!!!!

Excellent, well referenced graph. Problem is, the average person including many TV members don’t know how to analyze and read graphs. 

   And then there are the leftist/socialist Warming Alarmists who will simply ignore the graph and attempt to smear it...as leftist/socialists do. 

    Here is the Canadian government’s “climate change” minister Catherine McKenna explaining how they brainwash the people:

 

[CGW]

5 minutes ago, Catoni said:

Problem is, the average person including many TV members don’t know how to analyze and read graphs.

Good point! all the CO2 nonsense is aimed at the indoctrinated working classes, stops them asking other awkward questions, most of whom, it appears have communist traits as if they believe they state ALL should believe or be dammed! ???? 

Rest assured the people who can read a graph and interpret information are not falling for this nonsense, don't believe too many of the worlds billionaires have any intention to vacate their mansions or stop flying their private jets, far easier to indoctrinate the general public through their wholly controlled media propaganda!

Funny how news like this never makes it into the mainstream media  https://maritimebulletin.net/2019/09/04/ship-with-climate-change-warriors-caught-in-ice-warriors-evacuated/

[Catoni]

1 hour ago, swissie said:

Reverse accusation: What school have YOU been attending?  Spill yor guts! Would love to sue your school for "malpractice".

555555 ????????????.  You’re the one who, in silly talk, assumed that climate and weather don’t presently affect my “...corner of the world.” As if climate and weather don’t effect some areas of the world....LOL. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha

    You were not aware that climate and weather always effects every place on the planet, and has been doing so ever since the planet got an atmosphere and water.

    Have you ever done even a cursory study of Paleoclimatology? 

     If you had, you would realize that the present world temperature and rate of change is well within the normal range of natural variability for this planet. 

   As a matter of fact, we are presently in an Ice Age!!!!! 

   That is a fact ! !

     

[Catoni]

1 minute ago, CGW said:

Good point! all the CO2 nonsense is aimed at the indoctrinated working classes, stops them asking other awkward questions, most of whom, it appears have communist traits as if they believe they state ALL should believe or be dammed! ???? 

Rest assured the people who can read a graph and interpret information are not falling for this nonsense, don't believe too many of the worlds billionaires have any intention to vacate their mansions or stop flying their private jets, far easier to indoctrinate the general public through their wholly controlled media propaganda!

Funny how news like this never makes it into the mainstream media  https://maritimebulletin.net/2019/09/04/ship-with-climate-change-warriors-caught-in-ice-warriors-evacuated/

     We just have to be careful of “adjusted” data sets. “Adjusted” graphs and charts. And cherry picked starting points. 

 

    “It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train Running." 
https://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI?t=03 

AOC’s Chief of Staff Admits the Green New Deal Is Not about Climate Change 
Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New Deal is to overhaul the “entire economy.” 
“The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all,” Chakrabarti said to Inslee’s climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. 
“Do you guys think of it as a climate thing?” Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” he added. 


"This Is What Climate Propaganda Looks Like" 
https://youtu.be/ZGuRUO4Wr2o 

"Shameless Sea Level Lies At The L.A. Times" 
https://youtu.be/WenaZWJGTxk 

"Ten Key Graphs Behind the Climate Change Scam" 
https://youtu.be/DJFkMm002Rs 

Denier Land: How Deniers Look at Global Warming 
https://youtu.be/Uif1NwcUgMU 

"Australia Weather Bureau Caught Tampering With Climate Numbers" 

"Climate Change Scientists Caught Tampering With Data to Show Rising Sea 
Levels " 

"NOAA And NASA Corrected Historical Temperature Data And Fabricated 
Temperature Data" 

"NASA Made Efforts To Discredit Their Own Satellite Data" 

"NASA Refused To Give Data And Information Requested By The US 
House Of Representatives Science, Space And Technology Committee" 

"NASA And NOAA Caught In Climate Data Manipulation" 

"NASA Dramatically Altered US Temperatures After The Year 2000" 

"Spectacularly Poor Climate Science At NASA" 

"NASA/NOAA Mislead, Deceive and Lie About 'Hottest Year' Claim  -  Concede 
2014 NOT "Hottest Year" 

"Climate Fraud: NASA's Recent Global Warming "Corrections" Equal a +95.0°C 
Per Century Trend" 
https://www.google.com/#newwindow=1&q=noaa+nasa+caught 
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UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The 
World's Economy 
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used- 
un-promote-economic-agenda/un-promote-economic-agenda/ 

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"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change 
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of- 
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/ 

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U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare - It's Not About Climate Change At All. 
 http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to- destroy-capitalism/ 

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Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare 
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist- admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/ 
  
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United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is 
to Destroy Capitalism 
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02- 
27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE 
 

[MAGA 2020]

7 hours ago, Laza 45 said:

...2 years ago the river and lake by our house flooded.. part of our house was flooded.. the old people said they had never seen anything like that before..  this year it happened again..  These floods were caused by weather systems coming off the Pacific and South China Sea.. coming over from the Philippines.. These storm systems are getting stronger because of warming sea temperatures..   This whole north east area is drained by the Chi river.. originating in the mountains behind Khon Kaen. I flows to Maha Sarakham... where the Pao river from the huge Lam Pao dam enters with flood waters from our area.. it flows to Roi Et and on to Ubon Ratchathani where it joins the Mun River and flows on into the Mekong River.  All these places along this river system have experienced floods 2 years ago and are experiencing huge floods at the moment from  these huge storms.. they are likely to get worse as the oceans warm even more.  Climate change in action.  Climate change deniers .. go stick your heads back in the sand.. do not reply to this.. zero tolerance for ignorance.. 

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