U.S. House to launch Trump impeachment inquiry over Ukraine controversy

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, RideJocky said:

 

Had Biden not obstructed justice by getting a prosecutor fired (and bragging about it) perhaps we’d have some evidence.
 

You clearly don't know anything about what Biden did regarding Ukraine.  You also seem unclear on what "evidence" is.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, RideJocky said:

 

You read different news than I do.

So when’s Nancy calling for a vote?

I’m guessing she won’t.

You actually read news?  I'm shocked!

3 hours ago, RideJocky said:

 

Yes, once it came out that the ruled were changed such that the could expedite the “whistle blower’s” second-hand report they had to scramble...
 

 

Oh, I see; you read conspiracy theory websites that pretend to be news.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, BestB said:

Well you keep saying Biden and Dems are clean, what does that say about you?

 

Biden bragging about how effective he was in implementing US policy and getting an ineffective Prosecutor removed.  Why is this significant?

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, rabas said:

 

Sondland's strong rebuttal suggests otherwise. As if it wasn't the first time he was told his thinking was wrong.

 

Taylor: "As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign,"

 

Sondland: "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The President has been clear no quid pro quo's of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign I suggest we stop the back and forth by text if you still have concerns".

 

"Back and forth", "still have" suggest repeating arguments. Still does not prove the true intent. Maybe 'dual use' policy initiatives. 

Sondland is a rich business man who gave lots of money to Trump's campaign and was rewarded by being made ambassador to the EU.  His strong rebuttal suggests that he realized the messages could be used as evidence if extorting the Ukraine came to light. 

[Jingthing]

From your link:

 

"The third point Volker stresses is that “at no time was I aware of or took part in an effort to urge Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Biden.” He further states that in the text messages he provided, “Vice President Biden was never a topic of discussion.” "

 

  "Volker also said he was not on the July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky at the center of the Democrats’ latest impeachment inquiry and was not aware Biden’s name was dropped until the transcript was released on September 25."

 

Volker's testimony clears him, but not Trump.

Yes.

 

The smoking guns are getting gun-ier and smokier.

 

45's tried and true tricks are not working well this time.

 

No wonder he's panicking. This stuff got very real.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trumps-corruption-is-black-and-white/2019/10/04/f10b289e-e6bf-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

 

Trump’s corruption is black and white

 

THE ROUGH transcript of President Trump’s July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky prompted a debate about whether, in pressing for politicized investigations of alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election and of Joe Biden, Mr. Trump dangled rewards for Mr. Zelensky as a quid pro quo. Inour view, the transcript contained at least a hint that Mr. Trump was linking the “favor” he wanted to arms sales, and clear evidence that he was tying it to a White House invitation.

 

That conclusion is now confirmed. 

 

 

 

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[candide]

27 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Sondland is a rich business man who gave lots of money to Trump's campaign and was rewarded by being made ambassador to the EU.  His strong rebuttal suggests that he realized the messages could be used as evidence if extorting the Ukraine came to light. 

Smart guy. No trace. That's why during another exchange he wrote "call me".

[walt1953]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes.

 

The smoking guns are getting gun-ier and smokier.

 

45's tried and true tricks are not working well this time.

 

No wonder he's panicking. This stuff got very real.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trumps-corruption-is-black-and-white/2019/10/04/f10b289e-e6bf-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

 

Trump’s corruption is black and white

 

THE ROUGH transcript of President Trump’s July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky prompted a debate about whether, in pressing for politicized investigations of alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election and of Joe Biden, Mr. Trump dangled rewards for Mr. Zelensky as a quid pro quo. Inour view, the transcript contained at least a hint that Mr. Trump was linking the “favor” he wanted to arms sales, and clear evidence that he was tying it to a White House invitation.

 

That conclusion is now confirmed. 

 

 

 

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Who is reading Washington Post, New Work Times or Huffington Post and believing in their stuff.?

Watch this video to the end and then you will understand what really happened

 

[walt1953]

15 hours ago, Becker said:

OK then, but this guy begs to differ.

 

Link: Judge Napolitano: Trump's brazen acts of corruption

 

"Judge Napolitano's Chambers: Judge Andrew Napolitano explains how President Trump asking a foreign government or any foreign national to get dirt on a political rival is an impeachable offense."

Watch  this video and tell me who is right?

Oh, you did not see this interview.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, walt1953 said:

Who is reading Washington Post, New Work Times or Huffington Post and believing in their stuff.?

Watch this video to the end and then you will understand what really happened

 

News flash:  The Washington Post and New York Times are far more credible than Glenn Beck.  Also, people who are serious about staying informed don't watch videos, they read.

[heybruce]

10 minutes ago, walt1953 said:

Watch  this video and tell me who is right?

Oh, you did not see this interview.

No serious person watches Tucker Carlson.  I watched enough to see that the guest ignored the fact that the request Trump made would help his Presidential campaign.  That is what made the request illegal.

Edited October 5, 2019 by heybruce

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, walt1953 said:

Who is reading Washington Post, New Work Times or Huffington Post and believing in their stuff.?

Watch this video to the end and then you will understand what really happened

 

Thank you, walt1953!    I've been waiting a long time for someone to make a presentation that shows all of the connections to so many different people and to so many seemingly disparate events in such a clear and concise manner.

 

There's more.  There's much more.  Stephan Halper and Josef Misfud aren't even mentioned here.  Or Christopher Steele.  Or the corrupt politicians here in the U.S. that will eventually be tied in.  Other foreign governments which have a hand because they too suffer from endemic corruption.  Many more players and many more seemingly disparate events will be linked.  And make no mistake, there exists enough documented evidence which will prove it all beyond a shadow of a doubt.  I'll stress documented evidence again.  No conspiracy theories.

 

It took almost a full hour to explain only a portion of what has really been going on and the complexity thus far is enough to make one's head spin.  Small wonder why people can be so doubtful and why it is so difficult for even the posters here on this thread to explain why they believe as they do.  It's too time consuming as most of us have jobs or lives to attend to.

 

There's a few general points from the video which I'd like to make.  Those who made it to the end might have caught an important comment made by Becker.  The timeline that he illustrated with such clarity was sourced by investigation done by individual subscribers.  The MSM will not, I repeat will not, investigate and report these matters.  Think of France's yellow vest movement that has been ongoing now for close to a year.  Why has there been no coverage of this important, ongoing event in the U.S. or the U.K.?  The answers are obvious as is their tactic.  If it's not reported then it's not news and if it's not news then it doesn't exist.  The active role the MSM has been playing in all of this corruption is clear.  I believe that ultimately they will not be spared from their role.

 

No wonder why people have to get their information from other, independent sources, including sources that cannot be named here.  That is a threat to those corrupt who wish that all of this never sees the light of day.  The MSM, which has enjoyed a firm grip on the narrative given to the people, have lost it with the advent of the Internet.  An attempt to maintain control means they must smear and disparage all other sources of information which threaten their ability to maintain narrative control.  Hence, label other sources as conspiracy promoters and therefore unapproved sources of information.  Despite being caught themselves on more occasions than I can count deliberately reporting falsities they seem to still enjoy a status of respectability.

 

The rot goes much deeper and the complexities will be daunting for the common person to first hear.  To those here who believe Trump is stupid I would say that is a fatal flaw to make this assumption.  Trump is the President so think for just a moment of the information he has access to.  The resources he has access to.  He is publicly calling for investigations of the Bidens to be conducted by both the Ukraine and China.  Seems bizarre, does it not, considering the Dems are trying to impeach him over that phone call?  Does anyone with even the slightest amount of common sense believe that he is unaware of whether or not it's legal for him to do so?  But by all means, if you desperately want to believe that Trump is stupid do so at your own risk.

 

And keep in mind, those who scream the loudest have the most to lose.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2019 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

26 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No serious person watches Tucker Carlson.  I watched enough to see that the guest ignored the fact that the request Trump made would help his Presidential campaign.  That is what made the request illegal.

heybruce, are you pretending to be a greater legal expert than Joe diGenova and expect us to value your uneducated opinion over Joe's?  LMAO.  Only a fool would take your input over diGenova's.

Edited October 5, 2019 by Tippaporn

[heybruce]

17 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

heybruce, are you pretending to be a greater legal expert than Joe diGenova and expect us to value your uneducated opinion over Joe's?  LMAO.  Only a fool would take your input over diGenova's.

Here's another legal opinion:

 

" David Sklansky, Stanford Law School: “If it’s not a gross abuse of the power of the presidency—in the language of the Constitution, a ‘high crime or misdemeanor’—to push a foreign leader to pursue a criminal investigation of one of your principal political opponents, it’s hard to say what would constitute an impeachable offense.” https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2019/09/26/very-bad-gross-abuse-nothing-illegal-what-lawyers-are-saying-about-the-trump-ukraine-call/?slreturn=20190905192912

 

I don't know if the phone call by itself constitutes a prosecutable crime, but that doesn't matter.  Abuse of power is an impeachable offense, and holding up aid to another country while asking the President of that country to dig up dirt on an election opponent is an abuse of power.

[heybruce]

37 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Thank you, walt1953!    I've been waiting a long time for someone to make a presentation that shows all of the connections to so many different people and to so many seemingly disparate events in such a clear and concise manner.

 

There's more.  There's much more.  Stephan Halper and Josef Misfud aren't even mentioned here.  Or Christopher Steele.  Or the corrupt politicians here in the U.S. that will eventually be tied in.  Other foreign governments which have a hand because they too suffer from endemic corruption.  Many more players and many more seemingly disparate events will be linked.  And make no mistake, there exists enough documented evidence which will prove it all beyond a shadow of a doubt.  I'll stress documented evidence again.  No conspiracy theories.

 

It took almost a full hour to explain only a portion of what has really been going on and the complexity thus far is enough to make one's head spin.  Small wonder why people can be so doubtful and why it is so difficult for even the posters here on this thread to explain why they believe as they do.  It's too time consuming as most of us have jobs or lives to attend to.

 

There's a few general points from the video which I'd like to make.  Those who made it to the end might have caught an important comment made by Becker.  The timeline that he illustrated with such clarity was sourced by investigation done by individual subscribers.  The MSM will not, I repeat will not, investigate and report these matters.  Think of France's yellow vest movement that has been ongoing now for close to a year.  Why has there been no coverage of this important, ongoing event in the U.S. or the U.K.?  The answers are obvious as is their tactic.  If it's not reported then it's not news and if it's not news then it doesn't exist.  The active role the MSM has been playing in all of this corruption is clear.  I believe that ultimately they will not be spared from their role.

 

No wonder why people have to get their information from other, independent sources, including sources that cannot be named here.  That is a threat to those corrupt who wish that all of this never sees the light of day.  The MSM, which has enjoyed a firm grip on the narrative given to the people, have lost it with the advent of the Internet.  An attempt to maintain control means they must smear and disparage all other sources of information which threaten their ability to maintain narrative control.  Hence, label other sources as conspiracy promoters and therefore unapproved sources of information.  Despite being caught themselves on more occasions than I can count deliberately reporting falsities they seem to still enjoy a status of respectability.

 

The rot goes much deeper and the complexities will be daunting for the common person to first hear.  To those here who believe Trump is stupid I would say that is a fatal flaw to make this assumption.  Trump is the President so think for just a moment of the information he has access to.  The resources he has access to.  He is publicly calling for investigations of the Bidens to be conducted by both the Ukraine and China.  Seems bizarre, does it not, considering the Dems are trying to impeach him over that phone call?  Does anyone with even the slightest amount of common sense believe that he is unaware of whether or not it's legal for him to do so?  But by all means, if you desperately want to believe that Trump is stupid do so at your own risk.

 

And keep in mind, those who scream the loudest have the most to lose.

 

 

 

 

 

So Glenn Beck spent an hour outlining a conspiracy theory for which you have no proof but are sure proof will come out.  Got it.

 

Oh, and you don't think MSM covered the yellow vest movement in France adequately.  How much time did you spend trying to find such coverage?  It took me less than a minute:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-26/macron-loads-2020-budget-with-tax-cuts-to-appease-yellow-vests

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/21/french-police-break-up-yellow-vest-and-black-bloc-protests-in-paris.html

 

https://news.yahoo.com/french-police-break-yellow-vest-protest-tear-gas-195024902.html

 

Regarding:  " And keep in mind, those who scream the loudest have the most to lose. "

 

Has anyone been screaming louder than Donald Trump?

Edited October 5, 2019 by heybruce

[Sujo]

37 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Thank you, walt1953!    I've been waiting a long time for someone to make a presentation that shows all of the connections to so many different people and to so many seemingly disparate events in such a clear and concise manner.

 

There's more.  There's much more.  Stephan Halper and Josef Misfud aren't even mentioned here.  Or Christopher Steele.  Or the corrupt politicians here in the U.S. that will eventually be tied in.  Other foreign governments which have a hand because they too suffer from endemic corruption.  Many more players and many more seemingly disparate events will be linked.  And make no mistake, there exists enough documented evidence which will prove it all beyond a shadow of a doubt.  I'll stress documented evidence again.  No conspiracy theories.

 

It took almost a full hour to explain only a portion of what has really been going on and the complexity thus far is enough to make one's head spin.  Small wonder why people can be so doubtful and why it is so difficult for even the posters here on this thread to explain why they believe as they do.  It's too time consuming as most of us have jobs or lives to attend to.

 

There's a few general points from the video which I'd like to make.  Those who made it to the end might have caught an important comment made by Becker.  The timeline that he illustrated with such clarity was sourced by investigation done by individual subscribers.  The MSM will not, I repeat will not, investigate and report these matters.  Think of France's yellow vest movement that has been ongoing now for close to a year.  Why has there been no coverage of this important, ongoing event in the U.S. or the U.K.?  The answers are obvious as is their tactic.  If it's not reported then it's not news and if it's not news then it doesn't exist.  The active role the MSM has been playing in all of this corruption is clear.  I believe that ultimately they will not be spared from their role.

 

No wonder why people have to get their information from other, independent sources, including sources that cannot be named here.  That is a threat to those corrupt who wish that all of this never sees the light of day.  The MSM, which has enjoyed a firm grip on the narrative given to the people, have lost it with the advent of the Internet.  An attempt to maintain control means they must smear and disparage all other sources of information which threaten their ability to maintain narrative control.  Hence, label other sources as conspiracy promoters and therefore unapproved sources of information.  Despite being caught themselves on more occasions than I can count deliberately reporting falsities they seem to still enjoy a status of respectability.

 

The rot goes much deeper and the complexities will be daunting for the common person to first hear.  To those here who believe Trump is stupid I would say that is a fatal flaw to make this assumption.  Trump is the President so think for just a moment of the information he has access to.  The resources he has access to.  He is publicly calling for investigations of the Bidens to be conducted by both the Ukraine and China.  Seems bizarre, does it not, considering the Dems are trying to impeach him over that phone call?  Does anyone with even the slightest amount of common sense believe that he is unaware of whether or not it's legal for him to do so?  But by all means, if you desperately want to believe that Trump is stupid do so at your own risk.

 

And keep in mind, those who scream the loudest have the most to lose.

 

 

 

 

 

Whats that got to do with what trump did. There is nothing wrong with calling for an investigation. But what is wrong is asking a foreign govt to do it.

[Tippaporn]

26 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Here's another legal opinion:

 

" David Sklansky, Stanford Law School: “If it’s not a gross abuse of the power of the presidency—in the language of the Constitution, a ‘high crime or misdemeanor’—to push a foreign leader to pursue a criminal investigation of one of your principal political opponents, it’s hard to say what would constitute an impeachable offense.” https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2019/09/26/very-bad-gross-abuse-nothing-illegal-what-lawyers-are-saying-about-the-trump-ukraine-call/?slreturn=20190905192912

 

I don't know if the phone call by itself constitutes a prosecutable crime, but that doesn't matter.  Abuse of power is an impeachable offense, and holding up aid to another country while asking the President of that country to dig up dirt on an election opponent is an abuse of power.

That's the one and only point which this impeachment attempt hinges on.  Were Trump's actions solely an attempt to do damage to his political rival?  If not true then all of this goes away.  You and all the other posters here who continually claim that it's true will be sorely disappointed.  Will any of you then come back here and admit you were wrong?

 

Well, I shouldn't say that it "all goes away."  Those players involved who willingly and knowingly promoted another hoax will be held to account.

[walt1953]

12 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Whats that got to do with what trump did. There is nothing wrong with calling for an investigation. But what is wrong is asking a foreign govt to do it.

Why is wrong to ask another president to investigate mess , corruption in their country if is our country is implicated ? He asked and I did not read in transcript that he pressured president of Ukraine or China. HE IS PRESIDENT. He can talk , ask others leaders whatever he wants. Not long time ago ( end of September 2019) president of France Macron flying for New York for climate meeting said that Poland is biggest polluter, blamed for bad air condition in Europe and he appealed to young French to go to Poland to protest.

I never heard about impeaching Macron.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

That's the one and only point which this impeachment attempt hinges on.  Were Trump's actions solely an attempt to do damage to his political rival?  If not true then all of this goes away.  You and all the other posters here who continually claim that it's true will be sorely disappointed.  Will any of you then come back here and admit you were wrong?

 

Well, I shouldn't say that it "all goes away."  Those players involved who willingly and knowingly promoted another hoax will be held to account.

You have a very limited understanding of the breadth of the ongoing impeachment inquiries and an even narrower grasp of the law.

 

Pelosi and Schiff have stated publicly that they have tasked each of the House sitting committees with examining grounds for impeachment.

 

The argument you make is nothing other than a strawman. Yes you can concoct a shallow assumption of the indictment charges and defeat your own assumed charges, but that’s not how any of this will go.

 

 

[chokrai]

Yes Biden and the rest of the corrupt Democrats. Better get used to it more to come. 

[heybruce]

27 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

That's the one and only point which this impeachment attempt hinges on.  Were Trump's actions solely an attempt to do damage to his political rival?  If not true then all of this goes away.  You and all the other posters here who continually claim that it's true will be sorely disappointed.  Will any of you then come back here and admit you were wrong?

 

Well, I shouldn't say that it "all goes away."  Those players involved who willingly and knowingly promoted another hoax will be held to account.

Seems like you are ready to admit that Trump was motivated in part by a desire for electoral advantage.  Can you think of any other reason why events that predated his Presidency and have no impact on current affairs are his top concern regarding Ukraine?

[mtls2005]

Rick Perry, meet bus.

 

Secretary Perry, who will resign by the end of the year, spent considerable time in Ukraine, even pushing hard for his friends (and Trump donors) to join the boards of Ukranian energy companies, like Naftogaz.

 

 

Trump told House Republicans that he made Ukraine call because of Perry: Report

 

Trump told fellow party members "not a lot of people know this but, I didn't even want to make the call," a source who was on the call told the news outlet.

 

"The only reason I made the call was because Rick asked me to. Something about an LNG [liquified natural gas] plant," Trump added. 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464518-trump-told-house-republicans-that-he-made-ukraine-call-because-of

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Rick Perry, meet bus.

 

Secretary Perry, who will resign by the end of the year, spent considerable time in Ukraine, even pushing hard for his friends (and Trump donors) to join the boards of Ukranian energy companies, like Naftogaz.

 

 

Trump told House Republicans that he made Ukraine call because of Perry: Report

 

Trump told fellow party members "not a lot of people know this but, I didn't even want to make the call," a source who was on the call told the news outlet.

 

"The only reason I made the call was because Rick asked me to. Something about an LNG [liquified natural gas] plant," Trump added. 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464518-trump-told-house-republicans-that-he-made-ukraine-call-because-of

 

So that’s what Chokrai was getting at!

 

19 minutes ago, chokrai said:

Yes Biden and the rest of the corrupt Democrats. Better get used to it more to come. 

 

[Scott]

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[mtls2005]

Great Moments In Presidential Speeches:

 

 

FDR: "We have nothing to fear, but fear itself"

 

JFK: "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country"

 

Trump: "Rick Perry made me do it"

[AussieBob18]

The Dems have been trying to bring down Trump since before he was even elected, and they aint stopping now.

 

Pre-election fake sexual harrasment claims = failed.

Dem/CIA abusing FISA Court to commit Illegal spying on Trump Campaign = failed.

Fusion GPS fake Steele Dossier paid for by DNC = failed.

Post-election Trump Tax Return claims = failed.

Fake 2 year Russia Hoax investigation by Mueller = failed.

Kavanaugh fake sexual harrasment claim = failed.

Stormy Daniels fake bribery claim = failed.

Fake Impeachment will fail = IMO true.

Anti-Trumpers will jump on board any new fake anti-Trump claim no matter how ridiculous = true.

Trump will be re-elected in 2020 = IMO true.

 

So why has the Dems taken such a hatred to Trump and why have htey been so intent on getting him out and why have they started 'Impeachment' based on a fake whistleblower send hand account of a call? 

 

Just remember that line in one of the debates: "Because you would be in jail".

And remember what HRC said in a moment of anger on election night: "If that ba****d gets elected we will all hang".

 

Barr is investigating under Trumps direction,  which was only given after the Mueller report was handed down (because to do so before then would be seen as obstruction), and he is going to bring the Dems houses down. 

 

Example:  Nancy Pelosi has been in Congress 32 years and the maximum annual salary as Speaker of the House (her highest level job) is $223,500.  And yet her net worth is $238 Million (declared). 

 

Trump is going to take a look at all of them, but not first. First he is after the hoax perpetrators and the Clintons.

• Loretta Lynch meeting with Bill Clinton on a tarmac before Hillary gets off the hook.
• Hillary obstructing justice by smashing phones and computers despite subpeana to hand over.
• Ukraine donations to the Clinton Foundation - the biggest by far of all countries.
• Bill Clinton receiving $500,000 for a 30 min speech from Russia.

And at the4 same time, he has added the Bidens:

• Biden's son accompanying him to China on Air Force 1 and getting a $1.5 Billion dollar deal from China weeks later.
• Biden's son getting a cushy job on Ukraine Gas Board and Biden getting the prosecutor sacked.

And of course he is gunning for the Obamas - but that will be in his second term with House and Senate in support.

 

So why has this been possible??  What has happenned that is making the Dems panic since Mueller failed?? The election in Ukraine !!  The corrupt President (and his Government) were thrown out in a landslide election in April 2019.  The new President ran on a platform similar to Trump's - nationalism and drain the swamp. He got over 70% of the vote. He has agreed to cooperate with Barr's investigation, and he has re-opened all the previous investigations closed by the previous President (including the Bidens).  He has agreed to investigate and report on all donations made by ther previous Ukraine administration - especially to the Clinton Foundation.  The Dems are in total panic - as are the corrupt GOPs (Romney etc.)  - Trump is coming and there is no Arya to save them  ????

 

It is fantastic to see. The good guys are winning.  Popcorn is constantly cooking:

 

 

 

[mtls2005]

5 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Trump is coming and there is no Arya to save them

 

Uhm, did you actually watch GoT?

 

Comparing Trump to the The Night King seems, well, odd. You do know he was the villain, bent on destroying mankind?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, walt1953 said:

Why is wrong to ask another president to investigate mess , corruption in their country if is our country is implicated ? He asked and I did not read in transcript that he pressured president of Ukraine or China. HE IS PRESIDENT. He can talk , ask others leaders whatever he wants. Not long time ago ( end of September 2019) president of France Macron flying for New York for climate meeting said that Poland is biggest polluter, blamed for bad air condition in Europe and he appealed to young French to go to Poland to protest.

I never heard about impeaching Macron.

Newsflash, Macron is not subject to the US constitution.

 

no trump cannot ask other leaders whatever he wants. There are laws stipulating what he cannot do. 

 

Trump didnt ask anyone to investigate mass corruption, he asked him to investigate biden, a political rival whilst he was withholding aid money.

[AussieBob18]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Newsflash, Macron is not subject to the US constitution.

no trump cannot ask other leaders whatever he wants. There are laws stipulating what he cannot do. 

Trump didnt ask anyone to investigate mass corruption, he asked him to investigate biden, a political rival whilst he was withholding aid money.

No - he asked the President to cooperate with Barr's investigation - including looking into the things Biden said publicly. Sure a bit clumsy (he is Trump) , but he did not ask him to dig up dirt on Biden - he asked him to cooperate with an investigation based upon what Biden said publicly.  Or are you saying anyone who is trying to run for election in 2020 (all of them), cannot be investigated for corruption when they were in Office in 2014 ?? 

 

[Opl]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Whats that got to do with what trump did. There is nothing wrong with calling for an investigation. But what is wrong is asking a foreign govt to do it.

for a patriot like Trump it's not an issue as long as his followers have no other aim than to keep him in the oval office, it's Trump first, not America   

Edited October 6, 2019 by Opl

[stevenl]

30 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

The Dems have been trying to bring down Trump since before he was even elected, and they aint stopping now.

 

Pre-election fake sexual harrasment claims = failed.

Dem/CIA abusing FISA Court to commit Illegal spying on Trump Campaign = failed.

Fusion GPS fake Steele Dossier paid for by DNC = failed.

Post-election Trump Tax Return claims = failed.

Fake 2 year Russia Hoax investigation by Mueller = failed.

Kavanaugh fake sexual harrasment claim = failed.

Stormy Daniels fake bribery claim = failed.

Fake Impeachment will fail = IMO true.

Anti-Trumpers will jump on board any new fake anti-Trump claim no matter how ridiculous = true.

Trump will be re-elected in 2020 = IMO true.

 

So why has the Dems taken such a hatred to Trump and why have htey been so intent on getting him out and why have they started 'Impeachment' based on a fake whistleblower send hand account of a call? 

 

Just remember that line in one of the debates: "Because you would be in jail".

And remember what HRC said in a moment of anger on election night: "If that ba****d gets elected we will all hang".

 

Barr is investigating under Trumps direction,  which was only given after the Mueller report was handed down (because to do so before then would be seen as obstruction), and he is going to bring the Dems houses down. 

 

Example:  Nancy Pelosi has been in Congress 32 years and the maximum annual salary as Speaker of the House (her highest level job) is $223,500.  And yet her net worth is $238 Million (declared). 

 

Trump is going to take a look at all of them, but not first. First he is after the hoax perpetrators and the Clintons.

• Loretta Lynch meeting with Bill Clinton on a tarmac before Hillary gets off the hook.
• Hillary obstructing justice by smashing phones and computers despite subpeana to hand over.
• Ukraine donations to the Clinton Foundation - the biggest by far of all countries.
• Bill Clinton receiving $500,000 for a 30 min speech from Russia.

And at the4 same time, he has added the Bidens:

• Biden's son accompanying him to China on Air Force 1 and getting a $1.5 Billion dollar deal from China weeks later.
• Biden's son getting a cushy job on Ukraine Gas Board and Biden getting the prosecutor sacked.

And of course he is gunning for the Obamas - but that will be in his second term with House and Senate in support.

 

So why has this been possible??  What has happenned that is making the Dems panic since Mueller failed?? The election in Ukraine !!  The corrupt President (and his Government) were thrown out in a landslide election in April 2019.  The new President ran on a platform similar to Trump's - nationalism and drain the swamp. He got over 70% of the vote. He has agreed to cooperate with Barr's investigation, and he has re-opened all the previous investigations closed by the previous President (including the Bidens).  He has agreed to investigate and report on all donations made by ther previous Ukraine administration - especially to the Clinton Foundation.  The Dems are in total panic - as are the corrupt GOPs (Romney etc.)  - Trump is coming and there is no Arya to save them  ????

 

It is fantastic to see. The good guys are winning.  Popcorn is constantly cooking:

 

 

 

One can disagree about what to do, but denying facts and at the same time subscribing to conspiracy theories and take Trump's words for gospel?

 

Posts like this, reasoning like this I really can not comprehend.