Fury of Brexit 'inferno' lays bare a divided United Kingdom

[NanLaew]

13 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

Yorkshire pit villages are famed for their blunt honesty.

They call a spade a spade, unless it’s a shovel.

...or a dark-skinned fellow.

[NanLaew]

9 hours ago, david555 said:

Earlier on Saturday, Philip Hammond, the former chancellor, suggested Johnson was pursuing the interests of financial backers set to gain from a no-deal Brexit, in a major escalation of tensions in the prime minister’s own party.

And of course the obsequious Hammond and those of that ilk are totally devoid of any sort of hand in glove arrangements with similarly connected financial interests.

[david555]

11 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

And of course the obsequious Hammond and those of that ilk are totally devoid of any sort of hand in glove arrangements with similarly connected financial interests.

(Speaking about money interests ?...."similarly connected financial interests.".....)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-jennifer-arcuri-loan-hacker-house-grant

Jennifer Arcuri’s mystery £700,000 loan adds to pressure on Johnson

New revelation about Hacker House entrepreneur as prime minister heads to Tory conference

 

Jennifer Arcuri, the entrepreneur whose friendship with Boris Johnson is the subject of a police watchdog investigation, loaned more than £700,000 to her own fledgling technology company shortly before it won a £100,000 government grant.

It is unclear where the money channelled to Hacker House, a start-up with hardly any income, came from. This adds to the mystery swirling around the American businesswoman before this week’s Tory conference and raises further questions for the government.

 

One person who knew Arcuri was “stunned” to learn that company accounts show her loaning Hacker House £713,354 last year. Other firms set up by Arcuri are in the red or have been dissolved. Her main company, Innotech Network, has negative assets of more than £350,000 and she is reportedly being sued in the US over an unpaid $100,000 student loan.

Edited September 29, 2019 by david555

[NanLaew]

13 minutes ago, david555 said:

(Speaking about money interests ?...."similarly connected financial interests.".....)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-jennifer-arcuri-loan-hacker-house-grant

Jennifer Arcuri’s mystery £700,000 loan adds to pressure on Johnson

New revelation about Hacker House entrepreneur as prime minister heads to Tory conference

 

Jennifer Arcuri, the entrepreneur whose friendship with Boris Johnson is the subject of a police watchdog investigation, loaned more than £700,000 to her own fledgling technology company shortly before it won a £100,000 government grant.

It is unclear where the money channelled to Hacker House, a start-up with hardly any income, came from. This adds to the mystery swirling around the American businesswoman before this week’s Tory conference and raises further questions for the government.

 

One person who knew Arcuri was “stunned” to learn that company accounts show her loaning Hacker House £713,354 last year. Other firms set up by Arcuri are in the red or have been dissolved. Her main company, Innotech Network, has negative assets of more than £350,000 and she is reportedly being sued in the US over an unpaid $100,000 student loan.

It is somewhat predictable that losers will resort to clutching at the Remaining straws.

[david555]

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

It is somewhat predictable that losers will resort to clutching at the Remaining straws.

Yes I can see that ….as Boris get desperate ….

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-invoke-civil-emergency-powers-brexit-deal

[sandyf]

19 hours ago, vogie said:

That was not your first post on the subject, and all of them pointing out leavers, none mentioning remainers, you are clearly trying to blame the leavers for all this bickering that is going on, if Brexit had been delivered I am pretty sure that we would all be living happy and content lives by now, and not trying to point score by finding isolated cases on the internet. This is another pointless post that you posted, is there any rhyme or reason to it, I can find hundreds of remainers on the internet saying some disgusting things, but what good would it do reposting them, none.

 

Always blame others.

I posted high profile news items regarding the effects of inflammatory language and the division that it creates, but you chose it ignore the language aspect and change the context into something that suits your agenda.

I cannot be held responsible if the majority of the high profile news items on the point in question are in any particular direction. The Ellie Cooper post must have been the most widespread item of the week, but not from a politician. Again everything points to you being in favour of this language that has become the norm.

Here is another couple.

 

Nigel Farage was investigated by police after vowing to “take the knife to the pen pushers in Whitehall” after the UK leaves the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-news-latest-investigation-knife-pen-pushers-brexit-a9124286.html

 

John Bercow is expected to convene an emergency meeting of party leaders to stem the use of inflammatory language in Westminster amid growing concerns over the safety of MPs.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/parliament-language-death-threats-john-bercow-boris-johnson-brexit-jo-cox-a9124861.html

 

[sandyf]

22 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

It is somewhat predictable that losers will resort to clutching at the Remaining straws.

The only thing that anyone is clutching at is damage limitation.

As far as Johnson is concerned, that would be his position.

[Duke30]

People voted leave

Establishment are for remain

mix this up together and it comes out a stalemate

 

i believe that a year fro now they will still talk about Brexit and don’t get anywhere.

 

best solution, new elections with stay or leave the EU in mind.

 

sounds simple right?

 

but then again....   the argument is people voted to leave and we should respect that. But you know what? Can you trust your elected politicians to do your bidding?   Guess the answer......

[vogie]

Just now, sandyf said:

I posted high profile news items regarding the effects of inflammatory language and the division that it creates, but you chose it ignore the language aspect and change the context into something that suits your agenda.

I cannot be held responsible if the majority of the high profile news items on the point in question are in any particular direction. The Ellie Cooper post must have been the most widespread item of the week, but not from a politician. Again everything points to you being in favour of this language that has become the norm.

Here is another couple.

 

Nigel Farage was investigated by police after vowing to “take the knife to the pen pushers in Whitehall” after the UK leaves the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-news-latest-investigation-knife-pen-pushers-brexit-a9124286.html

 

John Bercow is expected to convene an emergency meeting of party leaders to stem the use of inflammatory language in Westminster amid growing concerns over the safety of MPs.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/parliament-language-death-threats-john-bercow-boris-johnson-brexit-jo-cox-a9124861.html

 

Do you not know difference between somebody saying something literally or someone using a metaphor, I'm sure you do, but it makes it easy for remainers to dehumanise someone by going on about some innocuous comment that someone has made.

Do you think it is only remainer MPs that have to suffer the threat of death, there are just as many Brexit MPs who are also receiving these threats, why just focus on the remainers, oh I know it helps the remainers to demonize the leavers. When in a corner you twist other posters posts, you seem to know what I'm thinking when you clearly don't.

Do you think that Nigel Farage was being literal when he said that. Do you think that Geoffrey Cox calling someone a "turkey" is really bad and Boris saying the Mays deal was a "surrender document"

Do you think that David Lammy calling the Tories Nazis is fine, or John McDonnell saying about Ester McVey "lynch the b!tch" or Jess Phillips saying she would knife Jeremy Corbyn in the front and not the back is ok. You never mention how bad the disgusting language that the remainers use, any reason Sandy? 

Till you get a little less biased and show more balance I'm finished with you.

Anyway I could murder a cup of tea, oops, what was I thinking to say such a thing.

 

[billd766]

11 hours ago, david555 said:

Michael Savage Policy editor

Sat 28 Sep 2019 17.06 BST

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-backers-benefit-from-no-deal-brexit-inquiry

 

Calls for inquiry into claims Johnson backers benefit from no-deal Brexit

Cabinet secretary urged to look into conflict of interest fears raised by Philip Hammond and Rachel Johnson

 

The UK’s most senior civil servant is under pressure to investigate Boris Johnson’s financial backers following cross-party claims that unnamed individuals stand to benefit from the prime minister’s willingness to pursue a no-deal Brexit.

 

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has written to the cabinet secretary, Sir Mark Sedwill, asking if there may be a conflict of interest in Johnson’s acceptance of support from hedge funds that could gain from an economic shock.

 

Earlier on Saturday, Philip Hammond, the former chancellor, suggested Johnson was pursuing the interests of financial backers set to gain from a no-deal Brexit, in a major escalation of tensions in the prime minister’s own party.Hammond said he was repeating a comment made last week by Rachel Johnson, the prime minister’s sister.

 

more...

Well ain't that a surprise?

 

Who would think that an arch Remainer such as Philip Hammond could do such a thing?

[david555]

12 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Well ain't that a surprise?

 

Who would think that an arch Remainer such as Philip Hammond could do such a thing?

Sure not a surprise after the brother already in a earlier stage distanced him from his brother ….now sister dear  goes to safety .

as normally family knows more from each other …. isn't it ?...5555 lol 

 

Boris is becoming the black sheep of the family now….

 

Edited September 29, 2019 by david555

[nkg]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Do you think that David Lammy calling the Tories Nazis is fine, or John McDonnell saying about Ester McVey "lynch the b!tch" or Jess Phillips saying she would knife Jeremy Corbyn in the front and not the back is ok. You never mention how bad the disgusting language that the remainers use, any reason Sandy? 

 

 

 

Any thoughts on that?

 

Inflammatory language is being used across the political spectrum - not just by Remainers or Leavers.

[nauseus]

16 minutes ago, nkg said:

 

Any thoughts on that?

 

Inflammatory language is being used across the political spectrum - not just by Remainers or Leavers.

My thought is that poor language used by remainers has generally been far worse than that of leavers, But unfortunately, bad language from MPs actually in the HoC is that which is mostly highlighted by the media. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Do you not know difference between somebody saying something literally or someone using a metaphor, I'm sure you do, but it makes it easy for remainers to dehumanise someone by going on about some innocuous comment that someone has made.

Do you think it is only remainer MPs that have to suffer the threat of death, there are just as many Brexit MPs who are also receiving these threats, why just focus on the remainers, oh I know it helps the remainers to demonize the leavers. When in a corner you twist other posters posts, you seem to know what I'm thinking when you clearly don't.

Do you think that Nigel Farage was being literal when he said that. Do you think that Geoffrey Cox calling someone a "turkey" is really bad and Boris saying the Mays deal was a "surrender document"

Do you think that David Lammy calling the Tories Nazis is fine, or John McDonnell saying about Ester McVey "lynch the b!tch" or Jess Phillips saying she would knife Jeremy Corbyn in the front and not the back is ok. You never mention how bad the disgusting language that the remainers use, any reason Sandy? 

Till you get a little less biased and show more balance I'm finished with you.

Anyway I could murder a cup of tea, oops, what was I thinking to say such a thing.

 

I thought Geoffrey Cox was awesome. He should get a medal for that sound and truthful verbal thrashing of these flaky opposition parties.

[david555]

John Bercow was in Dutch Talk program "jinek" ENGLISH speaking  interview (video part pops up a few seconds after opening)

 

Edited September 29, 2019 by david555

[wabothai]

On 9/26/2019 at 9:53 PM, Forethat said:

You're not capable of providing an ounce of evidence to support your argument?

Really?

 

Oh dear, how embarrassing.

Ask Dundee, he is well spoken.

[Loiner]

8 hours ago, NanLaew said:

...or a dark-skinned fellow.

Probably was a bit.

[soalbundy]

On 9/27/2019 at 4:33 PM, transam said:

You still don't understand that the UK voted not to be like you....They tried it and don't like it. That is it in a nut shell, and the sooner you understand that the sooner you can relax...????

Not everybody, you are speaking for yourself, considering 27% didn't vote and 48% voted to stay one could say roughly half wanted to stay and half wanted to leave, what it's like now we don't know, the Daily express knows of course.

[transam]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

Not everybody, you are speaking for yourself, considering 27% didn't vote and 48% voted to stay one could say roughly half wanted to stay and half wanted to leave, what it's like now we don't know, the Daily express knows of course.

We have already gone through that stuff a zillion times. You just concentrate on   worrying about your German pension.......????

[soalbundy]

Just now, transam said:

We have already gone through that stuff a zillion times. You just concentrate on   worrying about your German pension.......????

no worries it keeps rolling in, went up 3.2% in July, how's the British pension doing ?

[transam]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

no worries it keeps rolling in, went up 3.2% in July, how's the British pension doing ?

Good for you, and yes I still have a UK pension....But, the exchange rate is cr_p....????

[bannork]

6 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

no worries it keeps rolling in, went up 3.2% in July, how's the British pension doing ?

it's about to become worthless if No Deal goes through.

[Loiner]

it's about to become worthless if No Deal goes through.

Not in the UK it isn’t.

[Slip]

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

Not in the UK it isn’t.

 

If it's a UK state pension it is already pretty well already worthless in the UK.

[sandyf]

On 9/29/2019 at 11:38 AM, vogie said:

Till you get a little less biased and show more balance I'm finished with you.

Try and remember that the next time you are distorting the context of my post.

[bartender100]

On 9/30/2019 at 7:36 AM, soalbundy said:

Not everybody, you are speaking for yourself, considering 27% didn't vote and 48% voted to stay one could say roughly half wanted to stay and half wanted to leave, what it's like now we don't know, the Daily express knows of course.

In a nut shell, this is how we voted

[kingdong]

On 9/28/2019 at 3:35 AM, Airbagwill said:

I see you don't have an argument yet.

What?against stupid?no

[kingdong]

On 9/30/2019 at 7:43 AM, soalbundy said:

no worries it keeps rolling in, went up 3.2% in July, how's the British pension doing ?

You,'re lucky,you,ve got 1.5 million migrants working their socks off to support your ageing workforce

[Loiner]

You,'re lucky,you,ve got 1.5 million migrants working their socks off to support your ageing workforce

There will be a million more if Merkel gets her way.
So long as they have no opportunity to jump ship and sneak into the UK, the EU can keep them all.

[SheungWan]

If it's a UK state pension it is already pretty well already worthless in the UK.

Sure it is.

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