Whistleblower complaint describes White House cover-up on Trump-Ukraine scandal

[Becker]

18 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

That is my opinion.

OK, so you're allowed to express your opinions but not the rest of us. Got it!

 

PS. How's that application to join the mod team going?

[Farangwithaplan]

1 minute ago, BestB said:

Says who? And where did I demand or asked for your answer?

You sound unreasonable and seem to lack any ability to communicate on a level that is satisfying to me. I love this block feature. I wish I found it sooner.

 

[BestB]

1 minute ago, Becker said:

This is the last off topic deflection post I'l  reply to:

 

Do you really think that if the brown-noser William Barr had thought there was anything to the allegations he would not have started investigations?

You have avoided answering this question before and will likely do so again - no surprise there because it completely shreds your tiresome Biden deflections. 

It is again irrelevant what I think. What is relevant is that allegation was made and there is substance there. 

 

Dems ignorance on the matter is in line with Trump bashing for the past 3 years. And previous “blinkers” for 8 years. 

 

If you find it tiresome, you do not need to reply or read it, no one has a gun to your head or a knife to your throat . 

[Becker]

9 minutes ago, BestB said:

How about you do not tell me what I should or should not do?

How about you stop deflecting?

Edited September 27, 2019 by Becker

[BestB]

Just now, Farangwithaplan said:

You sound unreasonable and seem to lack any ability to communicate on a level that is satisfying to me. I love this block feature. I wish I found it sooner.

 

Of course it’s me, just like it’s always trump. Glad to hear you found the block, use it ????

[BestB]

Just now, Becker said:

That's a bit rich coming from you...

Really? How is that? Do explain ????

[Skeptic7]

1 minute ago, Farangwithaplan said:

You sound unreasonable and seem to lack any ability to communicate on a level that is satisfying to me. I love this block feature. I wish I found it sooner.

 

There's a BLOCK feature?!? 

[BobBKK]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They are what the Director of National Intelligence referred to (under oath) as credible, in good faith and submitted in accordance with the law.

But Daddy's a Dem so it's ok IMAGINE if Trump's son was on the board? Dems would be APOPLECTIC with rage but now they are silent - funny that.

[Becker]

1 minute ago, BestB said:

Really? How is that? Do explain ????

Post edited.

[BestB]

6 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

Presumably whatever charges that could be brought against Hillary Clinton or either of the Bidens would be federal charges, would they not? Federal charges arise from the US Justice Dept's regional districts. The US Justice Dept is within the Executive branch of the US Govt. headed by Donald Trump.  So, your questions with regard to why none of the above have been charged with a federal crime might be better directed to the Justice Dept.

Did not realise we were pressing charges here but good to know once again how Trump haters think????

[lannarebirth]

2 minutes ago, BestB said:

Did not realise we were pressing charges here but good to know once again how Trump haters think????

Of course!  If they've broken the law they should be brought to justice.

[Peter Denis]

10 minutes ago, Why Me said:

The whistleblower's allegations are just that, allegations. The only substance we have so far are the notes/transcripts of the call, which show no explicit quid pro quo.

 

This is going to go the way of "Russian collusion".

It's fairly obvious from the context of the conversation they had, that it was quid pro quo.

But even if there would be no quid pro quo (or if that cannot be proven 100%), the FACT remains that Trump asked a foreign government to look into the case of his political opponent. Dumbass Trump even admitted it and it is in the transcript summary.  And that fact in itself is already a crime, and enough to impeach him.

Bringing up the quid pro quo to claim that there is nothing wrong is just a smoke-screen.

 

[Thomas J]

For those of you not familiar with U.S. politics.  The media is extraordinarily biased towards Democrats.  To set the record straight.  Joe Biden took his son Hunter Biden in 2013 aboard AIR FORCE 2, the vice presidential jet to the Ukraine and China.  Following that trip, surprise surprise Hunter Biden gets appointed to the board of directors of Burisma Holdings. a Ukrainian Oil and gas company despite Hunter Biden having ZERO experience in the field.  So Trump is "guilty" of an impeachable offense by suggesting that Ukraine might want to look at the Biden dealings in Ukraine.  With the hypocrisy of the Democrats, they had no problem drafting a letter to the Ukrainian government asking them to investigate Trump in 2018. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/24/democrats-investigation-might-do-more-hurt-biden-than-trump/

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, ballpoint said:

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There was a time when a president like that would have resigned.

And there was a time when he own party would have thrown him out.

But those times are obviously over. Amazing USA. RIP

Trump thinks we should go back even further in time.  Seems a rather drastic way to deal with his treasonous activity, but if that's what he wants...

 

5 hours ago, webfact said:

"You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now."

 

That's a great idea. I hope they have a life video feed when they hang Donald. I am sure at least half the world will watch and celebrate. 

[lannarebirth]

2 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

Of course!  If they've broken the law they should be brought to justice.

I've even got some sympathy for your allegations, but that doesn't have anything to do with the case against Trump.

[BestB]

10 minutes ago, Becker said:

How about you stop deflecting?

Yes, would not want to have anything interfering with Trump bashing.  No matter if relevant or not ????

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, BestB said:

Yes, would not want to have anything interfering with Trump bashing.  No matter if relevant or not ????

Well considering your remarks on biden are false as well as off topic....

 

His son was not on the board when the investigation started. Ukraine govt requested US help with removing the prosecutor. Ukraine govt voted to remove him.

 

This was part of official US policy and done in agreement with the UN, EU, other european nations.

 

The investigation into the company was re opened and found nothing.

 

Trump, on the other hand pressured a foreign govt to investigate a political rival. Asking a foreign govt to interfere is illegal.

 

What he should have done is ask his own justice dept to investigate.

[Silurian]

46 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Chomper, the accusation against Trump specifically involves Biden.  And it involves Biden's quid pro quo to have the Ukrainian prosecutor fired and what his intent behind having him fired was.  Trump has every right to request assistance from foreign governments regarding anti-corruption efforts.  The crux of this scandal is that some are claiming Trump's request to the Ukrainian president was merely to get dirt on a rival political opponent that he is supposedly fearful of (bad) whereas others are claiming Trump's request had nothing to do with removing a political opponent but only to do with anti-corruption efforts.

 

Then why not have an official investigation on Biden? Why the secrecy and behind the door moves?

 

Why did the WH administration use Giuliani instead of official DOJ or State Department employees to look into Biden?

 

Who is paying for Giuliani's time and expenses for looking into Biden? Is Giuliani being paid with US taxpayer money?

 

Why all the lies and cover ups from the White House if the investigation into Biden was on the up and up?

[BestB]

8 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Well considering your remarks on biden are false as well as off topic....

 

His son was not on the board when the investigation started. Ukraine govt requested US help with removing the prosecutor. Ukraine govt voted to remove him.

 

This was part of official US policy and done in agreement with the UN, EU, other european nations.

 

The investigation into the company was re opened and found nothing.

 

Trump, on the other hand pressured a foreign govt to investigate a political rival. Asking a foreign govt to interfere is illegal.

 

What he should have done is ask his own justice dept to investigate.

How are my remarks false? And off topic ? Who is the cause of this entire saga ? 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/24/democrats-investigation-might-do-more-hurt-biden-than-trump/

Edited September 27, 2019 by BestB

[Becker]

52 minutes ago, BestB said:

Yes, would not want to have anything interfering with Trump bashing.  No matter if relevant or not ????

Try reading the topic title. That will tell you that your posts fall in the "..or not" category.

[Hanaguma]

If you take the time to read the actual transcipt of the call, and not the Huffpost redactions, it is clear that Trump was not asking for a favor about the Bidens. He was talking about the Russia investigation. He wanted to get help on finding out how Russian hackers had breached the Democratic Party7s servers and accessed their files. Biden wasn't even mentioned until much later in the call.

 

But that won't stop the hysterical hyenas of the media from howling at the sky.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

For those of you not familiar with U.S. politics.  The media is extraordinarily biased towards Democrats.  To set the record straight.  Joe Biden took his son Hunter Biden in 2013 aboard AIR FORCE 2, the vice presidential jet to the Ukraine and China.  Following that trip, surprise surprise Hunter Biden gets appointed to the board of directors of Burisma Holdings. a Ukrainian Oil and gas company despite Hunter Biden having ZERO experience in the field.  So Trump is "guilty" of an impeachable offense by suggesting that Ukraine might want to look at the Biden dealings in Ukraine.  With the hypocrisy of the Democrats, they had no problem drafting a letter to the Ukrainian government asking them to investigate Trump in 2018. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/24/democrats-investigation-might-do-more-hurt-biden-than-trump/

For those not familiar with the subject of the topic under discussion, you’ll find it at the very top of the thread.

[jany123]

4 hours ago, DoctorG said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcdcrAslurs

 

I know you hate watching videos but you need only go into this one for 90 seconds to hear that the whistleblower based his action on second-hand reports (hearsay).

This is CNN so you cannot complain that you do not like the source, as you usually do.

 

Between 35 and 40 seconds

”I was not a direct witness to most of the events”

So much for that.... thanks for the link ????

[jany123]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Because it's off-topic, you're deflecting and seem to think that repeating mis-truths often enough makes them true.

 

But easy enough to add folks to the Ignore list, so there's always that. BRB.

 

 

The trump tactic of repeating falsehoods add nauseam to obscure the truth and wear down opposition relays on the good people tuning out... or ignoring.

 

if you ignore... you’ve been beaten (unless you fear being provoked to indiscretion... then blocking is warranted... but your posts don’t reflect that level of frustration) 

[candide]

2 hours ago, BestB said:

I do not actually need to do anything . It is alleged he used his position to influence the outcome of investigations into shady dealings of a company where his son was involved .

 

true or not, how and where should be investigated.

 

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

It is also alleged by Trump that Schokin was a "very good" prosecutor. Lol!

Viktor Shokin was widely accused of doing nothing to combat Ukraine's entrenched corruption, by the EU, IMF, USA, etc...

"

The European Union has welcomed the dismissal of Ukraine’s scandal-ridden prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on corruption, even as the country’s political crisis deepened over efforts to form a new ruling coalition and appoint a new prime minister.

Ukraine’s parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Viktor Shokin, ridding the beleaguered prosecutor’s office of a figure who is accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and stymying moves to root out graft."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190

Edited September 27, 2019 by candide

[damascase]

Cartoonist Bas van der Schot’s view in today’s Dutch De Volkskrant:

[spidermike007]

There is a fascinating element to Trump's personality. On the surface he seems quite dim, and with his horrific lack of negotiating skills, one tends to think the same. Same goes for his 30 minute, unscripted rambles. He often comes across as a man who has not read much, does not know much, and does not seem to care. But, when you look at how he is capable to spinning the truth, the diabolical nature of his real intelligence seems to emerge. How he turns an investigation on himself, into a question about the very nature of the whistleblower, for instance. And now?

 

In audio obtained and released by the Los Angeles Times, Trump says: “Who’s the person that gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days, when we were smart, right? The spies and treason? We used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”

 

This is truly fascinating. In many countries, a leader who betrays his country on the level he has betrayed the US, with both the Russian meddling, and this phone call (and perhaps many others we do not know about) would be considered an act of treason, and the perpetrator would be tried, and put to death. Yet, somehow he comes out with the spy stuff. This kind of thing keeps his devotees energized, and many start to repeat the mantra, like parrots. He is a master at this kind of deception, manipulation, and deflection. So, my guess is that he is less dumb than he appears to be. He may actually have an IQ of 100 after all.

[chokrai]

7 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Don't jump the gun just yet, Jingthing.  All the details are not in and there's much more info to come.  LOL

Democrats have been jumping the gun for 3 years and it always comes back and bites them in the ass. They never learn.

[chokrai]

4 hours ago, BestB said:

Can Trump haters explain to me why there is so much outrage about Trump and yet nothing regarding Biden and his interference ?

Because Biden is a Democrat. They are above the law. 

[Farangwithaplan]

59 minutes ago, jany123 said:

The trump tactic of repeating falsehoods add nauseam to obscure the truth and wear down opposition relays on the good people tuning out... or ignoring.

 

if you ignore... you’ve been beaten (unless you fear being provoked to indiscretion... then blocking is warranted... but your posts don’t reflect that level of frustration) 

I understand where you are coming from on this.

 

Since I have found the block function, TV is a much better place. I enjoy commenting and discussing topics of this mature and others. But time has proved that no matter how patiently or how clear one concisely expresses a point, some people with an agenda will attempt railroad onto their own tangent and conspiracies. Then along comes the 'you said - no you said first' and all is lost. If I want that mindless discussion I will talk with my young niece and nephew about their school yard altercations.

 

But you know, this thread is much more rewarding with only posts from people who can intelligently construct a point of position or thought without making it personal or simple rhetoric. Maybe you chould try it the block function and let us know your thoughts. ????

 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2019 by Farangwithaplan