Final proposal - PM Johnson to unveil Brexit offer to EU

[vogie]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

It seems there is a new majority now …. and growing ….. impossible to wipe under the carpet …as a former and present colonial empirial thinking country you sure experienced that already many times and had to give in on that wish 

JAckanory Jackanory.

[david555]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

I cannot be more clearer than this, 'the UK voted to leave the EU' 

Clear enough ….. result ?

[vogie]

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

Of course there is no possibility that your "proof" has past it's sell by date.

All you have is conjecture.

There is no "sell by date" on a once in a lifetime referendum.

[david555]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

JAckanory Jackanory.

Sorry my English is basic , slang  or deep typically English understandings are passing my understanding …., same as my country local lingo or similar to you.....so whatever it means it misses your targeting 

Edited October 6, 2019 by david555

[sandyf]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

told him that already , but he danced away from that ….5555

Yes, I replied to the notification before I saw your post. The brexiteers have no interest in the views of Scotland, they just do not want to be blamed for the demise of the UK.

[sandyf]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

There is no "sell by date" on a once in a lifetime referendum.

Now tell people that Scotland is not under English dictatorship.

[david555]

Just now, sandyf said:

Yes, I replied to the notification before I saw your post. The brexiteers have no interest in the views of Scotland, they just do not want to be blamed for the demise of the UK.

I start understanding they must start feeling desperate as all they can do with that aged majority is ….. none ..!

By their mantra there would even only one in a lifetime G.E. on condition is the one they win …..never another one anymore in future ….

[kingdong]

10 hours ago, oldhippy said:

meps?

Infested?

sounds like something that should be exterminated

 

You said it

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

Sorry my English is basic , slang  or deep typically English understandings are passing my understanding …., same as my country local lingo or similar to you.....so whatever it means it misses your targeting 

Jackanory is London slang for story, we also had a childrens program called Jackanory that told childrens stories, can you see the connection now.

[Thomas J]

Kind of makes you wonder what those countries including the U.K. ever thought when they formed the EU.  Lets have a semblance of a single country where people can travel freely and have those countries who are economically prosperous contribute to those countries too inept or lazy to provide for themselves.  What could possibly go wrong? 

[david555]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Jackanory is London slang for story, we also had a childrens program called Jackanory that told childrens stories, can you see the connection now.

Thanks , so I know a Littlemore , and understanding that that jackanory  program is now  replaced by Farage talk programs 

Edited October 6, 2019 by david555

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Now tell people that Scotland is not under English dictatorship.

Freedom!

[kingdong]

9 hours ago, oldhippy said:

 

 

See, I am able to admit flaws in the EU.

 

then why do you keep insulting the intelligence of the democratic vote and it's result?you don't live in the uk so what is your problem?

[david555]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Freedom!

Even the Mau-Mau did not liked "that kind of freedom " 

Edited October 6, 2019 by david555

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Kind of makes you wonder what those countries including the U.K. ever thought when they formed the EU.  Lets have a semblance of a single country where people can travel freely and have those countries who are economically prosperous contribute to those countries too inept or lazy to provide for themselves.  What could possibly go wrong? 

Many a true word  spoken in jest.

[blackcab]

Several bickering comments have been removed.

 

Your posts should be about the topic, rather than personal comments aimed at those who hold a different opinion to you.

[soalbundy]

On 10/2/2019 at 12:32 PM, johnnybangkok said:

Well that's clear then

Him big professor, no lot lot

[soalbundy]

48 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Now tell people that Scotland is not under English dictatorship.

It stopped most of the men from smearing themselves with blue paint and running around wearing skirts while waving a two handed sword.

[soalbundy]

He isn't going to expose himself is he?

[bert bloggs]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

It stopped most of the men from smearing themselves with blue paint and running around wearing skirts while waving a two handed sword.

You obviously have not been there on a saturday night at throwing out time at the pubs????

[Kwasaki]

On 10/2/2019 at 4:43 AM, webfact said:

"That is why we are coming out of the EU on October 31. Let's get Brexit done - we can, we must and we will."

Well said Boris no more TM con tricks.

[billd766]

13 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Plenty of choice: the Scottish pound / baht / franc / dollar / peso /krown / peseta / roebel / ...... I could go on and on.

I do not really understand your question. What's in a name ?

Ah wait. I understand. You are illitirate when it comes to economics. Like most brexiteers.

Sorry for the long post. 

 

Just a small point for you, illitirate is actually spelled illiterate and Brexiteer has a capital B and not lower case.

 

If Scotland were allowed to join the EU it would need to meet some fairly stringent financial rules, one of which is that they adopt the Euro as the standard currency.

 

I thought that you would have know that as most Brexiteers do. We may seem illiterate to you but most of us do some research if we are not up to date on a subject.

 

The only currency that Scotland will be allowed is the Euro.

 

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/euro/which-countries-use-euro_en

 

How countries join
In order to join the euro area, EU member states are required to fulfil so-called 'convergence criteria'.

These binding economic and legal conditions were agreed in the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 and are also known as 'Maastricht criteria'. All EU Member States, except Denmark and the United Kingdom, are required to adopt the euro and join the euro area, once they are ready to fulfil them.

The Treaty does not specify a particular timetable for joining the euro area, but leaves it to member states to develop their own strategies for meeting the condition for euro adoption.

The European Commission and the European Central Bank jointly decide whether the conditions are met for euro area candidate countries to adopt the euro. After assessing the progress made against the convergence criteria, the two bodies publish their conclusions in respective reports. These are further ratified by the ECOFIN Council in consultation with the Parliament and Heads of State. If favourable, the adoption process can begin.

 

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/euro-area/enlargement-euro-area/convergence-criteria-joining_en

 

Convergence criteria were put in place to measure progress in countries' preparedness to adopt the euro, and are defined as a set of macroeconomic indicators, which focus on:

Price stability
Sound public finances, to ensure they are sustainable
Exchange-rate stability, to demonstrate that a Member State can manage its economy without recourse to excessive currency fluctuations
Long-term interest rates, to assess the durability of the convergence.

 

More............

 

There is a lot more if you can be bothered to research it.

 

Please don't slag off Brexiteers as being stupid If you don't know your subject very well.

You just shot yourself in the foot, again.

Edited October 6, 2019 by billd766
added extra text

[el torro]

2 hours ago, Thomas J said:

Kind of makes you wonder what those countries including the U.K. ever thought when they formed the EU.  Lets have a semblance of a single country where people can travel freely and have those countries who are economically prosperous contribute to those countries too inept or lazy to provide for themselves.  What could possibly go wrong? 

The electorate of the relatively wealthy countries were fooled into believing they were forming a trading partnership.

 

This 'morphed' into something entirely different that enabled those seeking power and wealth to obtain even more power and wealth in conjunction with big business.

Edited October 6, 2019 by el torro

[JAG]

14 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Plenty of choice: the Scottish pound / baht / franc / dollar / peso /krown / peseta / roebel / ...... I could go on and on.

I do not really understand your question. What's in a name ?

Ah wait. I understand. You are illitirate when it comes to economics. Like most brexiteers.

At the risk of being accused of being a spelling NAZI (well I am an English Teacher) perhaps if you are going to accuse others of being "illitirate" (sic), you should really spell it correctly?

 

The third vowel is an "e". Illiterate.

Edited October 6, 2019 by JAG

[transam]

9 minutes ago, JAG said:

At the risk of being accused of being a spelling NAZI (well I am an English Teacher) perhaps if you are going to accuse others of being "illitirate" (sic), you should really spell it correctly?

 

The third vowel is an "e". Illiterate.

Even this Brexiteer has a spell check..????

[JAG]

5 hours ago, david555 said:

It seems there is a new majority now …. and growing ….. impossible to wipe under the carpet …as a former and present colonial empirial thinking country you sure experienced that already many times and had to give in on that wish 

Well now - another post somehow seeking to link the UK's history as a colonising nation with it's current decision to leave the EU. You describe us as a "former and present colonial empirial thinking country". There are no colonies, the few remaining "British Overseas Territories" are just that, because the inhabitants overwhelmingly wish that to be the case. Let us be generous and assume that is also the case for the various French, Dutch, and Spanish possessions.

 

If criticism is to be levelled at the British character, because of what you may perceive as the countries colonial past, then perhaps we should also contemplate the "colonial activities" of three of the EU's founding nations (no names no packdrill); but we might care to consider the use of chemical weapons in the invasion and subjugation of Abyssinia (Ethiopia) in the 1930's, the genocide carried out by the colonial regime in the country which is now called Namibia between 1904 and 1907, which resulted in 75% of the Herero and 50% of the Nama (the two indigenous tribes) being killed, to make room for settlers from the colonial power. Then we can of course look at the appalling way in which the Congo was pillaged over successive generations, estimates of deaths vary but it is widely reckoned to be around the 15 million mark! Just to put that into perspective, that is rather more than the current population of the former colonial power!

 

This is nothing to do with the people of these European nations today I hear you cry. No it is not, but neither is the UK's colonial past (which was arguably less brutal and more beneficial to those colonised) in any way relevant to their decision to vote to leave the EU. So don't attempt to link them please!

 

Unpalatable truths these certainly are, but for as long as you and others persist in such bigoted and frankly racial attacks upon us, then I shall continue to bring them up. 

Edited October 6, 2019 by JAG

[david555]

17 minutes ago, JAG said:

Well now - another post somehow seeking to link the UK's history as a colonising nation with it's current decision to leave the EU. You describe us as a "former and present colonial empirial thinking country". There are no colonies, the few remaining "British Overseas Territories" are just that, because the inhabitants overwhelmingly wish that to be the case. Let us be generous and assume that is also the case for the various French, Dutch, and Spanish possessions.

 

If criticism is to be levelled at the British character, because of what you may perceive as the countries colonial past, then perhaps we should also contemplate the "colonial activities" of three of the EU's founding nations (no names no packdrill); but we might care to consider the use of chemical weapons in the invasion and subjugation of Abyssinia (Ethiopia) in the 1930's, the genocide carried out by the colonial regime in the country which is now called Namibia between 1904 and 1907, which resulted in 75% of the Herero and 50% of the Nama (the two indigenous tribes) being killed, to make room for settlers from the colonial power. Then we can of course look at the appalling way in which the Congo was pillaged over successive generations, estimates of deaths vary but it is widely reckoned to be around the 15 million mark!

 

This is nothing to do with the people of these European nations today I hear you cry. No it is not, but neither is the UK's colonial past (which was arguably less brutal and more beneficial to those colonised) in any way relevant to their decision to vote to leave the EU. So don't attempt to link them please!

 

Unpalatable truths these certainly are, but for as long as you and others persist in such bigoted and frankly racial attacks upon us, then I shall continue to bring them up. 

"the few remaining "British Overseas Territories" are just that,"

 

 

A certain Famous  English writer named Shakespeare  said it already    "What's in a name " ????

And for the remaining thing keep talking as you like , I do not bother with it anyway …. just as the E.U. stops giving your supposed negotiators rope …..as they have nothing serious to put on table ….. it comes slowly to the end faze 

Edited October 6, 2019 by david555

[vogie]

Just now, david555 said:

A certain Famous  English writer named Shakespeare  said it already    "What's in a name "

You mean like King Lear and King Leopold, I would have thought quite a lot really. ????

[JAG]

10 minutes ago, david555 said:

"the few remaining "British Overseas Territories" are just that,"

 

 

A certain Famous  English writer named Shakespeare  said it already    "What's in a name " ????

More properly: "“What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
                          By any other name would smell as sweet.”

 

I confess that I cannot see even the most tenuous connection between Juliet's soliloquy lamenting that Romeo belongs to the rival Montague clan, and the argument we are having, but never mind.

 

 

 

[david555]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

You mean like King Lear and King Leopold, I would have thought quite a lot really. ????

Yes that's the reason our that time government took his private colony from him ,(buying him forced out …) to avoid further atrocities , many have  a bad history from western country's colonization  ….. and some has plenty ….