White House says it will refuse to cooperate with impeachment inquiry

[Opl]

2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

You're easy to offend, I fear for your nerves if he had said:

 

"He was only a good Vice President because he knew how to kiss....

Barack Obama's ass" 

 

Which he did....LOL

and the winning  "sycophant-in-chief is………...."

[J Town]

39 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Sorry, I don't rely on MSM, I follow primary sources, never know if msm will hide them from you folks or not.

Seriously, not kidding or being snide - what sources are you aware of that you trust? I can see a subject that Fox treats one way, MSNBC another, Facebook yet another, Redacted Tonight REAL different. Who do you trust?

[rabas]

34 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Example(s)?

 

For example, twitter feeds of involved/interested people, intelligence people, investigative lawyers, various organizations of people who are involved, whistle-blower orgs, intelligence orgs, legal orgs, it's endless, but since they are talking among themselves there is no spin. MSM has long been useless. These are mostly open  orgs and will have forums. From there you can follow their twitter feeds. Twitter feeds have 'hot' info. You can search for these but it's out of the scope to start list them here.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, rabas said:

 

For example, twitter feeds of involved/interested people, intelligence people, investigative lawyers, various organizations of people who are involved, whistle-blower orgs, intelligence orgs, legal orgs, it's endless, but since they are talking among themselves there is no spin. MSM has long been useless. These are mostly open  orgs and will have forums. From there you can follow their twitter feeds. Twitter feeds have 'hot' info. You can search for these but it's out of the scope to start list them here.

It is a full time job for a team of journalists to follow a story like this using these tools.  Yet you think you have real story based on your part time twitter stuff.

 

Regarding "but since they are talking among themselves there is no spin"; do you really believe the people you follow don't use twitter to spin? 

 

Sorry, I'll stick with professional organizations with reputations to uphold, competition to beat, and a track record of getting things right.

[Becker]

30 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Seems that's what the Dems want for 2020...a sleaze ball with panache.

LOL

Well, it would be an improvement on the sleaze ball with no panache that's currently defiling the WH.

[Becker]

Today's paper:

 

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

[J Town]

2 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

Seems that's what the Dems want for 2020...a sleaze ball with panache.

LOL

You KNOW that's just a troll post. NO one wants that. After last night's Trump rally, where he said the only thing Biden was good for was "kissing Barack Obama's a$$," Republicans don't have a leg to stand on trying to defend this repugnant narcissist. Pay particular attention to the people in the background. Yeah, Trump attracts only the best.

 

 

[stevenl]

20 minutes ago, J Town said:

You KNOW that's just a troll post. NO one wants that. After last night's Trump rally, where he said the only thing Biden was good for was "kissing Barack Obama's a$$," Republicans don't have a leg to stand on trying to defend this repugnant narcissist. Pay particular attention to the people in the background. Yeah, Trump attracts only the best.

 

 

He's at least honest in admitting the Chinese are tough negotiators.

[JHolmesJr]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

You KNOW that's just a troll post. NO one wants that. After last night's Trump rally, where he said the only thing Biden was good for was "kissing Barack Obama's a$$," Republicans don't have a leg to stand on trying to defend this repugnant narcissist. Pay particular attention to the people in the background. Yeah, Trump attracts only the best.

 

The point where you (and your media buddies) get it all wrong is embedded in the above snippet: he was elected precisely for this kind of straight talk. People find it more bearable to listen to off-colour, non PC talk from a man who demonstrates that he is addressing their concerns (illegal immigration, border security etc) and keeping his election promises....rather than listen to the oh-so-polished Washington elite who speak the queen's English, perform their dark deeds behind closed doors and various proxies.... and basically do nothing but feather their own nests.

[bristolboy]

7 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

The point where you (and your media buddies) get it all wrong is embedded in the above snippet: he was elected precisely for this kind of straight talk. People find it more bearable to listen to off-colour, non PC talk from a man who demonstrates that he is addressing their concerns (illegal immigration, border security etc) and keeping his election promises....rather than listen to the oh-so-polished Washington elite who speak the queen's English, perform their dark deeds behind closed doors and various proxies.... and basically do nothing but feather their own nests.

You mean feathering their own nests as in Trump's tax bill? Was that an issue he ran on? No. And that's his major legislative achievement. Actually, he said before he was elected that taxes on the rich weren't high enough. As for that tax bill. Oddly enough it especially favored 2 kinds of business: pass-through corporations and real estate. Even more oddly, Trump own business qualifies on both counts.

Some people think that coarse and abusive language is the same thing as straight talk. You can lie just as easily with a gutter mouth as with a clean one.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, J Town said:

You KNOW that's just a troll post. NO one wants that. After last night's Trump rally, where he said the only thing Biden was good for was "kissing Barack Obama's a$$," Republicans don't have a leg to stand on trying to defend this repugnant narcissist. Pay particular attention to the people in the background. Yeah, Trump attracts only the best.

 

 

Seems like a reasonable description of Biden. I know of nothing that he actually did for 8 years, except say stupid things.

[heybruce]

59 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems like a reasonable description of Biden. I know of nothing that he actually did for 8 years, except say stupid things.

Trump cabinet meetings begin with an obligatory round of kissing Trump's *ss.  So don't you think his *ss kissing comment is somewhat hypocritical?  https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump+first+cabinet+meeting+praise&view=detail&mid=F39E02F12C48D0B13AA5F39E02F12C48D0B13AA5&FORM=VIRE

 

 

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems like a reasonable description of Biden. I know of nothing that he actually did for 8 years, except say stupid things.

 

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

To be fair. What does a vp do. What has pence done?

To be fair, both Biden and Pence did things:

 

Biden implemented US policy by getting an incompetent Ukrainian prosecutor who was impeding corruption investigations fired.

 

Pence attempted to implement Trump policy by lobbying Ukraine to  provide illegal election support for Trump by opening investigations of unfounded conspiracy theories.

[Becker]

Link: Stunning day of setbacks

 

"Trump's losses mount as five federal courts rule against him over impeachment inquiry"

[Becker]

Link: Donald Trump distances himself from Rudy Giuliani: 'He has been my attorney'

 

"President Donald Trump sought Friday to distance himself from attorney Rudy Giuliani, even casting doubts about whether the former New York mayor is still his lawyer.

Asked whether Giuliani remained his personal attorney, Trump said: “I don’t know.”

“I haven't spoken to Rudy,” Trump told reporters as he was leaving the White House for a political rally in Louisiana. “I spoke to him yesterday, briefly. He's a very good attorney and he has been my attorney, yeah sure.”"

 

Watch out Rudy, the bus, the buuu.........oh, too late.

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, Becker said:

Link: Stunning day of setbacks

 

"Trump's losses mount as five federal courts rule against him over impeachment inquiry"

From the link:

"Within moments of each other, a career diplomat began painting a damning portrait of the President's foreign policy to lawmakers just as Trump lost his appeal in a federal appeals court to stop a House subpoena of his tax documents, which he's guarded fiercely since refusing to make them public as a candidate.

Then, in rapid succession, judges in New York, Texas, Washington state and California sided against Trump administration initiatives meant to limit immigrants from entering the country -- both through a physical barrier and by raising the requirements on migrants seeking legal status.

Friday night, the man in charge of executing much of Trump's immigration agenda, acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan, submitted his resignation to the President as the legal setbacks mounted."

[metisdead]

Some off topic trolling posts and replies have been removed. 

[Becker]

 

Link: Giuliani Is Said to Be Under Investigation for Ukraine Work

[Sujo]

The swamp creatures are being found out.

 

Jeez trump has made a complete mess of the US.

[xylophone]

11 minutes ago, Sujo said:

The swamp creatures are being found out.

 

Jeez trump has made a complete mess of the US.

Trump is sick in the head. His sickness is clearly defined. He is a malignant narcissist. Look up the definition of malignant narcissism and you will find a description of Trump.

 

The key to understanding Trump is self. To Trump the world and his self are the same thing. He is loyal only to the promotion of his self. He cares about nothing and nobody else - not his country, not his wife, not the state of the planet, nothing. Only himself. Keep that in mind and everything he does makes perfect sense.

 

Trump lies. He lied on his first day in office, claiming that his inauguration crowd was the biggest ever. Everyone knew it wasn't, but Trump's psychological condition required it to be. So he lied. And he's continued to lie since. Only recently he announced that when he became president the US military, the most potent army the world has ever seen, "had no ammunition".

 

At the same time as he continues to lie he will continue to betray. He requires others to be loyal to him, but he offers no loyalty in return because his psyche will not allow him to. He can be loyal only to himself. He has fired dozens of henchmen who have disagreed with him and thereby threatened his sense of supremacy.

 

Already he is left only with the toadies and the cynics and he will stab them in the back too when necessary.

[Mavideol]

4 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Trump is sick in the head. His sickness is clearly defined. He is a malignant narcissist. Look up the definition of malignant narcissism and you will find a description of Trump.

 

The key to understanding Trump is self. To Trump the world and his self are the same thing. He is loyal only to the promotion of his self. He cares about nothing and nobody else - not his country, not his wife, not the state of the planet, nothing. Only himself. Keep that in mind and everything he does makes perfect sense.

 

Trump lies. He lied on his first day in office, claiming that his inauguration crowd was the biggest ever. Everyone knew it wasn't, but Trump's psychological condition required it to be. So he lied. And he's continued to lie since. Only recently he announced that when he became president the US military, the most potent army the world has ever seen, "had no ammunition".

 

At the same time as he continues to lie he will continue to betray. He requires others to be loyal to him, but he offers no loyalty in return because his psyche will not allow him to. He can be loyal only to himself. He has fired dozens of henchmen who have disagreed with him and thereby threatened his sense of supremacy.

 

Already he is left only with the toadies and the cynics and he will stab them in the back too when necessary.

you could add the BIG lie about Mexico paying for the wall 555

[wayned]

7 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Trump is sick in the head. His sickness is clearly defined. He is a malignant narcissist. Look up the definition of malignant narcissism and you will find a description of Trump.

 

The key to understanding Trump is self. To Trump the world and his self are the same thing. He is loyal only to the promotion of his self. He cares about nothing and nobody else - not his country, not his wife, not the state of the planet, nothing. Only himself. Keep that in mind and everything he does makes perfect sense.

 

Trump lies. He lied on his first day in office, claiming that his inauguration crowd was the biggest ever. Everyone knew it wasn't, but Trump's psychological condition required it to be. So he lied. And he's continued to lie since. Only recently he announced that when he became president the US military, the most potent army the world has ever seen, "had no ammunition".

 

At the same time as he continues to lie he will continue to betray. He requires others to be loyal to him, but he offers no loyalty in return because his psyche will not allow him to. He can be loyal only to himself. He has fired dozens of henchmen who have disagreed with him and thereby threatened his sense of supremacy.

 

Already he is left only with the toadies and the cynics and he will stab them in the back too when necessary.

I would change the word narcissist in the first sentence to psychopath.  He's gone beyond being a narcissist by feeding the Kurds who defeated ISIS fir him to the Turks.

[mtls2005]

One legal analysis of the letter from the White House to Congress...

 

The Cipollone Letter: Trouble in the White House Counsel’s Office

 

White House Counsel Pat Cipollone’s letter to the House leadership, declaring that the president will not cooperate in any impeachment inquiry, is an extraordinary document in more than one respect. As Keith Whittington and Frank Bowman have shown, the letter’s constitutional and “legal” arguments are baseless. It misrepresents the constitutional law and precedent that it is pleading on the president’s behalf. On the merits, it is an exceptionally weak performance. Add to this another deficiency: its glaring failure to effectively represent the institutional interests of the presidency.

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/cipollone-letter-trouble-white-house-counsels-office

[thaibeachlovers]

To all those that so obviously want Trump gone, be careful what you wish for, unintended consequences and all that.

[Jingthing]

He will be impeached and he should be impeached as he has basically impeached himself with his obstruction of congress (as per this topic -- refusing to cooperate). Do Americans want an "elected dictator" style of presidency as described by Zakaria or a constitutionally constrained American president that respects shared powers? This isn't only about 45. This isn't only about Ukrainegate. This is about the future of the American democracy.

 

 

 

 

Quote

Fareed Zakaria | Why I now support the impeachment inquiry

 

https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2019/10/11/fareed-zakaria-why-i-now-support-the-impeachment-inquiry/

[bristolboy]

Giuliani bungling gives Biden a new punchline

"In TV appearances, Giuliani has waved around an affidavit signed by the disgraced former prosecutor who swears he was dismissed because of the Burisma investigation. Unmentioned by Giuliani: the affidavit is filed on behalf of a Ukrainian gas magnate, Dmitry Firtash, who is employing two Trump loyalist attorneys to fight extradition to the U.S. in another corruption scheme.

An ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, Firtash lives in Vienna, where Giuliani’s now-indicted associates, Parnas and Fruman, were headed on one-way tickets."

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/13/joe-biden-rudy-giuliani-2020-045163

[Crazy Alex]

On 10/8/2019 at 6:57 PM, Tug said:

Can we all say obstruction?can we all say Donald doesent have a 6 grade understanding of civics?I think Donald just may learn how to drink out of a stainless toilet sink combo!comon Donald bring it on its time to get rid of this clown

Oh please. Democrats have been screeching about obstruction of justice for years now. They still have NADA. Surely you can find some new accusation that hasn't been worn out, yes?

 

Now watch closely... it's all a scam. This *impeachment inquiry* will go nowhere. It'll fizzle out. The *whistleblower* scam is already being poked full of holes.

[metisdead]

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Some troll posts have been removed as well as the replies. 

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Oh please. Democrats have been screeching about obstruction of justice for years now. They still have NADA. Surely you can find some new accusation that hasn't been worn out, yes?

 

Now watch closely... it's all a scam. This *impeachment inquiry* will go nowhere. It'll fizzle out. The *whistleblower* scam is already being poked full of holes.

NADA?  They have Trump's former lawyer and former campaign chairman in prison.  They may get his current lawyer in prison.  He may have trouble finding another campaign chairman.

 

Also, Trump keeps making the impeachment easier.  Trump has refused to respond to subpoena's regarding the impeachment inquiry.  Defying subpoenas was the third article of impeachment for Richard Nixon.     https://watergate.info/impeachment/articles-of-impeachment

 

The first article against Nixon also looks relevant to Trump.  Trump has also been fighting in court the release of tax returns and financial information, even though the law is very clear on the matter, and consistently losing.  He appeals after each loss, but will eventually run out of appeals.  Just because Trump has been successful in stalling justice doesn't mean he will succeed in permanently obstructing justice.

 

"The *whistleblower* scam is already being poked full of holes."?  No, but constantly thinking of reasons not to believe the whistle blower report is a popular diversion.  However since the contents of the report have been verified, it's hardly been "poked full of holes".

 

Pardon me for being suspicious, but a newby trying to stir things up by posting and re-posting discredited nonsense strikes me as very trollish.