A kafkaesque Nightmare- The new E Visa System

[Rimmer]

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[Enoon]

 

A wealthy, retired friend of mine, who usually holidays in Thailand for 2-3 months, has rejected the idea of staying for more than 30 days this year.

 

Purely out of indignation at the intrusive demands for bank statements.

 

Wealthy, retired, bona fide, grade A, guaranteed.........tourist.

 

How many more like him?

 

Well done Ministry of Dissuasion.

 

 

Edited October 14, 2019 by Enoon

[TeaMonkey]

28 minutes ago, HarrySeaman said:

"I now face the reality that I may have to arrive in the simple visa on arrival, and then overstay for 5 days and pay a fine."

 

Once here you can simply go to the closest Thai Immigration Office and request an extension of stay.  Do it a few days before your visa on arrival expires, and be sure to take your return ticket and passport.

 

That way you won't have an overstay record to complicate your next trip.

 

 

I don't think this is even simple now. Don't you need a copy of your TM30 which might be difficult to get.

[peterb17]

Gosh - the OP decides to father a son - in my view you are totally responsible for the welfare of the child - at any cost.

oops the OP does not seem to be able to fulfil that commitment as he cannot live full time in the Kingdom- shameful  

[Hackney35]

Total shambles!

I saw an old guy in tears at the embassy in London last week cos he couldn’t get his documents to upload and the embassy staff wouldn’t help him.... som na na!

I’m youngish and computer literate and it took me almost a day to complete the e-visa online.

a joke considering you still have to go to the embassy twice like before anyway and they don’t look at the docs until you hand them in on first visit!

either Thailand is the least efficient country ever or they want to make it as hard as possible for Fareng to go there these days.....

[Hackney35]

4 minutes ago, peterb17 said:

Gosh - the OP decides to father a son - in my view you are totally responsible for the welfare of the child - at any cost.

oops the OP does not seem to be able to fulfil that commitment as he cannot live full time in the Kingdom- shameful  

Wind your neck in Jesus 

[Paul944]

I can't find anything for a E-visum on the website of the Thai embassy or consultate in the Netherlands. Only this form http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/contents/files/services-20180315-093549-736429.pdf and go to the consultate before 13:00. Well I will see Friday what happens there.

[Lovethailandelite]

1 minute ago, Paul944 said:

I can't find anything for a E-visum on the website of the Thai embassy or consultate in the Netherlands. Only this form http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/contents/files/services-20180315-093549-736429.pdf and go to the consultate before 13:00. Well I will see Friday what happens there.

Unless it has been recently put in place, the only country's using E visa at this time are China, France and the UK.
https://thaievisa.go.th/Home/

[LivinLOS]

Link this thread the next time someone claims 'none of this effects genuine tourists'. 

[Traubert]

3 hours ago, madmitch said:

I have two friends, regular visitors, who made the decision after looking at what's requred that instead of spending £10,000 each in Thailand this year, they'd fly into Thailand for a short visit and spend the rest of their trip in neighbouring countries.

 

Now, as they fly in and out of BKK, they'll be counted as tourists twice; once on their initial arrival and once on their return!

 

So it's a win for the TAT arrivals figures, but a big loss to their expenditure numbers.

 

 

Another two? Crikey.

 

We must be up around 88 or so 'not coming anymores' now.

[Thaidream]

15 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

Link this thread the next time someone claims 'none of this effects genuine tourists'. 

Why don't people cal the Embassy and ask to speak with the Consul General or the Ambassador and complain to them that the system is not useer friendly. If this waas me- I would be on the phone constantly until they could give me an answer how toget the Visa.  If no one complains to the source- nothing will change.  At the very least- start writing letters addressd to the Thai Ambassador.

[ukrules]

Apparently the e-visa that's been available for Cambodia for years is very straightforward, maybe the Thais should ask for help from their much more accomplished and efficient neighbours when it comes to this.

[Bangkok Barry]

1 hour ago, Hackney35 said:

either Thailand is the least efficient country ever or they want to make it as hard as possible for Fareng to go there these days.....

 

Both. Why is a mystery. While every neighbouring country is making it easier to visit, Thailand is going in the opposite direction. It can only be gross stupidity by those in government, or a definite agenda to rid the country of foreigners. Again, why that should be, only they know.

[andy72]

2 hours ago, nahkit said:

if op can afford the bloody elite visa
he can certainly afford many differing options to throwing his cash away

my bad it was early Thai E visa site????????????????

still visa exempt rail ticket pedang besar (refundable) 
extension to cover 5 extra days 
no fuss no drama

[Bangkok Barry]

11 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Apparently the e-visa that's been available for Cambodia for years is very straightforward, maybe the Thais should ask for help from their much more accomplished and efficient neighbours when it comes to this.

 

Yes. Funny isn't it that a small, poor backwater of a country is far more efficient than Thailand. But, as the Thais constantly demonstrate, they couldn't organise the proverbial p***-up in a brewery (you'd need a visa to enter and fill in a TM30 after you leave).

[Muppet2019]

The Thai consulate in Hull issue a TV within a hour according to their website, don't know where you live it might be a trek but seems the only option for you.

[sanemax]

35 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

Why don't people cal the Embassy and ask to speak with the Consul General or the Ambassador and complain to them that the system is not useer friendly. If this waas me- I would be on the phone constantly until they could give me an answer how toget the Visa.  If no one complains to the source- nothing will change.  At the very least- start writing letters addressd to the Thai Ambassador.

The online visa application is sent straight to Bangkok and nothing to do with the Embassy 

[sanemax]

6 hours ago, dannyh2000uk said:

you will have to fill in name/password and one of those infuriating CAPTCHA  type things.

And its very difficult to work out whether the letters are in capitals or not and getting one letter wrong will make the login fail .

  That seem to deliberately put letters in Capitals  and then make them small in size to fool you 

[Genericnic]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

Apparently the e-visa that's been available for Cambodia for years is very straightforward, maybe the Thais should ask for help from their much more accomplished and efficient neighbours when it comes to this.

Agreed. I've used it a few times and it was very simple. The one for Vietnam was only slightly more complicated.

 

David

[timendres]

2 hours ago, peterb17 said:

Gosh - the OP decides to father a son - in my view you are totally responsible for the welfare of the child - at any cost.

oops the OP does not seem to be able to fulfil that commitment as he cannot live full time in the Kingdom- shameful  

Assume much?

What if his son is an adult?
What if his son is from his home country, and is here working?

What if he needs to work in his home country to earn the money to support his son?

What if he sent 100,000 THB every month to support his son?

What if he is currently paying to put his son through the best university in Thailand?

What if it is not your life to judge.

[Knocker33]

I was talking about this last night. Whilst on a visit to the UK last month  a mate who has been coming here for over twenty years asked me to help him do his visa as he could not get his head around it. I thought no problem but after one hour I had to give up. I have never been so frustrated in all my life. Total and utter nonsense. We both gave up and he is off to Vietnam. Now if he was only Chinese or Indian noproblem. This monkey country deserve to have no tourists. Obviously designed by the same cretins as the tm30 app

Edited October 14, 2019 by Knocker33

[Almer]

E Visa, are you all saying to come as a 2:3 week tourist you have to all these things and not just get at the  booth on arrival ?

[joecoolfrog]

8 hours ago, dannyh2000uk said:

HI Denim, thanks for reply, unfortunately ticket already bought,  and if it wasn't  the site requires the ticket, so almost have to get ticket before you apply.

I really don't want to have to do a run to Cambodia, to cover the overstay, I also don't want me to be logged  on some computer as an " overstayer" because these days, that sort of info  ( now computers are making the decisions more ) can mess things up in the future.

A Kafkaesque nightmare

Mine is a similar story , 20 years travelling to Thailand , no overstays.

For my 2 month visit in December I have decided visa excempt ( ongoing ticket purchased ) and will spend a month in Laos.

Between me and my mate the net loss to Thai businesses will be around 230,000 baht .

[dannyh2000uk]

HI thanks for answers.

Yes aware of extension, but I want to be out somewhere remote having holiday with son, nothing kills a buzz like having to trek to Town to do official  stuff right in the middle of trying to relax.

Finally got its sorted , but remains one of the most infuriating  sessions of my life.

Paid into a kasikorn bank in Thailand, now  have to traipse  into London for personal meeting.

ho hum.

 

[HauptmannUK]

It is not an E-Visa (Electronic Visa). Its a visa application submitted online. With a real E-Visa you complete an online form, upload a photo, and a short time later receive a visa approval document which you show on arrival. At that point you get the visa in your passport.

[joecoolfrog]

7 hours ago, madmitch said:

I have two friends, regular visitors, who made the decision after looking at what's requred that instead of spending £10,000 each in Thailand this year, they'd fly into Thailand for a short visit and spend the rest of their trip in neighbouring countries.

 

Now, as they fly in and out of BKK, they'll be counted as tourists twice; once on their initial arrival and once on their return!

 

So it's a win for the TAT arrivals figures, but a big loss to their expenditure numbers.

 

 

I know those friends lol

[joecoolfrog]

4 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

Link this thread the next time someone claims 'none of this effects genuine tourists'. 

I already made that point in a thread last week. The thing is that it is inconveniencing many who have always played by the rules and used bona fide single entry visas.

[Guest]

From their government website (which ironically, I can easily access via my AVAST VPN)

This may be the problem:

 

 

[joecoolfrog]

4 hours ago, Traubert said:

Another two? Crikey.

 

We must be up around 88 or so 'not coming anymores' now.

Why do you find it amusing that Thailand is making life more difficult for bona fide tourists, who have spent a great deal of money in Thailand over the years ?

[DrPhibes]

10 hours ago, ezzra said:

Sometimes i feel that the i'm living a in one of Franz Kafka stories, having to put up with and face surrealistic and bizarre predicaments and incomprehensible bureaucracies...

Not to mention the people sized cockroaches...