Overstay and no cash advice needed.

[holy cow cm]

The kid needs to learn a lesson. And he needs to never come back here again. Not trustworthy enough to walk the line and doesn’t deserve a holiday in Disneyland. 

[Sticky Wicket]

6 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

The kid needs to learn a lesson. And he needs to never come back here again. Not trustworthy enough to walk the line and doesn’t deserve a holiday in Disneyland. 

He's about to end up in Miseryland!

[esposa]

24 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Suggest your not mums friend at all then and it’s strange your latest info wasn,t in your first post, just a few hours ago? You post so it’s everyone,s business to answer, so sorry if it offends????

The info wasn't available when I originally posted ???? 

 

Why am I not mum's friend...because I refuse to put my family into debt for her son? If I wasn't her friend I wouldn't have posted here or even found this forum to figure out what the options were and I certainly wouldn't have left my warm house to dive to her this evening to go through them all with her ????

[Skallywag]

He must now go south of Bangkok to the seaport at Laem Chabang.  Sneak onto a British freighter and stowaway until home.  Will have to survive on rats and rainwater for 30 days transit time.    

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, esposa said:

The info wasn't available when I originally posted

You aren't on trial here mate.

Do what you can without risk to yourself. 

[esposa]

2 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

He must now go south of Bangkok to the seaport at Laem Chabang.  Sneak onto a British freighter and stowaway until home.  Will have to survive on rats and rainwater for 30 days transit time.    

I'm half tempted to give him this advice but then he was too lazy to go to border hop so the chances of effort from him are slim ????

[Sheryl]

40 minutes ago, esposa said:

Mum is my friend but I'm not in a financial position to help, not that it's any of your business. I really don't like her son, so I'm certainly not going to get into debt to help him.

 

His friends in the UK won't help, he left owning most of them cash. I've since found out a gofundme was set up 2 or 3 days ago, not one person has donated.

 

The police are apparently looking for him, hence his sudden urgency for money to come home. He was apparently accused of theft and the police were informed. He claims he's innocent but he's lost his job and didn't save any cash from the job. 

 

As it stands with the new information there's nothing she can do because he's refusing to get advice from the British embassy. He thinks he can turn up at the airport, pay the fine and board the flight home. We don't think that's going to be a option now.

 It will depend on whether they have a warrant out for his arrest. If so yes, might be apprehended at the airport. But if not (i.e. if they are just looking for him to ask some questions) then he could in fact just go to airport and leave as long as he has 20,000 baht for the overstay fine.

 

He sounds like quite a piece of work and from the description is headed for jail sooner or later, a stint in a Thai jail or the IDC might actually be best for him at this juncture.

 

Sounds like best thing you can do is try to support the mother emotionally in not feeling responsible for him. He is an adult and he needs to face the consequences of his actions and choices.

[esposa]

Sheryl you're summery of him is 100% accurate unfortunately. I also agree with you about the stint in a Thai prison and IDC. 

 

We've no idea if the police just want to speak to him or if there's a warrant for his arrest. He isn't the most truthful in the best of circumstances. 

[Matzzon]

I do not understand this. How many people is it that are going to overstay in Thailand and later ask for advice? If a person is going to overstay, at least they could try to plan that with an exit way out. That would only be half as stupid.

So, now he has overstayed and then he need help. He knbow for sure his mothers situation and that she do not have the money to help him. He just posed the question because he thinks it looks better in some kind of way.

Just tell him to do the popular thing. Set up a go fund me and rely on perfectly unknown strangers to take care of his problem, or grow up and take the responsibilities of his actions. Maybe that makes him grow up.

Edited October 17, 2019 by Matzzon

[RichardColeman]

Sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for someone that may have gone to work in Thailand on a tourist visa if you are correct. Deliberately broke the immigration work visa laws, overstayed, and now basically wants a go-fund-page to get out of his own self-made mess. 

He now needs £800 minimum, but could have easily left on time with just a flight for as little as £300 - which Mummy could probably have raised.

But as said above, book flight, and get 20k baht in his pocket - and next time tell him obey the laws.

 

 

[Old Croc]

1 hour ago, esposa said:

Mum is my friend but I'm not in a financial position to help, not that it's any of your business. I really don't like her son, so I'm certainly not going to get into debt to help him.

 

His friends in the UK won't help, he left owning most of them cash. I've since found out a gofundme was set up 2 or 3 days ago, not one person has donated.

 

The police are apparently looking for him, hence his sudden urgency for money to come home. He was apparently accused of theft and the police were informed. He claims he's innocent but he's lost his job and didn't save any cash from the job. 

 

As it stands with the new information there's nothing she can do because he's refusing to get advice from the British embassy. He thinks he can turn up at the airport, pay the fine and board the flight home. We don't think that's going to be a option now.

A pity you didn't give these facts about the guy's real character in the first post. I wouldn't have wasted time reading this far.

[holy cow cm]

How is it the kid doesn’t have the return airfare ticket portion? Aren’t they still good but have to pay a fee change? Or did he mess that up? 

[holy cow cm]

2 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for someone that may have gone to work in Thailand on a tourist visa if you are correct. Deliberately broke the immigration work visa laws, overstayed, and now basically wants a go-fund-page to get out of his own self-made mess. 

He now needs £800 minimum, but could have easily left on time with just a flight for as little as £300 - which Mummy could probably have raised.

But as said above, book flight, and get 20k baht in his pocket - and next time tell him obey the laws.

 

 

No the kid supposedly needs airfare and the 20,000 baht immigration overstay fee. So what is that in English money, about 1400?

[lupin]

11 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

No the kid supposedly needs airfare and the 20,000 baht immigration overstay fee. So what is that in English money, about 1400?

a little over 800 GBP ... which is what was originally suggested

 

[ChipButty]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

correct, however I think the only logical solution here is for his mum to beg, borrow or sell the TV, sofa & refrigerator …. and then deal with him when he gets back home. 

Maybe she;s sick of subsidizing the tow rag I had a younger brother who was always at it

[ChipButty]

I think I would be reluctant to give him that amount of money in case he did a runner again

[ChipButty]

I dont mean to go of topic but I had a friend who got banged up in that IDC place and he said there is people who have been there years

[Olmate]

50 minutes ago, esposa said:

The info wasn't available when I originally posted ???? 

 

Why am I not mum's friend...because I refuse to put my family into debt for her son? If I wasn't her friend I wouldn't have posted here or even found this forum to figure out what the options were and I certainly wouldn't have left my warm house to dive to her this evening to go through them all with her ????

Yes agree ,the warm house certainly over a friend in need.! You,ve tried your best,that’s the sad part....

[roo860]

Some embassy like Canada will lend the money for the flight if there is no other options. They will make you contact or they will contact the family and friends to try find the funds first. If they need to lend the money you can't leave Canada again until the debt has been repaid.

This lad is from U.K. which is not Canada.

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[overherebc]

10 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

I dont mean to go of topic but I had a friend who got banged up in that IDC place and he said there is people who have been there years

Very possible. You stay in IDC until you pay for a flight home, or somehow get someone to pay for you. The British Embassy will pass on cash from family or friends only, they will not lend you any money.

The airport with 20,000baht and a flight booked is the best way.

Edited October 17, 2019 by overherebc

[cerox]

Really hard situation he brought himself into.

I think the best and least expensive option is to buy the ticket +20k overstay fine and hope he does not get arrested before.

If the mother cannot get a private loan from friends / anyone she knows, because we are not talking about a huge amount of money, she could sell furniture items, car etc. whatever there is - this will raise the money. It is not nice to do that, but surely a better option than being in prison and deportation "tickets" are going to be more expensive.

The friend he stays with in Thailand could be another option.

 

Many people wrote before the British embassy would not lend money. I do not know whether that is accurate, asking for it surely does not hurt. I know of other countries in Europe who will borrow the money for coming back, after that they seize your passport and you will not get a new one until the debt is paid.

[Ventenio]

It's funny when people tell the OP to let the kid learn his lesson, hit rock bottom, and maybe he will grow up that way.   Of course it's easy to say, you don't have to deal with the repercussions.  Let's think about that.  1.  He will probably hate you forever, and this hatred will run deep.  He might want to do anything to get you back for you allowing him to suffer because you wanted to teach him a lesson.  This hatred could easily last a lifetime.......If you decide to let him get arrested, maybe raped in prison, stabbed, whatever.... that's probably rare, but he would blame you for everything.  I just want you to think this through.  I would be very positive with him on emails, and I think this is either a 100 or 0 percent situation.  Either you really try to help him, or you abandon the situation and everyone he is associated with.  This can easily ruin a family.   Yes, he's dumb, it's his fault, and all the above.....but this is a mistake in Thailand and Thai jails are no joke.  Yes, he must grow up, etc......I'm just saying if my mom's boyfriend could have helped me and then let me rot in jail.......imagine that hatred when he comes back.  Sure, call the police and have him arrested and try to destroy his life.....see how that will work out for you.  Have him get beat up in prison for being soo dumb. yea!!  that will help you.  if you love her, you love him.  or you don't.  you think playing a game with his life is smart?  ok, keep us posted if you do.  

[Sheryl]

1 hour ago, esposa said:

Sheryl you're summery of him is 100% accurate unfortunately. I also agree with you about the stint in a Thai prison and IDC. 

 

We've no idea if the police just want to speak to him or if there's a warrant for his arrest. He isn't the most truthful in the best of circumstances. 

 

Given that, is it possible he has made up the whole story and really wants the money for something else (like drugs)?

 

One advantage to working through the British Embassy is that, while they will not provide money, they will be able to verify his situation and actual needs. I find it very suspicious that he refuses to contact them.

[fishtank]

1 hour ago, Ventenio said:

It's funny when people tell the OP to let the kid learn his lesson, hit rock bottom, and maybe he will grow up that way.   Of course it's easy to say, you don't have to deal with the repercussions.  Let's think about that.  1.  He will probably hate you forever, and this hatred will run deep.  He might want to do anything to get you back for you allowing him to suffer because you wanted to teach him a lesson.  This hatred could easily last a lifetime.......If you decide to let him get arrested, maybe raped in prison, stabbed, whatever.... that's probably rare, but he would blame you for everything.  I just want you to think this through.  I would be very positive with him on emails, and I think this is either a 100 or 0 percent situation.  Either you really try to help him, or you abandon the situation and everyone he is associated with.  This can easily ruin a family.   Yes, he's dumb, it's his fault, and all the above.....but this is a mistake in Thailand and Thai jails are no joke.  Yes, he must grow up, etc......I'm just saying if my mom's boyfriend could have helped me and then let me rot in jail.......imagine that hatred when he comes back.  Sure, call the police and have him arrested and try to destroy his life.....see how that will work out for you.  Have him get beat up in prison for being soo dumb. yea!!  that will help you.  if you love her, you love him.  or you don't.  you think playing a game with his life is smart?  ok, keep us posted if you do.  

Do the crime and pay the fine.

Simple.

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, Ventenio said:

but he would blame you for everything.

Not blame himself..... he isn't worth the effort then!

[Genericnic]

4 hours ago, esposa said:

Mum is my friend but I'm not in a financial position to help, not that it's any of your business. I really don't like her son, so I'm certainly not going to get into debt to help him.

 

His friends in the UK won't help, he left owning most of them cash. I've since found out a gofundme was set up 2 or 3 days ago, not one person has donated.

 

The police are apparently looking for him, hence his sudden urgency for money to come home. He was apparently accused of theft and the police were informed. He claims he's innocent but he's lost his job and didn't save any cash from the job. 

 

As it stands with the new information there's nothing she can do because he's refusing to get advice from the British embassy. He thinks he can turn up at the airport, pay the fine and board the flight home. We don't think that's going to be a option now.

He sounds like a fine, upstanding sort. I can't imagine why people are unwilling to bail him out of his situation. ????

 

David

 

[Isaanbiker]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

 

Given that, is it possible he has made up the whole story and really wants the money for something else (like drugs)?

 

One advantage to working through the British Embassy is that, while they will not provide money, they will be able to verify his situation and actual needs. I find it very suspicious that he refuses to contact them.

100 % agreed. I wouldn't believe one word he's saying. 

[esposa]

3 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

How is it the kid doesn’t have the return airfare ticket portion? Aren’t they still good but have to pay a fee change? Or did he mess that up? 

He didn't have a return ticket so he messed that up too.

[esposa]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

 

Given that, is it possible he has made up the whole story and really wants the money for something else (like drugs)?

 

One advantage to working through the British Embassy is that, while they will not provide money, they will be able to verify his situation and actual needs. I find it very suspicious that he refuses to contact them.

In normal circumstances I'd agree with you but I did find a comment from him on a blog when googling basically asking if the embassy would get him home. So I do believe in this instance at least wants to get home rather than <deleted> it up the wall. 

 

For those saying sell sofas, tv's ect, you don't know the family circumstances. The money isn't there, even if the house was stripped bare. £800 might not seem a lot to many but to others it really can be.

 

I do a lot of voluntary work with homeless people, I've known people end up on the streets because they haven't been able to get a couple of hundred quid together.

[Caldera]

What I find shocking is that neither him, nor his mother, nor his mother's friend who posts here have 800 GBP to resolve this situation. Now, I do realize that times are dire in Brexitland, but still, that isn't really a large amount. What if he had had a motorbike accident instead? No insurance, I'd bet.

 

Coming from such a poor background, he probably shouldn't have traveled to a far-away country in the first place. Now that he's there and kind of stuck, I'd try to get to the bottom of that police matter first - if he's wanted, any money spent on a ticket out just goes to waste.