Johnson faces perilous Brexit ratification after deal vote blocked

[SheungWan]

I agree with you
My response was to highlight the only people preventing the bill from potential passing is the government themselves.
There is nothing stopping the government putting a sensible timetable forward for debate except Boris self imposed deadline.

Well maybe. The Govt worried that Parliament will pass amendments it does not agree with and therefore not wanting to support the final substantive motion.

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[sandyf]

16 hours ago, cleopatra2 said:

I agree with you

My response was to highlight the only people preventing the bill from potential passing is the government themselves.

There is nothing stopping the government putting a sensible timetable forward for debate except Boris self imposed deadline.

The comment about being "passed" has come back on them.

 

The Conservative party has been embroiled in a fake news row over social media posts claiming Boris Johnson's Brexit deal had been approved by MPs.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-deal-mps-approve-conservative-twitter-post-tweet-latest-a9169626.html

[david555]

Daniel Boffey in Brussels and Angelique Chrisafis in Paris

Thu 24 Oct 2019 21.23 BST

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/24/eu-could-rethink-brexit-extension-after-latest-johnson-manoeuvre

EU set to put Brexit delay on hold after Johnson's ultimatum

PM’s threat to pull deal if Corbyn rejects general election leaves Brussels in state of flux

 

The EU’s plan to offer the UK an extension until 31 January on Friday is expected to be put on hold after Boris Johnson threatened to pull the Brexit deal if Jeremy Corbyn rejects a general election.

Sources said the dramatic developments in Westminster needed to be fully understood and the choreography in Brussels could change.

Donald Tusk, the European council chairman, had been expected to announce on Friday morning, following a meeting with ambassadors, that the EU27 had accepted the delay requested in a letter reluctantly sent by Johnson last Saturday. But senior EU sources said the developments in London had left the situation in flux. An announcement is expected on Monday or Tuesday.

[SheungWan]

We're now left in the appalling position where there is no possible way to actually leave the EU - as parliament has made it very clear that they have no intention of leaving/the EU has made it clear that they will grant never ending extensions/parliament has no intention of even allowing another GE.
 
A continual state of 'limbo' - which only further damages the UK.

So sorry the Brexiteers cannot bypass Parliament.

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[transam]

3 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

So sorry the Brexiteers cannot bypass Parliament.

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But Parliament can bypass the peoples instructions....

[SheungWan]

But Parliament can bypass the peoples instructions....

Which has not happened. There are absolutely no 'peoples instructions' re no-deal Brexit. The thing to always be vigilant about is the Hard Brexiteer lie that there is such an instruction.

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[transam]

1 minute ago, SheungWan said:

Which has not happened. There are absolutely no 'peoples instructions' re no-deal Brexit. The thing to always be vigilant about is the Hard Brexiteer lie that there is such an instruction.

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Not again, don't you have anything else up your sleeve to fall back on.

There was never a deal or no deal in the referendum vote. It was leave or stay.

 

You know that, yet you keep coming back spouting the same ol' cr_p...????

[evadgib]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

Not again, don't you have anything else up your sleeve to fall back on.

There was never a deal or no deal in the referendum vote. It was leave or stay.

 

You know that, yet you keep coming back spouting the same ol' cr_p...????

Boris would secure 'no deal' next week by threatening to make Farage UKs EU commissioner if they extend ????

[david555]

6 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Boris would secure 'no deal' next week by threatening to make Farage UKs EU commissioner if they extend ????

I believe commissioners are first grilled by the E.U. before accepted ….that's why 2 where not accepted a short time ago ….. so what you think are his chances with his Eu history already ...????

[transam]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

I believe commissioners are first grilled by the E.U. before accepted ….that's why 2 where not accepted a short time ago ….. so what you think are his chances with his Eu history already ...????

You are saying the EU want a "yes" man or lady for the job then...????

[SheungWan]

Not again, don't you have anything else up your sleeve to fall back on.
There was never a deal or no deal in the referendum vote. It was leave or stay.
 
You know that, yet you keep coming back spouting the same ol' cr_p...[emoji849]

Yes. There was nothing about the terms of withdrawal. That is the responsibility of Parliament, not some mythical People's Vote. The cheap trick from the Hard Brexiteers is painting all deals as = remain. Shallow and dishonest.

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[SheungWan]

Boris would secure 'no deal' next week by threatening to make Farage UKs EU commissioner if they extend [emoji1]

About as likely as his appointment as UK Ambassador to the US.

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[david555]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

You are saying the EU want a "yes" man or lady for the job then...????

Exactly ….!! ….OMG. you are improving to understand E.U. now...????

In his case maybe "spray holy water" or "garlic bundles" could help to neutralize the Evil one …. as last resort that "silver bullet..." if slipped thru the grilling  ????

[stevenl]

50 minutes ago, transam said:

Not again, don't you have anything else up your sleeve to fall back on.

There was never a deal or no deal in the referendum vote. It was leave or stay.

 

You know that, yet you keep coming back spouting the same ol' cr_p...????

Yes, there were just the assurances of the leave campaign the UK would stay in the Customs Union.

[transam]

33 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Yes. There was nothing about the terms of withdrawal. That is the responsibility of Parliament, not some mythical People's Vote. The cheap trick from the Hard Brexiteers is painting all deals as = remain. Shallow and dishonest.

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Same ol' record....But at least you got your "hard" on, oooops, I mean in...????

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Same ol' record....But at least you got your "hard" on, oooops, I mean in...????

You can keep on rejecting facts, it doesn't change them.

[transam]

20 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You can keep on rejecting facts, it doesn't change them.

The facts are, we voted to leave. That is a fact, but MP's, the house speaker and a few posters here, do not want that fact implemented because it may upset their own stuff. Fact....

[vogie]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Yes, there were just the assurances of the leave campaign the UK would stay in the Customs Union.

There were many inconsistances In what was said by both sides of the Brexit arguements, but what is not inconsistant is what our leaders told us, they catagorically stated that we would be leaving the single market and the customs union.

[david555]

Shall become Monday as earliest ….maybe later as the Westminster sky could clear up …..Maybe Macron get his way …?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/25/brexit-boris-johnson-pushes-pre-christmas-election-as-eu-meets-to-decide-on-extension-politics-live

Brexit: Barnier says EU unable to decide length of delay due to UK election debate – live news

 

[evadgib]

56 minutes ago, transam said:

The facts are, we voted to leave. That is a fact, but MP's, the house speaker and a few posters here, do not want that fact implemented because it may upset their own stuff. Fact....

A few...?

They've picked up more than the lib dems! ????

[transam]

2 minutes ago, evadgib said:

A few...?

They've picked up more than the lib dems! ????

Perhaps, but like the Lib Dems, no one takes them seriously....????

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, transam said:

The facts are, we voted to leave. That is a fact, but MP's, the house speaker and a few posters here, do not want that fact implemented because it may upset their own stuff. Fact....

It really is time you check a dictionary for the difference between a fact and an opinion.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

The facts are, we voted to leave. That is a fact, but MP's, the house speaker and a few posters here, do not want that fact implemented because it may upset their own stuff. Fact....

It’s a few more people than that.

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

I believe commissioners are first grilled by the E.U. before accepted ….that's why 2 where not accepted a short time ago ….. so what you think are his chances with his Eu history already ...????

If BJ were to take my tongue-in-cheek suggestion seriously he won't be asking the EU he'll be telling them.

[evadgib]

21 minutes ago, transam said:

Perhaps, but like the Lib Dems, no one takes them seriously....????

Soubry and Ummuna are bungeed to the chair in the HoP lobby, presumably because all the important players are otherwise engaged.

 

Here's another one:

 

[david555]

more explained the reasons

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/25/michel-barnier-eu-brexit-extension-boris-johnson-election

Barnier: EU not yet able to decide on length of next Brexit extension

Johnson’s threat to pull bill unless there is general election rings alarm bells in Brussels

 

Michel Barnier has said the EU27 has not yet been able to make a decision on the length of the next Brexit delay due to the ongoing debate in the UK over Boris Johnson’s demand for a general election.

Speaking after a two-hour meeting of ambassadors in Brussels, the EU’s chief negotiator said an “excellent” discussion had not concluded with any clear way forward. “No decision,” he said.

It may now take until Monday or Tuesday for the EU to make public its offer on an extension after parliament votes on whether there will be a general election.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It really is time you check a dictionary for the difference between a fact and an opinion.

Don't need one, 17+ million provided the fact that we leave. You, and a few others here, can waffle round it all you like, but you all know the vote was leave.

 

Time for your gang to stop hiding behind your own agenda and respect the vote.

[evadgib]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Don't need one, 17+ million provided the fact that we leave. You, and a few others here, can waffle round it all you like, but you all know the vote was leave.

 

Time for your gang to stop hiding behind your own agenda and respect the vote.

'losers consent'

Without it the winners of the looming GE might as well fit a revolving door @ the supreme court.

[tebee]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Don't need one, 17+ million provided the fact that we leave. You, and a few others here, can waffle round it all you like, but you all know the vote was leave.

 

Time for your gang to stop hiding behind your own agenda and respect the vote.

But this is not how democracy works - You don't completely ignore the views of pretty much half the population.

 

Otherwise the ignored people start protesting about the fact they are being ignored and find ways to block you 

 

The country quickly becomes impossible to govern because of the lack of consent - this is all part of what living in a democracy means - people are still allowed protest and to try every legal means possible to prevent the government implementing measures that will harm them.

 

Consent it not given unbounded by one vote . There lies the way to dictatorship   

[david555]

What is going on in the backrooms ….? E.U. or Number 10 ones  ?

 

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-delays-brexit-extension-decision-11844673

Breaking

EU delays Brexit extension decision

Friday 25 October 2019 11:39, UK

 

Brussels has agreed the need for a Brexit extension but will not make a decision on its length until next week.

The development comes as Boris Johnson pushes to hold a general election on 12 December.

Meanwhile, Downing Street has said if the EU offers a Brexit delay the Government can change the date of departure through secondary legislation, known as a statutory instrument.