Massive tax hike coming for CO2-belching ‘big bikes’

[Chazar]

1 hour ago, Moonlover said:

Bigger bike=bigger engine=more fuel used=more CO² produced.

small bike doing 100kph speed  =8000rpm big  bike at 100kph 2000rpm

[DrTuner]

2 minutes ago, Chazar said:

small bike doing 100kph speed  =8000rpm big  bike at 100kph 2000rpm

The amount of CO2 released from the fuel depends on how much fuel is being used and how efficiently. A big engine at 2k rpm might well be less efficent than a small one at 8k. Also wind resistance of the bike, transmission friction and inevitably accelerating, where a big bike is likely to use more energy due to the weight. A bit more complicated than just rpm. Just sayin'.

[Cake Monster]

13 hours ago, fasteddie said:

Ridiculous, Co2 is plant food and has never been the cause of warming, quite the opposite in fact.

Dont they mean Carbon MonOxide

 

 

[Galactus]

“The higher tax on big bikes will not affect most owners since they’re worth more than Bt1 million, which means the owners can afford it.” total <deleted>!

another moronic law which will never benefit Thailand. lots of bikes at 500 k thb at 1000 cc too, not all of them over a million. zero <deleted>..ki...n idea!

and lots of showrooms will close, lots of makers will slide their investment to other countries like Indonesia, Malaysia etc and lots of jobless.

at the end, Thailand will lose more than 700 million baht!

 

environment? wow, i wanna cry. so all those lorries, concrete trucks of rich construction companies belching black smoke all over the cities here day and night and all those factories with no filters and then it is big bikes polluting, huh?

just go tax those rich factory owners and rich construction tycoons if you have courage. apply more tax for rich guys and their mercedes too! anyway they paid 4 million for their Mercedes so can pay an extra 1 million baht too, no? but you cant right?? we all know why ????

such a bs. shift the blame, basically punishing us big bike riders, saying us like: dont ride a big bike.

saying bike bike makers invest here like f o too.

 

what next? extra 20 percent tax for motorbikes for all foreigners living here?  or make it easy, just charge us all foreigners extra 10 percent for all good we buy here?

i really dont surprised to hear this too soon. 

[Yadon Toploy]

8 hours ago, HaoleBoy said:

New laws would get big bikes mostly out of the left most lane which is by far the most dangerous.  Riding on main roads is safer than riding on frontage roads in the left lanes.

Unfortunately, once you take the stupid Somchai factor into consideration, big bikes on highways where again there is little to no enforcement is a recipe for disaster. 

 

Would be great for us big bike riders that know how to ride though.

[Yadon Toploy]

1 hour ago, Galactus said:

shift the blame, basically punishing us big bike riders, saying us like: dont ride a big bike.

saying bike bike makers invest here like f o too.

They have a hard on for big bikes since one hi-so moron decapitated himself and another 13yo lost his leg.

 

They know they can get away with this due to the recent negative publicity.

 

I remember when Thailand used to be a free and fun place to live, now it is rapidly deteriorating into an unrecognisable mess.

[Kinnock]

18 minutes ago, Yadon Toploy said:

They have a hard on for big bikes since one hi-so moron decapitated himself and another 13yo lost his leg.

 

They know they can get away with this due to the recent negative publicity.

 

I remember when Thailand used to be a free and fun place to live, now it is rapidly deteriorating into an unrecognisable mess.

Yes - a few high profile incidents with inexperienced riders on big bikes has made them a populist target.

 

It was the same years ago in UK when mobile phones were the preserve of loud mouthed 'Yuppies' - the Government introduced a phone tax thinking it would be a popular move.

 

But when everybody started to get mobile phones, the tax was not so popular and was quietly scrapped. 

 

Unfortunately with the growing gap between the 0.01% mega-rich and the rest of the Thai people, big bikes will never become popular.

[Crazy Alex]

4 hours ago, Moonlover said:

I really do not understand what all the hoo haa is about. Many countries are adopting the policy of applying greater taxation on higher polluting vehicles. Including many of the developed countries that we come from. Probably all of them.

 

And stands to reason, very logical reason, that the bigger the vehicle, the more the pollution it produces. Hence Bigger bike=bigger engine=more fuel used=more CO² produced.

 

Or is this yet another case of: 'A Thai said it so it must be vilified. whether he's right or not'?

 

 

No, it has nothing to do with what country started it. It's simply a confirmation of what many of us have been saying all along: *climate change* is all about the power to tax and control.

[Paul944]

10 hours ago, MadMuhammad said:

Rich man tax. Plain and simple 

tax the rich 'til there are no rich no more.

[bluejets]

When I went to school it was carbon monoxide that motor vehicles emitted, hence the requirement in many countries for the introduction of catalytic converters.

All carbon dioxide will do is attract a few mosquitos.

[MadMuhammad]

18 minutes ago, Paul944 said:

tax the rich 'til there are no rich no more.

unless your at the top of the heap

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, MadMuhammad said:

unless your at the top of the heap

Which, by *coincidence*, is precisely where *climate change* hustlers have themselves positioned.

[Kinnock]

7 hours ago, Moonlover said:

I really do not understand what all the hoo haa is about. Many countries are adopting the policy of applying greater taxation on higher polluting vehicles. Including many of the developed countries that we come from. Probably all of them.

 

And stands to reason, very logical reason, that the bigger the vehicle, the more the pollution it produces. Hence Bigger bike=bigger engine=more fuel used=more CO² produced.

 

Or is this yet another case of: 'A Thai said it so it must be vilified. whether he's right or not'?

 

 

If this was anything at all do with the environment, then why not increase tax on fuel?  The more you use, the more you pollute, the more you pay.

 

And most big bikes are for occasional weekend trips, so will contribute very little to global warming.  Whereas as a big fat SUV used to deliver one spindly kid to school 6 days a week will produce much more CO2.

 

And how about the millions of taxis driving around with no passengers hunting for fares?  After 1:00 am in Bangkok every night there are huge traffic jams comprised entirely of empty taxis.  

 

This issue is cynical tax collection to help pay for more environmentally friendly tanks, planes and submarines.

[Kinnock]

If I've read the full report properly, there's a wider issue with this new tax?

 

All motorcycles will have higher tax, starting at 3% on 150cc, 5% on the next size (maybe up to 500cc?, then 9% (up to 1000cc?) then 18% for over 1000cc?

 

"The new tax rates can represent 3, 5, 9 or 18 per cent of the purchase value, varying according to CO2 emissions".

 

So they've taxed the sector of Thai society that has the least power, and left tax unchanged for those with influence (owners of imported cars)?

 

It's like a reverse Robin Hood!

[daveAustin]

On 10/27/2019 at 8:17 PM, fasteddie said:

Ridiculous, Co2 is plant food and has never been the cause of warming, quite the opposite in fact.

Derrr. Tell that to the Venusians! 

[sniggie]

Just so long as they leave my collection of two-strokes alone!

[HaoleBoy]

15 hours ago, Yadon Toploy said:

Unfortunately, once you take the stupid Somchai factor into consideration, big bikes on highways where again there is little to no enforcement is a recipe for disaster. 

 

Would be great for us big bike riders that know how to ride though.

Enforcement of what exactly?

I gave specific examples of how new road laws for big bikes would help.

[Yadon Toploy]

8 hours ago, HaoleBoy said:

Enforcement of what exactly?

I gave specific examples of how new road laws for big bikes would help.

Enforcement of any traffic laws is non existent here.

 

Does this really need explaining?

[Kinnock]

On 10/28/2019 at 11:15 PM, Kinnock said:

If I've read the full report properly, there's a wider issue with this new tax?

 

All motorcycles will have higher tax, starting at 3% on 150cc, 5% on the next size (maybe up to 500cc?, then 9% (up to 1000cc?) then 18% for over 1000cc?

 

"The new tax rates can represent 3, 5, 9 or 18 per cent of the purchase value, varying according to CO2 emissions".

 

So they've taxed the sector of Thai society that has the least power, and left tax unchanged for those with influence (owners of imported cars)?

 

It's like a reverse Robin Hood!

- so it's an extra 1000 THB on new bikes under 150cc.

 

And this year there were 1.32 million bikes sold year to date.

 

That's at least an extra 1 Billion THB in tax next year on ordinary working class Thai people to spend on submarines and tanks ...... and we didn't even notice as we were distracted by the 100,000 THB on large bikes.

 

I wonder what Honda and Yamaha think of this new tax?

[RocketDog]

On 10/28/2019 at 6:25 AM, Chazar said:

https://climatechange.ucdavis.edu/news/grasslands-more-reliable-carbon-sink-than-trees/

Grasslands beget rumanants which beget methane. Worse greenhouse gas than CO2.

[DrTuner]

9 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Grasslands beget rumanants which beget methane. Worse greenhouse gas than CO2.

Eventually some turn to forests though and the herbivores move on. This is one part of ecosystem humans can make a real impact in. Get it balanced by planting trees.

[RocketDog]

Just now, DrTuner said:

Eventually some turn to forests though and the herbivores move on. This is one part of ecosystem humans can make a real impact in. Get it balanced by planting trees.

True and trees sequester carbon much longer than grasses since natural decomposition releases CO2 again. Grasses generally brown, fall, and decompose annually, trees don't but deciduous trees drop leaves every year.

 

It's a very complex ecosystem and we blindly f**ked with it to our own detriment if not outright demise.

[jackdd]

On 10/29/2019 at 11:51 PM, Kinnock said:

- so it's an extra 1000 THB on new bikes under 150cc.

 

And this year there were 1.32 million bikes sold year to date.

 

That's at least an extra 1 Billion THB in tax next year on ordinary working class Thai people to spend on submarines and tanks ...... and we didn't even notice as we were distracted by the 100,000 THB on large bikes.

 

I wonder what Honda and Yamaha think of this new tax?

Currently there is already a 2.5% tax on all bikes, they just raise this tax.

So the price for small bikes will increase by about 0.5%

[Kinnock]

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

Currently there is already a 2.5% tax on all bikes, they just raise this tax.

So the price for small bikes will increase by about 0.5%

That's still adding extra tax for the people who can least afford it, and using 'greenwash' to justify a tax on small motorcycles is shameful.