Police say killing of British man on holiday in Phuket is murder

[Bangkok Barry]

3 hours ago, ChipButty said:

I'd also be looking at how he managed to get out of the country and who was involved 

 

It's remarkable, when you consider that police and immigration are the same body. It proves that neither have a computer system that talks to the other, otherwise anyone involved in police action would be flagged up on the border immigration computers.

 

And the same applies to foreigners not paying hospital bills. If the authorities had joined the 21st century then the police and immigration authorities would be linked up and anyone trying to leave the country with an unpaid bill would be stopped, and any long-term residents who had not paid would be refused a new visa or extension.

Perhaps Thailand 4.0 that we read of is actually Thailand 0.4

[Millcx]

4 hours ago, Chazar said:

Oh and there  was me  thinking  he strangled  him by accident, an easy  mistake to make i  guess

They had it down as Suicide

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Murdered in a 5* hotel over noise.

Amazing Thailand, even the wealthy tourists are at risk.

Only from their own though.

[Mitkof Island]

Another criminal foreigner in Thailand. Nothing new thousands more hiding here.

[IAMHERE]

28 minutes ago, HHTel said:

Murder?  You don't say!!  How on earth did they come to that conclusion?

Needed that conclusion in order for an attempt at getting the Norwegians to send his MMA ass back to Thailand, I'd guess.

[Mick501]

If this guy ever comes before a Thai court he'll get 3 weeks for murder + 50 years for exposing failures in the judicial system.

[GroveHillWanderer]

4 hours ago, Chazar said:

Oh and there  was me  thinking  he strangled  him by accident, an easy  mistake to make i  guess

Did you even read the article? It says Bullman was originally "arrested and charged with manslaughter..."

 

This is simply about the police changing the category of the offence from manslaughter to murder. There was never any suggestion that anyone, including the police, thought it was an accident.

[sawadeeken]

He may be 'Brit' but he looks like the 'terrorist type' to me.... 

Someone who makes 'much noise' at 4 AM in a classy hotel....... Also has 'traits' of being a 'terrorist'...... in My Humble Opinion...... 

I have much more sympathy for babies and mothers who die in Thai Hospitals for 'lack of Care'..... 

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Norwegian national Bullman, aged 53, was arrested and charged with manslaughter but went on the run before appearing in court.

Not held on remand until the court hearing?

[NoBrainer]

3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Did you think all Brits were white?

 

They used to be at some point.

[Docno]

What a tragic mess. First story (actually provided by the police!) was that the Sikh Brit had stormed into the Norwegian man's room with a steak knife and that the Norwegian had killed the Brit in self-defense. That clearly did not match evidence (the Brit's room would have shown signs of forced entry and struggle) and eyewitness accounts. That story shifted, with the Norwegian becoming the aggressor. More recently, a story posted this past August portrayed a remorseful Norwegian wandering the streets of Karon while out on bail, and ready to accept his fate of going to a Thai prison for his admitted crime (Google "Norwegian killer accepts he’s going to Thai prison after violent killing of UK man at Phuket hotel"). Now the guy has taken off and disappeared. I guess remorse has an expiry date...

[snowgard]

1 hour ago, intheheartoftheheart said:

Sorry, 4 border checks without a passport? Assume he went through Cambodia?

 

Thailand exit

Cambodia entry

Cambodia exit

Vietnam entry

 

I'd understand sneaking over one border, but 4? Seems impossible.

Why? This countries not have a great wall!!! You can walk over the border in the jungle, swim over rivers, ... or use a boat!!! Nothing difficult!!! ???? ???? ????

[Rimmer]

Troll and off topic removed also replies

[WhatupThailand]

The real point: No Bad Falang News today,

SO drag this story out from August 21, 2019, cause got to have Front Page Bad Falang News.

 

Also shows how anyone with connections, can just skip around SE Asia with no Passport.

Too many Unanswered Questions about this story.
 

 

[kiwikeith]

4 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Let's hope they follow the money trail who was paid off

what we don't know is what evolved in the fight, it might have started as talk and ended up a brawl, manslaughter should be a factor until the full story is known

[yogi100]

4 hours ago, marf said:

If someone was singing on a hotel balcony at 4am, I think it quite likely that at least one of the nearby guests would be disturbed and open the hotel door to go into the corridor before knocking on the door of the person causing the disturbance.

If someone is the type of person who thinks nothing of disturbing others at 4am (perhaps through alcohol, perhaps not) then I think it's likely that a confrontation would ensue, escalating into violence.

 

Perhaps the other guests were heavy sleepers, didn't want to get involved. Someone called the police, I'm sure. I'm also sure that the arrested guy had a story different to what actually happened, maybe claimed self defence and said the other guy attacked him, we don't know...

Apparently this Norwegian was something of an iron bender and did not look like the sort of person any of us would care to take issue with.

 

The Sikh family were unfortunate that they were put next to him and the hotel security should have nipped the Norwegian's drunken behaviour in the bud when it started.

 

What on earth made the Thai authorities think that a foreigner was going to hang about to face justice after he'd just been caught bang to rights killing someone. It was odds on that he was going to try and scarper.

 

If I was a family man I'd think twice about bringing my family to the Land of Smiles.

[ujayujay]

????So the Police say.......but is up to Court to decide l guess!

[Old Croc]

15 minutes ago, snowgard said:

Why? This countries not have a great wall!!! You can walk over the border in the jungle, swim over rivers, ... or use a boat!!! Nothing difficult!!! ???? ???? ????

Not hard to cross borders when they look like this. Laos is on the other side of the creek.

 

 

[tabarin]

2 hours ago, intheheartoftheheart said:

I'd understand sneaking over one border, but 4? Seems impossible.

Well as he was spotted in Hanoi, it would been pretty easy to cross somewhere into Laos. Water is really low / narrow river too.
Then staying there + getting to the VN border is pretty much relaxed, guess to cross into VN somewhere is not too difficult either.

Edited December 6, 2019 by tabarin

[ttrd]

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

You're omitting manslaughter from your choices. And since it looks like it would be manslaughter or murder, a decision not always easy to make, that is important.

Here on TV you may be convicted prior to the crime is committed ...

[atyclb]

4 hours ago, madmitch said:

They should have thought a litle more about this before letting him out on bail.

 

thinking goes against thai culture

[Psimbo]

5 hours ago, ezzra said:

so many question marks with this story, why would anyone sings at 4 am and disturb other guests, how can anyone storm into locked hotel room strangle a man and no one calls for help? and why the police has to take the time and think weather it was a murder, natural death or a suicide?...

Its the 'but I'm on holiday so I can behave like a rectum' defence. ???? 

 

Very annoying for someone like me that lives in what are supposed to be long term apartments only to have some idiot turn up for their ten day break and behave abominably because 'I'm on holiday'. I counter with- 'OK next week when you get home I'll move in next to you for ten days and act like a rectum'. 'But that's different- I'm at home!' 'Is it- I'M ON HOLIDAY'. They usually get the point- I rarely have to go to DEFCON  3..

[Duck J Butters]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Murdered in a 5* hotel over noise.

Amazing Thailand, even the wealthy tourists are at risk.

Lol, dude, the Grand Centara is not a “true” 5 star hotel. It is only 7000 baht / night and for middle class tourists that want to believe they’re high class. If you’re wealthy you stay in places like Anantara Layan Resort ( 60,000 baht / night ) or Trisara or Amanpuri Resort ( 1 million baht / night ). I wouldn’t be caught dead at Centara. It’s a 3 star resort at best. Not all 5 stars are the same in Thailand. It’s easy to bribe the hotel committee to get your hotel rated as a 5 star when it’s a 3 star at best. Better to go by price tag. True 5 star is going to be over 30,000 baht / night.

[intheheartoftheheart]

44 minutes ago, tabarin said:

Well as he was spotted in Hanoi, it would been pretty easy to cross somewhere into Laos. Water is really low / narrow river too.
Then staying there + getting to the VN border is pretty much relaxed, guess to cross into VN somewhere is not too difficult either.

I guess crossing 4 checkpoints is easy? Then what? Say you lost your passport? 

 

I am just wondering how this was facilitated. Someone is likely helping...

[metempsychotic]

  

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4 hours ago, jastheace said:

confused by 'british ' mans name, and Norwegian mans name. maybe why some comments already considered trolling and removed ?

full story not yet revealed.

 

there is always one who cant wrap their head around the fact that different ethnicities can and do hold european passports.

[intheheartoftheheart]

45 minutes ago, tabarin said:

Well as he was spotted in Hanoi, it would been pretty easy to cross somewhere into Laos. Water is really low / narrow river too.
Then staying there + getting to the VN border is pretty much relaxed, guess to cross into VN somewhere is not too difficult either.

Yeah that Laos border photo is nuts. I guess that is how he did it. Crazy.

[metempsychotic]

58 minutes ago, WhatupThailand said:

The real point: No Bad Falang News today,

SO drag this story out from August 21, 2019, cause got to have Front Page Bad Falang News.

 

Also shows how anyone with connections, can just skip around SE Asia with no Passport.

Too many Unanswered Questions about this story.
 

 

if you are going to insist upon using the term, at least get it right.

its farang.

 

F A R A N G

[metempsychotic]

58 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

If I was a family man I'd think twice about bringing my family to the Land of Smiles

odd. i raised a daughter here without issue.

 

thing about random violence is ......

 

its random.

[BritManToo]

14 minutes ago, Duck J Butters said:

Better to go by price tag. True 5 star is going to be over 30,000 baht / night.

As far as I'm concerned everything more than 500bht/night is 5*.

If I had 30kbht/night to spend I'd be in the Seychelles or Mauritius, not Thailand. 

Edited December 6, 2019 by BritManToo

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, yogi100 said:

Apparently this Norwegian was something of an iron bender and did not look like the sort of person any of us would care to take issue with.

 

The Sikh family were unfortunate that they were put next to him and the hotel security should have nipped the Norwegian's drunken behaviour in the bud when it started.

 

What on earth made the Thai authorities think that a foreigner was going to hang about to face justice after he'd just been caught bang to rights killing someone. It was odds on that he was going to try and scarper.

 

If I was a family man I'd think twice about bringing my family to the Land of Smiles.

 

Indeed. The accused is a Martial Arts Expert and worked, IIRC, as a bouncer.

 

I think the hotel security were probably scared. If so they should've called the police. But, as we know, the police here are not the same as most forces, and not the same interests. 

 

IIRC a police officer said they had no worries of him jumping bail as they had his passport - 555!

 

At the end of the day it's two foreigners. No Thai has been injured. Same old story. No real interest and someone in authority needs to really investigate how the accused left Phuket and Thailand whilst on bail. 

 

Reminiscent of the American, who'd previously served time for murder, who kicked an Aussie to death in Pattaya. All went quiet and he was suddenly back home in the US. Or the two rich Chinese-American thugs who severely beat up a young Aussie and never really got punished especially after one's rich dad turned up. 

 

Land of smiles is a lovely place - but keep clear of any trouble and conflict and don't expect justice.