Scott Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 As many of our readers will know, Elon Musk was found not guilty in the case of calling another person 'paedo guy'. The case revolved around whether or not calling someone paedo guy is defamatory. Which of the following best describes your assessment of the case and social media in general. Please feel free to leave a comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 30la Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 Not guilty, not innocent and not crazy, just a very clever business man that know how to make cheap advertising! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PremiumLane Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 How about: Guilty of being part of the billionaire class who think they can treat anyone like cr@p and get away with it 4 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFishman1 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 How about asking for way to many millions 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theonetrueaussie Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 35 minutes ago, PremiumLane said: How about: Guilty of being part of the billionaire class who think they can treat anyone like cr@p and get away with it Didn't Vern insult him first and cause all this....or is it ok for vern to treat others like cr@p and get away with it in your book.... 11 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post allanos Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 The lack of members' interest in this poll speaks volumes! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hugh2121 Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, theonetrueaussie said: Didn't Vern insult him first and cause all this....or is it ok for vern to treat others like cr@p and get away with it in your book.... Or was what Vern said the truth? I haven't seen any reports of Musk denying it. In any case it's no justification for implying he's a paedophile or a "child rapist". 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Troll post removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jobsworth Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 The man is a visionary who will take us all to Mars and ensure the survival of our species. Support him. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fex Bluse Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) Case has been tried and decided. If he would have gone for a reasonable damages claim, maybe I would be more supportive of him. Nearly 200 million dollars is laughable given his life and likely has severely damaged his reputation. It'd be like me asking for a missle strike on the BTS because the train was delayed again today. Preposterous Edited December 9, 2019 by Fex Bluse 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcB Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 49 minutes ago, hugh2121 said: Or was what Vern said the truth? I haven't seen any reports of Musk denying it. In any case it's no justification for implying he's a paedophile or a "child rapist". So speaking "the truth" about someone who comes to offer help, whether that help gets accepted or not, is justification in your mind to openly and unprovoked insult that man on national television? Wow. You should not use social media anymore if it turns you in a cry baby. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MarcB Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, PremiumLane said: How about: Guilty of being part of the billionaire class who think they can treat anyone like cr@p and get away with it Who else did he treat like cr@p then? He only insulted 1 guy, after that guy insulted him first on Television. Something you would like neither if you were to offer any help. Seems you blame him to be wrong just because he has money? Just like Vern was after some money, nothing else 5 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Let's make another survey: Let's say a rich guy would make a deal with you. You sell him the right to call you a pedo-guy, read by millions of people on Twitter and then reprinted all over the world. For how much would you sell that right? Is 1,000 USD enough? Or maybe 10k? Or should anybody be able to call you such names with out any compensation? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UnkleGoooose Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 None of the above. He was guilty, he called the guy a paedo. Musk is an ego gone mad and needs reining in. But I don't agree that social media should be regulated, at all. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, UnkleGoooose said: None of the above. He was guilty, he called the guy a paedo. Musk is an ego gone mad and needs reining in. But I don't agree that social media should be regulated, at all. Social media would become a platform for people to write illegal things , and say things they couldnt say in public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Before voting go read the text messages Unsworth sent where he threatens to make the other divers suffer and calls the Thai Divers Kwai(Buffalo) and talks about how much money he will earn. I think this was the reason the Jury voted not guilty it would have change my mind as well. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy102uk Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Guilty but not $200m guilty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 34 minutes ago, monkfish said: Before voting go read the text messages Unsworth sent where he threatens to make the other divers suffer and calls the Thai Divers Kwai(Buffalo) and talks about how much money he will earn. I think this was the reason the Jury voted not guilty it would have change my mind as well. Please post those text messages on here . Failure for you to post those texts on here , I will assume that you just made that up and the texts dont exist and were never written by Vern . Over to you ............... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post monkfish Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, sanemax said: Please post those text messages on here . Failure for you to post those texts on here , I will assume that you just made that up and the texts dont exist and were never written by Vern . Over to you ............... Ok no problem they are public domain now released in court here's one the rest you can find for here for example or just google for Unsworth Court transcript.https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10161208/elon-musk-british-diver-pedo-guy-texts-cash/ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Artisi Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Fex Bluse said: Case has been tried and decided. If he would have gone for a reasonable damages claim, maybe I would be more supportive of him. Nearly 200 million dollars is laughable given his life and likely has severely damaged his reputation. It'd be like me asking for a missle strike on the BTS because the train was delayed again today. Preposterous Correct, the amount was more than preposterous, there's not enough adjectives in the English language to describe the stupidity of the legal firm representing him. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanemax Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, monkfish said: Ok no problem they are public domain now released in court here's one the rest you can find for here for example or just google for Unsworth Court transcript.https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10161208/elon-musk-british-diver-pedo-guy-texts-cash/ Vern was talking about a film company that wanted to make a film about the rescue . The conversation above had nothing to do with Musk or the Court case , it was a discussion about a Netfix movie and the not too serious remark about the other divers wasnt meant to be literal and he doesnt seem to call them Buffaloes . Anyway , that text above has nothing to do with this thread and nothing to do with the Vern/Musk episode , it was about making a film 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Aren't punitive damages related to the wealth of the offender? 190m is not much if you are worth 26bn (0.73% if you can't be bothered to work it out...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SunsetT Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 To call a man a pedophile is the worst and most permanently damaging insult that is possible. I believe that Musk knows this and knew exactly what he was saying and doing. I am shocked that he has been found not guilty and I feel very very sorry for Vern. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, sanemax said: Vern was talking about a film company that wanted to make a film about the rescue . The conversation above had nothing to do with Musk or the Court case , it was a discussion about a Netfix movie and the not too serious remark about the other divers wasnt meant to be literal and he doesnt seem to call them Buffaloes . Anyway , that text above has nothing to do with this thread and nothing to do with the Vern/Musk episode , it was about making a film The texts prove he was in it for the $$$$$ and a low life not a nice guy and there are several more go see the link i sent he calls them Kwai which is Thai for Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racket Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Suing someone for $190 million for a tweet is what I call crazy. Elon is innocent. Unsworth is guilty because he started the mess. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanemax Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, monkfish said: The texts prove he was in it for the $$$$$ and a low life not a nice guy and there are several more go see the link i sent he calls them Kwai which is Thai for Buffalo. Those texts dont prove that he was in it for the money Those texts shows that he was interested in making money from the film after the event . Of course, if a film company wants to employ you to make a film, of course you are going to ask for financial return . But as those negotiations were well after the rescue, that doesnt prove that Vern only did the rescue for financial return . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwakvfr Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 A jury determines the amount of damages. The amount demanded in the lawsuit is not relevant. If the defamatory term is subject to interpretation then the case is not a strong one. The facts are Musk called Mr. Unsworth a “Pedo” in a tweet. Maybe a different jury in a different location could have come to different verdict. The trial was held in Federal Court in Los Angeles. Not that this is relevant but Musk’s Space X is located in Hawthorne(20 miles south of Court House) and Tesla is located in Northern CA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) All Vern needed to say was that Musk’s plan would have failed, and explained why. I don’t believe Musk did it as a publicity stunt, I think it was a genuine attempt to help. He did not need to insult the guy. Musk’s comments were childish and stupid ... Vern could have dealt with this better than he did. Going into a court in a defamation case is much the same as a casino, and not recommended. Edited December 9, 2019 by AlexRich 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, sanemax said: Those texts dont prove that he was in it for the money Those texts shows that he was interested in making money from the film after the event . Of course, if a film company wants to employ you to make a film, of course you are going to ask for financial return . But as those negotiations were well after the rescue, that doesnt prove that Vern only did the rescue for financial return . Try this one too https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/6/20998428/elon-musk-testimony-vernon-unsworth-tweet-honors-agent Quote Price then went back to Unsworth’s texts. First, we saw one where Unsworth said he’d told film companies to “<deleted> off” for not offering him any money to be interviewed. Then we saw a text where Unsworth called the Thai Navy Seals “kwai,” a Thai word which literally means “buffalo,” but there was some confusion about the slang meaning of the word. It seems to be an insult. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanemax Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, monkfish said: Try this one too https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/6/20998428/elon-musk-testimony-vernon-unsworth-tweet-honors-agent OMG, Vern swore and he called someone a buffalo , thats terrible . Yep, that makes Musk not guilty of accusing him on being Pedo................. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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