British PM Johnson to win a majority of 86: exit poll

[vogie]

The final result has just been announced, St Ives is another victory for the Tories. 

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

You would have been slaves if we had not rescued you from your German friends in WW2

Reading, I supplose the Americans and especially the Soviets did a LOT more. The British let the Polish fight for them and at the end, they were betrayed. See generals Maczek and Sosabowski. 

[elliss]

12 hours ago, nkg said:

 

Funny that he won't answer my posts. Another poster pretending to be British.

 

 

 

    Yep , just another Russian ,   ill educated @ Islington poly ..

 

 

Edited December 13, 2019 by elliss

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, roquefort said:

Absolutely. As we always intended to do when we joined the Common Market, not a bloated, anti-democratic superstate led by unelected bureaucrats.

No rule has ever passed in the EU without the signature of the British representative, in the EU council ( by the British PM, elected by the British voters) or the EU Commission ( by the British commissioner, appointed by the British government) 

In the third cremum, the EU Parliament, also British representatives are elected, like all others by their own voters.

 

No way like in the UK democracy, where the minority can overrule the mayority ( this time: 43,6% of the votes get 56% of the seats = Cons, resp. 11,5% of the votes get only 1,7% of the seats = LibDem resp. 3,9% of the votes get 7,4% of the seats, DUP) ,

Of even.. a part of Parliament is appointed, like the British House of Lords: all unelected. .

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

Do you have any link to your profound statement that it will be a "soft brexit" if you have you know more than all the interviewers and interviewees and all the experts too, I would have thought that Boris the Great doesn't even know his direction on Brexit at this moment in time.

 

Just take time to take in what has happened today, this will go down in history as a very important day for democracy, you have been very privileged to witness the greatness of this day, rejoice!

 

Warning! Cowboy bonus scene - maybe unsuitable for Labour voters.

 

 

[Geordieabroad]

17 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

That negotiation will go well; I can just imagine all the goodwill waiting to be tapped...

 

Then, I guess, all those other negotiations for all those other trade deals just waiting to be had. Hmm.. I wonder how people are going to feel seeing Johnson going cap in hand to Trump for a deal, assuming that Trump is still President.

 

Congrats to those who wanted to leave the EU; it seems that you are going get your wish. 

 

That said, I can't shake the feeling that Brits, or what is left of the UK in 5 years, are going to look back at this day with great sadness. I suspect it'll be known as the day when it all really fell apart.

 

For the sake of my British friends, I sincerely hope that I am wrong, but...

 

 

 

 

Don't worry about it, you are wrong

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

If you press the reset button a longer time you'll be back where you want to be.... Medieval times. 

great...more morris dancing and mead!

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, rott said:

Many, including me, want the trading group but do not want any part of the political union. Bit late in the day I realise.

That is what most people thought the EEC "Common Market" was meant to be. But it never was.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

stepto will get the boot soon ,diane abbot as next labour leader say the tories will do us fine

Your memory is somewhat off. Steptoe was a firm Tory supporter. It was his son Harold who supported Labour.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Your memory is somewhat off. Steptoe was a firm Tory supporter. It was his son Harold who supported Labour.

Also a Steptoe and he had the boots!

[elmrfudd]

any day you see the lefties thumped out of political power is a good day. well done

Edited December 13, 2019 by elmrfudd

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, elliss said:

 

    Yep , just another Russian ,   ill educated @ Islington poly ..

The place you might think of as Islington Poly was never called such. Originally, Polytechnic of North London, now London Metropolitan University. You might want to sneer, but the old Polys, now New Universities have given generations of working class students the opportunity to succeed. And that goes for students throughout the UK.

[SheungWan]

Just now, elmrfudd said:

any day you see the lefties thumped out of political power is a good day. well done

Actually not necessarily so, but in this case yes. The sheer awfulness of what Corbyn represented was too much for most to swallow.

[SheungWan]

5 hours ago, JAG said:

The problem there is that the Unions have something of a stranglehold on the leadership of the Labour Party. I really cannot see the likes of Mr McCluskey giving up his power/influence over the policies of, and who leads, the Labour Party.

That certainly used to be the case with the old block vote system. Less clear now with the single membership vote system which led to entryism and big vote for Corbyn as leader several years ago. But the problem is that Corbyn was going to lead them to the promised land and this election was going to be the start. Instead it was the finish. Now anyone staying in is faced with a possible 5-10 year project and no easy ride. The momentum has been lost. Whether union leaders want to continue singing the same song when so many of the working class have gone walkabout will be an interesting story.

[tomacht8]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

So you don't have a link, we can all make wild guesses, nobody knows. Boris has won 5 years in power, he can take his time in getting a good deal, the British people have confidence in him. Democracy is the biggest winner today.

 

Democracy? LOL
Con got 43,6 % from all votes and 365 seats.
Lab and Lib together got 43,8% from all votes and 214 seats.
The UK electoral system does not represent the actual votes / proportions of the population in the UK parliament.
The deviations of the actual voting ratios are enormous.
Actually, Con and (Lab + Lib) should have the same number of seats.
The deviation here is 151 seats.
Democrazy.

[sunnyboy2018]

18 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

Baht already soaring at 40.65.

The pound is rising I think you mean?

[sunnyboy2018]

8 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Democracy? LOL
Con got 43,6 % from all votes and 365 seats.
Lab and Lib together got 43,8% from all votes and 214 seats.
The UK electoral system does not represent the actual votes / proportions of the population in the UK parliament.
The deviations of the actual voting ratios are enormous.
Actually, Con and (Lab + Lib) should have the same number of seats.
The deviation here is 151 seats.
Democrazy.

Ha Ha.  The democracy rejectionists still gave not learned their lesson or learned humility. There has been a seismic shift against the political elite who have sneered at the voters; slandered remainers, mocked people who reject identity politics,  reviled people who rejected Corbyn and his neo Marxist nonsense. Its astonishing that labour have created a new class enemy: the British working classes.

[sunnyboy2018]

3 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Did YOU ever met a British who has ANY knowledge of how the EU works ? Me not !  Maybe too often a dense fogg in the Channel, so the continent is isolated.

The majority of people who voted for Brexit and now again for Boris know FULL WELL how the EU operates! Ha Ha. One thing is for sure: the people of the other Euro states will never get a democratic vote like the Brits did.

[sunnyboy2018]

3 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Did YOU ever met a British who has ANY knowledge of how the EU works ? Me not !  Maybe too often a dense fogg in the Channel, so the continent is isolated.

The majority of people who voted for Brexit and now again for Boris know FULL WELL how the EU operates! Ha Ha. One thing is for sure: the people of the other Euro states will never get a democratic vote like the Brits did.

[sunnyboy2018]

1 hour ago, Geordieabroad said:

Don't worry about it, you are wrong

I prefer Morris Dancing to Rap and Hip Hop!

[Jip99]

The world is divided; countries are divided, vitriol and abuse of people with opposing views is commonplace.

Time to change; time for unity.

Probably impossible to achieve but at least Brexit, in whatever form it takes, has been put to bed as a political football. Time to move on and look for the best, fair deal, for the UK; time to work together to back Britain and seek to repair the damaged political system.

Scotland remains fragmented and I would tell the Scots that a referendum is out of the question in the next 4 years whilst the Tories seek to rebuild/strengthen the Union. At the end of that period the question can be tabled for discussion - not until then.

Let’s see if Boris can become the statesman that nobody believes he is capable of. He has a working majority, hewill now be judged on performance- rightly so.

Just a New Year wish on my part.

[Jip99]

Now the Fat Lady has sung I just want to say a few words about a Jeremy Corbyn..

He is a prize <deleted>! 

He was a shambles in opposition, failing to take advantage of the poor (Brexit) Tory performance, a disgrace in his inept Brexit (non) policy and with their tepid manifesto- and I am not going anywhere near anti-semitism, Marxism and the IRA.

He has been the cause of good men falling in this election - who could possibly imagine Dennis Skinner losing his Bolsover seat.

The British public may not have taken Boris Johnson to their hearts, but they sure as Hell were not going to risk Labour government led by Corbyn. ..... Labour supporters actually voting Conservative to ensure that didn’t happen....sacre bleu.

The sooner that <deleted> <deleted> off and the Labour review what they want to be (electable or not) the better.

[vogie]

6 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

Democracy? LOL
Con got 43,6 % from all votes and 365 seats.
Lab and Lib together got 43,8% from all votes and 214 seats.
The UK electoral system does not represent the actual votes / proportions of the population in the UK parliament.
The deviations of the actual voting ratios are enormous.
Actually, Con and (Lab + Lib) should have the same number of seats.
The deviation here is 151 seats.
Democrazy.

Shudda, wudda, cudda. 

[DannyCarlton]

7 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

The pound is rising I think you mean?

And slipping back down again.

[nkg]

Those northerners didn't know what they were voting for ????

 

It's time for a people's vote. The REAL people are protesting now in London. We must overturn this non-binding election. We need Gina Miller to help.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/protest-downing-street-boris-johnson-general-election-a4313391.html

Edited December 14, 2019 by nkg
Brexit

[stevenl]

7 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Ha Ha.  The democracy rejectionists still gave not learned their lesson or learned humility. There has been a seismic shift against the political elite who have sneered at the voters; slandered remainers, mocked people who reject identity politics,  reviled people who rejected Corbyn and his neo Marxist nonsense. Its astonishing that labour have created a new class enemy: the British working classes.

 

45 minutes ago, vogie said:

Shudda, wudda, cudda. 

As was to be expected, only sneers, no on topic answers.

[nkg]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

 

As was to be expected, only sneers, no on topic answers.

 

It seems pretty on-topic to me.

 

Middle-class Labour voters and Remainers mocked the working classes, calling them stupid and racist. The working classes responded by abandoning Labour en-masse and handing Johnson a huge majority.

 

You reap what you sow.

[sunnyboy2018]

3 hours ago, Jip99 said:

Now the Fat Lady has sung I just want to say a few words about a Jeremy Corbyn..

He is a prize <deleted>! 

He was a shambles in opposition, failing to take advantage of the poor (Brexit) Tory performance, a disgrace in his inept Brexit (non) policy and with their tepid manifesto- and I am not going anywhere near anti-semitism, Marxism and the IRA.

He has been the cause of good men falling in this election - who could possibly imagine Dennis Skinner losing his Bolsover seat.

The British public may not have taken Boris Johnson to their hearts, but they sure as Hell were not going to risk Labour government led by Corbyn. ..... Labour supporters actually voting Conservative to ensure that didn’t happen....sacre bleu.

The sooner that <deleted> <deleted> off and the Labour review what they want to be (electable or not) the better.

There was an undercurrent that Corbyn and his 1970s SWP style rat pack hated Britain. The identitarian rebellion against the current orthodox majority seemed so hate filled and contemptuous of normal people.

[SheungWan]

15 minutes ago, nkg said:

Those northerners didn't know what they were voting for ????

 

It's time for a people's vote. The REAL people are protesting now in London. We must overturn this non-binding election. We need Gina Miller to help.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/protest-downing-street-boris-johnson-general-election-a4313391.html

What on earth are you on about? Gina Miller took legal action to defend parliamentary democracy. No link between that and any current demo in London, nor how people voted in the UK. There is no such thing as a non-binding Parliamentary election.

[stevenl]

7 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Ha Ha.  The democracy rejectionists still gave not learned their lesson or learned humility. There has been a seismic shift against the political elite who have sneered at the voters; slandered remainers, mocked people who reject identity politics,  reviled people who rejected Corbyn and his neo Marxist nonsense. Its astonishing that labour have created a new class enemy: the British working classes.

Yes, if you don't understand a post it may seem on topic. Rejecting 'neo Marxist nonsense' has nothing to do with objections against the principles of an election based on districts as opposed to proportional representation.