British PM Johnson to win a majority of 86: exit poll

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, nkg said:

 

The baht has been strong against every other major currency in the world over the last few years.

 

october 2016     $1 35 baht
now        $1 30 baht

 

I don't see anybody calling the USD weak.

 

The pound plummeted for 4 months following the referendum, but since then it has been gradually been recovering:

 

october 2016     £1 $1.21
october 2016     £1 1.11 euros
october 2016    £1 42 baht

now        £1 $1.33
now        £1 1.2 euros
now        £1 40 baht

 

Totally meaningless to pick 2 points in time. Show a graph please.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

The election results would say otherwise.

Nicola Sturgeon got 81% of the available seats in Scotland.

What percentage of the available seats in England did Bojo get.

Quite obvious which leader won the election.

There was one clear winner on Thursday and it wasn't Johnson.

 

 

[nkg]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Totally meaningless to pick 2 points in time. Show a graph please.

 

But I explained why I chose those 2 points. October 2016 was when the pound hit its low, four months after the referendum. "Now" is hardly an arbitrary point in time. Any reasonable person would accept that "now" is the most relevant time possible when comparing 2 currencies. You can't cherry-pick "now".

 

I can include all 4 graphs if you really want, but I'm sure you can look them up for yourself.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

There was one clear winner on Thursday and it wasn't Johnson.

 

 

And yet Johnson is in Number 10 for 5 years with a massive majority. 

 

Johnson won on Thursday. Sturgeon is neither in power nor the opposition. You think he would swap places with Sturgeon?

 

Of course she won in Scotland because she is a nationalist and Scotland is full of nationalists 

[ThaiBunny]

An interesting aside. In the recent statistics comparing performance of secondary students across OPEC countries it's possible to break down the UK statistics. These show that schools (under the Tories) went ahead, while those for Scotland (run by the SNP) went backwards. Draw your own conclusions about the relative quality of the various governments - https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/must-try-harder-labour-wants-to-reverse-a-decade-of-progress-in-education/

[Tippaporn]

On 12/13/2019 at 6:14 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

This is a reminder that running a campaign based on hate, envy and divisiveness will never win an election. Labour should have tried impeachment. The modern progressive way to remove a government you have no chance to beat at the polls.

Are you prescient, TopDeadSenter?  Check this out:

 

From the Guardian just a day after the election:

 

Britain needs its own Mueller report on Russian ‘interference’

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/12/britain-mueller-report-russian-media-uk-us

 

And guess who the authors are?  Ready for it???

 

Glenn R. Simpson and Peter Fritsch

 

Wow, don't those names sound familiar?  Why, yes.  Those are the two guys who own "research" firm Fusion GPS are are responsible for the Steele dossier!!  The same two guys who are in cahoots to take down a U.S. sitting President.

 

So as not to violate fair use policy I'll paste just the opening paragraph.

 

"The British political system has become thoroughly compromised by Russian influence. It’s high time its institutions – including the media – woke up to that fact. In 2016, both the United Kingdom and the United States were the targets of Russian efforts to swing their votes. The aim was to weaken the alliances that had constrained Vladimir Putin’s ambitions, such as the European Union and Nato."

 

It's the entire "collusion" attempt, redux No. 2 (actually No. 3, but that happened much earlier).  They're trying to pull it again!

 

Read the article and LYAO.  Unbelievable that the Guardian would even publish this.  Well, maybe not so surprising.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

Early feedback from Labour constituents strongly indicate that Corbyn was the overiding factor.

Certainly a factor. 

 

Purely anecdotal but I was chatting to my (very switched on) 75 year old Mother on Thursday afternoon Bangkok time. We don't discuss politics much as she's a Remainer and to the left of me but she was happy to tell me she voted for Boris.

 

I asked if she didn't like Corbyn then? The answer wasnt a Yes or No but "I think he's evil". 

 

She's also a committed Democrat though, so maybe she just wanted the referendum result respected? Probably a combination of both.

 

 

 

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Oh, I so wish that were true! Unfortunately completely false. You are correct in saying the £ jumped above 50 baht, days before the referendum. This was on release of the final poll before the referendum which showed remain with a clear lead. As soon as the referendum result was announced, the £ began to plummet, quickly reaching 45 baht. It has continued to decline, particularly under the threat of a no deal Brexit (which is currently far from removed).

 

During the last 18 months the decline in the £ has been exacerbated by the strength of the baht, taking the £ down to 37 at the end of August this year. It recovered to near 39 before the election and currently sits at just over 40 and on it's way back down.

 

There has been a clear trend for the £ to rise as Brexit seemed less likely and fall with an increased lilklyhood of Brexit/no deal. The old chestnut of "uncertainty" only played a small part in the fluctuations but was used by Dominic Cummings to totally explain the fluctuations in the £. "If you tell a lie often enough, (stupid) people will believe it."

 

 The temporary euphoria of the big Tory win will soon subside and the £ will continue it's downward journey. At 40 baht, dip your bread in (as I did) it won't be there for long.

A weak £ isnt such a bad thing , its not a good thing for ex-pats living abroad on a UK income .

But it would be beneficial for all the future trade deals that we will sign , as our exports would be cheaper and it will encourage the UK to make our own things again , instead of expensive imports  

[vogie]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

 

As was to be expected, only sneers, no on topic answers.

As expected, nothing worthy to add, attack other members who don't agree with you, predictable.

[Mark mark]

....  Yes, Looks like they dislike Open Borders, and free Movement of People in from the EU, .... more then they dislike Brexit or Boris !!! .... and a Lot less than Commie ? ... Well very "Hard Left", ... I think they term him, .... Jeremy !!! ....

 

...  Like I knew that he would loose and Loose big time !!! ... So Look out Democrats in the US !!! ... Field Elizabeth Warren, ...  or Bernie !!! .... and you will loose big time also !!!

 

.... Like, I thought that the Brits would vote against Brexit ! ... !!! But I had forgotten abut the Ongoing and well, world wide now, Immigration Issue. Probably the issue that tipped the scales in Favor of it in the first Place ? ... 

 

... Though well, I DO feel Positive ! .... Like if any one can Pull it off, !!! the Poms can !!! ..... And God bless them, ....  and their country also.

[vogie]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Yes, if you don't understand a post it may seem on topic. Rejecting 'neo Marxist nonsense' has nothing to do with objections against the principles of an election based on districts as opposed to proportional representation.

I cannot remember for the life in me, when UKIP got 6 million votes and with prop rep would have got 60 seats instead of gaining only one you kicking up a stink, you need to be less biased, much less biased.

[kingdong]

13 hours ago, stevenl said:

A budgie memory is not that bad.

I bought a budgie,it was going cheep

[stevenl]

33 minutes ago, nkg said:

 

But I explained why I chose those 2 points. October 2016 was when the pound hit its low, four months after the referendum. "Now" is hardly an arbitrary point in time. Any reasonable person would accept that "now" is the most relevant time possible when comparing 2 currencies. You can't cherry-pick "now".

 

I can include all 4 graphs if you really want, but I'm sure you can look them up for yourself.

As I said many times, pound has been on a steady decline since WWII.

[kingdong]

11 minutes ago, sanemax said:

A weak £ isnt such a bad thing , its not a good thing for ex-pats living abroad on a UK income .

But it would be beneficial for all the future trade deals that we will sign , as our exports would be cheaper and it will encourage the UK to make our own things again , instead of expensive imports  

You speak sense,pity the thais don,t realise you can only blow up a balloon so far before it explodes  in your face.

[roo860]

3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

The British Parliamentary system is not organised on total votes per Party. Nor can you assume that there might have been a Lib-Lab government if there had been. Nor can you suggest that the elected parliament is illegitimate because it is doesn't meet your criteria. The laws as to Parliamentary democracy are set out in Parliament. Parliament can change them if it so wishes. Some years ago there was a referendum to change elections to a proportional voting system. It lost. Either you play by the rules or spend the next 5 years moaning. There is one project for Labour and that is to move to the centre ground. Either that or lose a 5th election in a row.

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Edited December 14, 2019 by roo860

[nkg]

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

As I said many times, pound has been on a steady decline since WWII.

 

Yes, Britain was the greatest country in the world 100 years ago. No wonder its currency has fallen since then.

 

You never seem to reveal which country you are from, however, so I am unable to make any comparisons. That's probably just as well - I wouldn't want to embarrass you ????????????

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Present clarity will lead to increase in euro as well. Sorry, pound as a desirable currency left the room in late 40's of the previous century.

That may well be the case on a long trend, but inside that, Sterling has also significantly bounced, providing individuals with windows of opportunity to take a position that has benefited them. A window may be opening now, particularly if Boris settles a good deal with the EU. Any sniff of Hard Brexit will push Sterling back down. And as for Corbyn, if he had succeeded, what a disaster for Sterling that would have been.

[CharlieH]

Reported "grammar police" post and responses have been removed.

[stevenl]

14 minutes ago, nkg said:

 

Yes, Britain was the greatest country in the world 100 years ago. No wonder its currency has fallen since then.

 

You never seem to reveal which country you are from, however, so I am unable to make any comparisons. That's probably just as well - I wouldn't want to embarrass you ????????????

I made that comparison many times already.

Regarding me not revealing which country I am from, irrelevant plus revealed it many times.

[DannyCarlton]

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Certainly a factor. 

 

Purely anecdotal but I was chatting to my (very switched on) 75 year old Mother on Thursday afternoon Bangkok time. We don't discuss politics much as she's a Remainer and to the left of me but she was happy to tell me she voted for Boris.

 

I asked if she didn't like Corbyn then? The answer wasnt a Yes or No but "I think he's evil". 

 

She's also a committed Democrat though, so maybe she just wanted the referendum result respected? Probably a combination of both.

 

 

 

Lots of reasons for traditional Labour supporters to not like Corbyn.

 For me it was that bloody hat. Favourite of the SWP in the 70s and Lenin and the Bolsheviks during the Russian revolution. Not a 21st century socialist.

 

                        

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

The election results would say otherwise.

Nicola Sturgeon got 81% of the available seats in Scotland.

What percentage of the available seats in England did Bojo get.

Quite obvious which leader won the election.

This was a UK election. The SNP, as all the other minority parties in the UK Parliament cannot prevail as the Tories have an overall majority. The election is about which party holds an overall majority in Parliament.

[nkg]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I made that comparison many times already.

Regarding me not revealing which country I am from, irrelevant plus revealed it many times.

 

Fair enough, I respect your right to keep your personal details private. It's the posters who pretend to be British that annoy me ????

[transam]

10 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Lots of reasons for traditional Labour supporters to not like Corbyn.

 For me it was that bloody hat. Favourite of the SWP in the 70s and Lenin and the Bolsheviks during the Russian revolution. Not a 21st century socialist.

 

                        

Looks OK to me......

 

 

 

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, stephenterry said:

The election result makes me wonder why anyone would vote the tories and johnson back in power. It would be interesting to read feedback from constituents - whether it was brexit, a rejection of Labour, or a mixture of both that was the main motivator.

I suspect that the overriding factor was one of change. A new PM promising the planet for everyone, an initial brexit passage from the EU, and possibly at long last, a business stability.

There are plenty of hard reasons why Labour lost but a lot of supporters are in denial, so they are condemned to next time lose a fifth election in a row if they continue to keep their heads stuck in the sand or persist with vacuous explanations.

Edited December 14, 2019 by SheungWan

[nkg]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Looks OK to me......

 

 

 

 

I KNEW I'd seen Corbyn somewhere before!

 

 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

And slipping back down again.

Or it might be a few nips of profit-taking?

[newatthis]

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

Only the UK system would provide that interpretation, 52% of the vote went to parties supporting a second referendum.

Labour paved the way with their choice of leader, Jonson may have won the battle but the UK has lost the war.

 

Why are you bringing out percentages? In 2016 nearly 52% voted to leave the EU. You haven't even truly tried to implement that yet; while you're banging on about a 2nd referendum.

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Or it might be a few nips of profit-taking?

555 Done a bit myself!

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, stephenterry said:

The election result makes me wonder why anyone would vote the tories and johnson back in power. It would be interesting to read feedback from constituents - whether it was brexit, a rejection of Labour, or a mixture of both that was the main motivator.

 

I suspect that the overriding factor was one of change. A new PM promising the planet for everyone, an initial brexit passage from the EU, and possibly at long last, a business stability.

The Tories have retained power because the alternatives were far worse. You might also remember that there was actually majority vote for Brexit and the Tories were the only major party offering a Brexit of any kind.

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

Only the UK system would provide that interpretation, 52% of the vote went to parties supporting a second referendum.

Labour paved the way with their choice of leader, Jonson may have won the battle but the UK has lost the war.

Please correct me if I am wrong but my understanding is that the Lib Dems did not stand on a policy of having a second referendum but rather advocated direct repeal of Article 50 if they were elected. As for Labour, they stood on a policy of first negotiating a new deal with the EU which they would then refuse to support in a subsequent referendum. Now, my query to the above comment re the 52% is can one seriously stack these 2 together? With somewhat difficulty I am afraid.

Edited December 14, 2019 by SheungWan