Trump at brink of impeachment as U.S. House committee approves charges

[J Town]

5 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Rachel Maddow got hold of his tax returns a while back.  She said there was nothing there.  Another nothing burger.

Two things:

1) Rachel Maddow is a nothing burger herself. She is the QUEEN of the shaggy dog story.

2) A tax form from 2005? Pleeeeeeeeeeeze!

 

If his more recent tax returns were such a "nothing burger" then why fight SO hard to hide them? For the sheer sensationalism? He has PLENTY of other things to use. No, this guy is hiding something that would bite him in his burgeoning buttocks.

[Becker]

2 hours ago, Ramen087 said:

• Bill Clinton was impeached... finished his term of office... favorably, I might add...
   
• Democrats are playing the only cards they’ve had in their hands since the legal result of the 2016 election: we hate this guy for winning fair and square, we have no candidate to run in 2020, so let’s do everything and anything to impugn the reputation of the Commander in Chief. 
   
• good luck getting this fecal matter through the senate; they’ve seen through it from the beginning...
   

 

The GOP senators know perfectly well that Trump is a corrupt, draft dodging mental midget but since they've committed political suicide by turning the party over to Trump's rabid base they have no choice but to play along. Let the cowards have their final days in the sun. In a few years changing demographics will marginalize the GOP and this will all be nothing but the lingering smell of stale farts.

[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, Becker said:

The GOP senators know perfectly well that Trump is a corrupt, draft dodging mental midget but since they've committed political suicide by turning the party over to Trump's rabid base they have no choice but to play along. Let the cowards have their final days in the sun. In a few years changing demographics will marginalize the GOP and this will all be nothing but the lingering smell of stale farts.

Yes and no.

He might win in 2020.

God help us if he does but it's entirely possible. 

[luckyluke]

Why not the optimist - realist approach :

 

For Mr. Trump followers :

 

"We may enjoy another 4 years of Mr. Trump being the POTUS." 

 

For Mr. Trump opposers :

 

"A max of 4 years more, and Mr. Trump is history". 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Why not the optimist - realist approach :

 

For Mr. Trump followers :

 

"We may enjoy another 4 years of Mr. Trump being the POTUS." 

 

For Mr. Trump opposers :

 

"A max of 4 years more, and Mr. Trump is history". 

Can't do that. The damage he has already done is unspeakable. Imagine him after being impeached, not removed, reelected, and no need to worry about the next election. I don't think American democracy can survive that and yes I'm serious. 

Edited December 14, 2019 by Jingthing

[candide]

8 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

"Trump also asked Ukraine to investigate a debunked theory that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 U.S. election."

 

An absolutely false statement and one that is constantly being perpetuated by fake journalism.  Trump is not claiming that it was Ukraine and not Russia.  He's claiming that Ukraine interfered as well.  And that claim is not debunked.  To the contrary, evidence of Ukrainian interference is abundant.

 

Given that this is a blatantly false statement how can you trust anything else this article says?

 

But it's what Trump haters want to hear.  So not only will they ignore the fact that a statement like this is false, they will mindlessly jump on repeating it and will argue it despite it being factually incorrect.

You are distorting facts again. Trump clearly claimed that the hacking was due to Ukraine, not both Ukraine and Russia.

With Zelinski:

“I would like to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say CrowdStrike . I guess you have one of your wealthy people. The server, they say Ukraine has it.”

 

and more recently on Fox news:

"The FBI went in and they told them get out of here, we’re not giving it to you. They gave the server to CrowdStrike ... which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian, and I still want to see that server,” "You know, the FBI has never gotten that server. That's a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company?"

 

As mentioned before, this is a ridiculous and debunked conspiracy theory:

- there was not "one server", as the DNC was using cloud computing over 140 servers,

- Crowdstrike is an American Company that has nothing to do with Ukraine. It has a top reputation

- there is no Ukrainian owner. One the the co-founded was born in Russia, the other in the US.

It is also worth mentioning that when the Republican Committee's system was hacked, they called.... Crowdstrike! 

[candide]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

To me it is about truth and justice.  By avoiding a Senate trial you don't risk truth and justice from being served, you assure that it will not be served.  Damn the risk and be confident that truth and justice will persevere.  Not something I would gamble with it.  But that's what politicians do.  Rather than actually stand for what they believe they play the game of which path they think would go their way.  People are tired of this yellow bellied approach.  At least I am.

For once, although for different reasons, I agree with you. I would like to see truth and justice served by a trial presided by non-partisan Chief Justice Roberts in which Trump cannot stonewall testimonies and documents. You see, with Pompeo, Giuliani, Mulvaney and Bolton called in.

The Republicans will never allow it to happen.

[WalkingOrders]

I'm back. This will die in the Senate for certain. If no witnesses are called and it happens quickly that would be best. If not the Bidens will die on the sacrificial alter of an Impeachment trial as the intent of the President is a defense, and the intent of the President to look into corruption of HUNTER BIDEN and Joe Biden will be brought up. 

 

That would not bode well for Democrats, it would make things far worse for them. They are already reeling as a result of the IG showing as FACT that the Investigation into Trump should have been dropped soon after it started. The weak Pretext for starting it is going to be torn to pieces by Barr very soon.  

 

Not good for a party that still claims that Trump is a manchurian candidate working for the Russians. 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2019 by WalkingOrders
redundency

[WalkingOrders]

Donald Trump investigating a political rival - or Donald Trump investigating corruption that happens to be against the Vice President and his son. One view is the charge, the other view is the defense. I support the view that defends the President. The defense of course brings up Hunter Biden and Joe Biden as an integral part of the defense, in that respect it becomes part of the trial as it speaks direct to the motivation of the President of the United States. 

[zydeco]

9 hours ago, HuskerDo said:

The Dems will face the wrath of Trump over this

The wrath of Trump?  555  What is he going to do? Go on another Twitter tirade? Those have worn thin to the point of having no effect whatsoever. Just ask Xi, Putin, Kim, the Iranians, and everyone in Europe how much they fear Trump the Mouth that Roared. Everybody knows, now, that almost everything he screams about is just another empty threat. Everyone out-thinks him and outwits him. He couldn't even win a Twitter snark battle with a retarded teenage girl. She made him look like a fool Nobody fears Trump. I hope they put him in stocks on the steps of the Capitol. 

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Can't do that. The damage he has already done is unspeakable. Imagine him after being impeached, not removed, reelected, and no need to worry about the next election. I don't think American democracy can survive that and yes I'm serious. 

What damage has he done? 
 

A lot of people like some of what he has done.

[Somewhere In Time]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

He might win in 2020.

God help us if he does

Overly dramatic, Jingthing.

 

SIT 

[WalkingOrders]

Some talk here about avoiding a trial. As Mitch McConnell has said he does not think it possible to avoid taking this up. But once opened, he can move to dismiss, but the Supreme Court plays a roll in this. Despite the conservative makeup of the Court, its possible that the conservative behavior that they show may be to error on the side of caution. They may want this to appear as fair as possible, OR they may view being as fair as possible to be staying out of it as much as possible. As there have only been two such trials in US History its rather difficult to make predictions, but I don't think that it can be just dismissed out of hand without opening the Trial. There are reasons that both sides may not wish for this to drag on. 

[metisdead]

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[elmrfudd]

2 hours ago, Becker said:

The GOP senators know perfectly well that Trump is a corrupt, draft dodging mental midget but since they've committed political suicide by turning the party over to Trump's rabid base they have no choice but to play along. Let the cowards have their final days in the sun. In a few years changing demographics will marginalize the GOP and this will all be nothing but the lingering smell of stale farts.

You have absolutely no idea of what the GOP senators know. You have your biased irrational opinions. 

 

But when you are driven by emotions and your personal feelings, this is what you get 

[WalkingOrders]

There has been someone who has discussed the Presidents Tax returns or financials. Even though recent previous Presidents have disclosed their tax returns there is no U.S. law that requires them to do so. In general the 4th Ammendment of the United States provides protections against such things as Government compelling a citizen to release tax returns without cause.  The Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case. It will be interesting. How the define (narrowly or broadly) and how the rule on this case.

 

It has to be remembered that aside from the talk of potential illegalities claimed, that Donald Trump may have all the same sorts of reasons for not disclosing tax returns as would a normal citizen. They have not become invalid because he is President. 

 

But I don't think this topic really relates to the impeachment in any way but I see the subject was brought up.

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Justice roberts will play a very minimal roll. Moscow mitch is, for all intents and purposes the judge. If roberts rules on an issue the repubs can overturn it with 51 votes.

 

And dont forget, for all the repubs screaming about fairness and kangaroo court, that mitch is in direct contact with the whitehouse on how to run the trial. So after all trump supporters complaints about congress im sure they will vociferously complain about this.

Why would Trump supporters complain about the head of the Senate discussing how to run the trial with the head of the Republican Party?
 

Many people don’t see the phone call as much of an issue, and see obstruction of congress as ridiculous. 
 

The obstruction of congress is not even a legitimate charge. 

 

[Xavnel]

10 hours ago, Sujo said:

I think u may find some repubs in the senate vote to convict.

Would you be willing to put money down on that?

No Republicans will vote to Impeach the President when the only basis is that the Corrupt Democrats do not like him.

[Eric Loh]

12 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Impeachment is a hoax. It's a sham," Trump

If it is a hoax, then why you withhold relevant documents and transcripts, why you impede important witnesses from testifying and why you intimidate staffs that came forward to testify under oath. If it is hoax, I urged you to have a full trial and you testify under oath to clear your name. You can’t because you have guilt written all over you. 

[Xavnel]

3 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Why not the optimist - realist approach :

 

For Mr. Trump followers :

 

"We may enjoy another 4 years of Mr. Trump being the POTUS." 

 

For Mr. Trump opposers :

 

"A max of 4 years more, and Mr. Trump is history". 

Donald Trump 2020

Candace Owens 2024

 

[zydeco]

33 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If it is a hoax, then why you withhold relevant documents and transcripts, why you impede important witnesses from testifying and why you intimidate staffs that came forward to testify under oath. If it is hoax, I urged you to have a full trial and you testify under oath to clear your name. You can’t because you have guilt written all over you. 

Trump is scared. He absolutely fears this process. Otherwise, why is he squealing like a stuck pig all over Twitter and before cameras? If he really were planning an ambush for his detractors, he would be playing it cool, waiting to spring a trap. Instead, Porky is being brought screaming and yelling and threatening every step of the way. He knows what it will uncover. And who cares if it takes the Bidens down, too! Clear the way for Warren in 2020, someone who really will take on China and Big Tech and claw back money and taxes from the bankers and billionaires tax cut Trump engineered. During impeachment, expect Trump to literally s**t his pants. After all, it's not like he hasn't had a brown out in his trousers before.

Edited December 14, 2019 by zydeco

[elmrfudd]

3 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Trump is scared. He absolutely fears this process. Otherwise, why is he squealing like a stuck pig all over Twitter and before cameras? If he really were planning an ambush for his detractors, he would be playing it cool, waiting to spring a trip. Instead, Porky is being brought screaming and yelling and threatening every step of the way. He knows what it will uncover. And who cares if it takes the Bidens down, too! Clear the way for Warren in 2020, someone who really will take on China and Big Tech and claw back money and taxes from the bankers and billionaires tax cut Trump engineered. During impeachment, expect Trump to literally s**t his pants.

That is quite a bit of unfounded projection and fantasy. 

[xylophone]

44 minutes ago, Xavnel said:

Would you be willing to put money down on that?

No Republicans will vote to Impeach the President when the only basis is that the Corrupt Democrats do not like him.

Or they are too blind to see, because they can see no wrong in this clown, or because they have their noses shoved too far up his @ss........... but the real reason is that they want to keep the Republicans in office for as long as they can, no matter what crimes or misdemeanours the POTUS may be guilty of: – loyalty to a liar and cheat at the cost of integrity of the USA seems to be the order of the day for this mob.

[elmrfudd]

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Or they are too blind to see, because they can see no wrong in this clown, or because they have their noses shoved too far up his @ss........... but the real reason is that they want to keep the Republicans in office for as long as they can, no matter what crimes or misdemeanours the POTUS may be guilty of: – loyalty to a liar and cheat at the cost of integrity of the USA seems to be the order of the day for this mob.

Seems like you have determined guilt based on your emotions. But if that works for you, then there is no doubt you will find the next 5 years very hard. 

[mogandave]

6 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Or they are too blind to see, because they can see no wrong in this clown, or because they have their noses shoved too far up his @ss........... but the real reason is that they want to keep the Republicans in office for as long as they can, no matter what crimes or misdemeanours the POTUS may be guilty of: – loyalty to a liar and cheat at the cost of integrity of the USA seems to be the order of the day for this mob.

What are the crimes the left has alleged in the impeachment? 
 

 

[zydeco]

19 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

That is quite a bit of unfounded projection and fantasy. 

Oh, look. A Breitbartism.

[elmrfudd]

5 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Oh, look. A Breitbartism.

Hey, either you have a reality based opinion or a fantasy. No reason to remain condescending. 

[candide]

2 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

I'm back. This will die in the Senate for certain. If no witnesses are called and it happens quickly that would be best. If not the Bidens will die on the sacrificial alter of an Impeachment trial as the intent of the President is a defense, and the intent of the President to look into corruption of HUNTER BIDEN and Joe Biden will be brought up. 

 

That would not bode well for Democrats, it would make things far worse for them. They are already reeling as a result of the IG showing as FACT that the Investigation into Trump should have been dropped soon after it started. The weak Pretext for starting it is going to be torn to pieces by Barr very soon.  

 

Not good for a party that still claims that Trump is a manchurian candidate working for the Russians. 

 

 

Are you suggesting that the Republicans will chose a short trial in order to please the Dems? Hmmm.

BTW your second assertion is inaccurate. It is the investigation into Page that whould maybe have been dropped. I write "maybe" because the IG did not state he was certain it would have been dropped.

Edited December 14, 2019 by candide

[Somewhere In Time]

49 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Trump is scared. He absolutely fears this process. Otherwise, why is he squealing like a stuck pig all over Twitter and before cameras? If he really were planning an ambush for his detractors, he would be playing it cool, waiting to spring a trap. Instead, Porky is being brought screaming and yelling and threatening every step of the way. He knows what it will uncover. And who cares if it takes the Bidens down, too! Clear the way for Warren in 2020, someone who really will take on China and Big Tech and claw back money and taxes from the bankers and billionaires tax cut Trump engineered. During impeachment, expect Trump to literally s**t his pants. After all, it's not like he hasn't had a brown out in his trousers before.

Too emotional.  Would be nice to read your perspective without unnecessary anecdote(s).

 

SIT

[Somewhere In Time]

48 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Or they are too blind to see, because they can see no wrong in this clown, or because they have their noses shoved too far up his @ss........... but the real reason is that they want to keep the Republicans in office for as long as they can, no matter what crimes or misdemeanours the POTUS may be guilty of: – loyalty to a liar and cheat at the cost of integrity of the USA seems to be the order of the day for this mob.

Too emotional.  Would be nice to read your perspective without unnecessary anecdote(s).

 

SIT