Exclusive: Less than half of all Americans want Trump ousted post-impeachment - Reuters/Ipsos poll

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Happy you admit trump has done nothing.

Well, he has played a lot of golf on his expensive golf courses at his expensive resorts, all at taxpayer expense of course.

[mogandave]

42 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Right....  Hillary Clinton was going to "burn the house down" because she, uh...  What was it she was going to do that was so terrible?

 

Two more leftists on the Supreme Court and an acceleration of the country’s slide to the left, and any number of other things you no doubt think are great, that I loath. 
 

I don’t care that you, the press and the rest of the left hates him.

 

i don’t care that he talks crudely when responding to people attacking he and his family. 
 

I don’t care that he wants to investigate possible corruption of the previous administration that seemed/seems to be going full-speed investigating him. 

 

 

42 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

People loath Trump because he caters to rich people in this country and tyrants in other countries,

 

 

I know you believe this stuff, but I see no evidence of it. Does he say nice things about crappy leaders? Yes. He says nice things about Nancy, yes? Does he worship her? 

 

42 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

spends far more time golfing and watching Faux News than doing his job (perhaps that's for the best),

 

 

How much time does he spend golfing? How much time does he spend working? How much time is he golfing with other heads of state or some-such? Where are your numbers?
 

I don’t care that he golfs, you seem to think it’s a good thing as well, why are you complaining?

 

 

42 minutes ago, heybruce said:

blatantly uses the Presidency to promote his businesses,

This seems like BS to me, do you have some actual examples? Is he overcharging us? I know he likes to stay at his own properties, I don’t care about that. I would too. 
 

Incidentally his hotels are way down because the left doesn’t want to stay there.  

 

42 minutes ago, heybruce said:

takes credit for things he had little to do with,

Yeah, he does see something of a self promoting braggadocios a-hole at times. Whatever.

 

42 minutes ago, heybruce said:

is putting the country deeper in debt while the economy is strong instead of reducing the deficit as common sense dictates,

Yes, I agree, but it’s hard to cut spending with a leftist House. He absolutely should have gotten a lot more done the first two years. That said, Trump is a lot more left-wing than I would like. 

Had he balanced the budget you’d be howling about the cuts.

 

It is hilarious to see you guys all of the sudden become deficit hawks and  moan about spending!

 

42 minutes ago, heybruce said:

demonizes all immigrants of color, is a clear national security threat, etc.

 

This is just a big lie you buy into. 

 

42 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Also, let's not forget that he has invited other countries to interfere in the upcoming election. 

Yes, how did he do it? By asking one guy on the phone and another on TV to investigate corruption? 
 

I can live with that, you can’t, whatever.

Oh, let’s not forget that the interference in the last election happened on Obama’s watch and Trump had nothing to do with it.

 

42 minutes ago, heybruce said:

That's why he was impeached, along with the obstruction.

He was or wasn’t impeached depending on who you ask. Remember, your expert impeachment witness that testified that the phone call was impeachable says he’s not impeached, right? So are young claiming to know better than your own Harvard Law Professor impeachment expert? 
 

In any event, the left has been promising to impeach him since he won the election, so to pretend this is some big deal is nonsense. I get it, the left is foaming at the mouth to get him out of office, I don’t blame them. Were I a leftist I would want him out too, but I’m not, so I don’t. 
 

Clinton had committed eleven (11) felonies before he was impeached. 

 

[Cryingdick]

5 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Two more leftists on the Supreme Court and an acceleration of the country’s slide to the left, and any number of other things you no doubt think are great, that I loath. 
 

I don’t care that you, the press and the rest of the left hates him.

 

i don’t care that he talks crudely when responding to people attacking he and his family. 
 

I don’t care that he wants to investigate possible corruption of the previous administration that seemed/seems to be going full-speed investigating him. 

 

 

 

I know you believe this stuff, but I see no evidence of it. Does he say nice things about crappy leaders? Yes. He says nice things about Nancy, yes? Does he worship her? 

 

 

How much time does he spend golfing? How much time does he spend working? How much time is he golfing with other heads of state or some-such? Where are your numbers?
 

I don’t care that he golfs, you seem to think it’s a good thing as well, why are you complaining?

 

 

This seems like BS to me, do you have some actual examples? Is he overcharging us? I know he likes to stay at his own properties, I don’t care about that. I would too. 
 

Incidentally his hotels are way down because the left doesn’t want to stay there.  

 

Yeah, he does see something of a self promoting braggadocios a-hole at times. Whatever.

 

Yes, I agree, but it’s hard to cut spending with a leftist House. He absolutely should have gotten a lot more done the first two years. That said, Trump is a lot more left-wing than I would like. 

Had he balanced the budget you’d be howling about the cuts.

 

It is hilarious to see you guys all of the sudden become deficit hawks and  moan about spending!

 

 

This is just a big lie you buy into. 

 

Yes, how did he do it? By asking one guy on the phone and another on TV to investigate corruption? 
 

I can live with that, you can’t, whatever.

Oh, let’s not forget that the interference in the last election happened on Obama’s watch and Trump had nothing to do with it.

 

He was or wasn’t impeached depending on who you ask. Remember, your expert impeachment witness that testified that the phone call was impeachable says he’s not impeached, right? So are young claiming to know better than your own Harvard Law Professor impeachment expert? 
 

In any event, the left has been promising to impeach him since he won the election, so to pretend this is some big deal is nonsense. I get it, the left is foaming at the mouth to get him out of office, I don’t blame them. Were I a leftist I would want him out too, but I’m not, so I don’t. 
 

Clinton had committed eleven (11) felonies before he was impeached. 

 

 

That was a tremendous effort to do. Kudos to you.

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Right....  Hillary Clinton was going to "burn the house down" because she, uh...  What was it she was going to do that was so terrible?

 

People loath Trump because he caters to rich people in this country and tyrants in other countries, spends far more time golfing and watching Faux News than doing his job (perhaps that's for the best), blatantly uses the Presidency to promote his businesses, takes credit for things he had little to do with, is putting the country deeper in debt while the economy is strong instead of reducing the deficit as common sense dictates, demonizes all immigrants of color, is a clear national security threat, etc.

 

Also, let's not forget that he has invited other countries to interfere in the upcoming election.  That's why he was impeached, along with the obstruction.

Absolutely spot on heybruce...........and of course he has denigrated American war heroes, coward that he is, and this quote from the NZ Herald shows that he only spouts one side of the equation.

 

'It's killing us': midwestern workers savaged by Trump's trade wars

Layoffs are common, shifts have been cut – and workers in America’s manufacturing and farming heartlands are losing hope"......

 

Close inspection of the tariff wars that he has undertaken show that the US has gained very little in some cases, and lost in many others, affecting everyday Americans, but the dumbo is incapable of understanding that imposing tariffs can hurt Americans.........COVFEFE.

 

What a plonker.........nothing positive can be said about him, but maybe his supporters just like liars, cheats, narcissists, traitors and idiots. Says more about them than I ever can.

[rabas]

6 hours ago, candide said:

Ah! Ah! I did not pay attention to it. Anyway, it's a survey by Microsoft, not PressTV. You can find it also here:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/daily-presidential-tracking-poll/ar-AADKLI1

 

Sorry, I see no actual data on the page, just the words daily tracking polls no link, lots of ads, and an article about AOC for president. ?

 

[candide]

6 minutes ago, rabas said:

Sorry, I see no actual data on the page, just the words daily tracking polls no link, lots of ads, and an article about AOC for president. ?

 

You need to wait a little bit for the graphs to show (at least with my tablet)

[lannarebirth]

6 hours ago, maprao said:

I think you will find there alot more than 8% with 401k plans! The stock market ensures they do very well.

Probably. And I think you'll find that all those people with 401k plans, IRAs and whatever else stock market ownership, only adds up to 8% ownership for the bottom 80% of Americans.

[Cryingdick]

1 hour ago, lannarebirth said:

Probably. And I think you'll find that all those people with 401k plans, IRAs and whatever else stock market ownership, only adds up to 8% ownership for the bottom 80% of Americans.

 

Unless you are greeting at Walmart or serving fries with Big Macs you have involvement with the market. Even those people benefit because at least they have a job.

 

Whatever my little sliver represents my  liquid net worth went up now 70% in two years, 20% since the impeachment hearings.

 

I don't need to be jealous other people have more. Instead of sitting around rotting and complaining on web forums I am taking the steps to crawl up that ladder. Without the top percent there wouldn't be a market of great volume for people like me to benefit from.

 

Aside from that everything in your life counts on the markets. Your cars, computers, clothes, phone, house, etc. Give all of those up before you start saying you don't benefit or the average person doesn't. Without the markets and the companies that drive them we would all be living in mud huts. 

 

 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

 

Two more leftists on the Supreme Court and an acceleration of the country’s slide to the left, and any number of other things you no doubt think are great, that I loath. 
 

I don’t care that you, the press and the rest of the left hates him.

 

i don’t care that he talks crudely when responding to people attacking he and his family. 
 

I don’t care that he wants to investigate possible corruption of the previous administration that seemed/seems to be going full-speed investigating him. 

 

 

 

I know you believe this stuff, but I see no evidence of it. Does he say nice things about crappy leaders? Yes. He says nice things about Nancy, yes? Does he worship her? 

 

 

How much time does he spend golfing? How much time does he spend working? How much time is he golfing with other heads of state or some-such? Where are your numbers?
 

I don’t care that he golfs, you seem to think it’s a good thing as well, why are you complaining?

 

 

This seems like BS to me, do you have some actual examples? Is he overcharging us? I know he likes to stay at his own properties, I don’t care about that. I would too. 
 

Incidentally his hotels are way down because the left doesn’t want to stay there.  

 

Yeah, he does see something of a self promoting braggadocios a-hole at times. Whatever.

 

Yes, I agree, but it’s hard to cut spending with a leftist House. He absolutely should have gotten a lot more done the first two years. That said, Trump is a lot more left-wing than I would like. 

Had he balanced the budget you’d be howling about the cuts.

 

It is hilarious to see you guys all of the sudden become deficit hawks and  moan about spending!

 

 

This is just a big lie you buy into. 

 

Yes, how did he do it? By asking one guy on the phone and another on TV to investigate corruption? 
 

I can live with that, you can’t, whatever.

Oh, let’s not forget that the interference in the last election happened on Obama’s watch and Trump had nothing to do with it.

 

He was or wasn’t impeached depending on who you ask. Remember, your expert impeachment witness that testified that the phone call was impeachable says he’s not impeached, right? So are young claiming to know better than your own Harvard Law Professor impeachment expert? 
 

In any event, the left has been promising to impeach him since he won the election, so to pretend this is some big deal is nonsense. I get it, the left is foaming at the mouth to get him out of office, I don’t blame them. Were I a leftist I would want him out too, but I’m not, so I don’t. 
 

Clinton had committed eleven (11) felonies before he was impeached.

To summarize:

 

HRC, a moderate Democrat who understands the law, would have appointed two Supreme Court Justices and would have done other unspecified things you consider left-wing.  Why not specify some of these left-wing things?

 

You want him to investigate "possible corruption" for which you and Trump have no evidence.  You have no problem with Trump withholding evidence of possible corruption in his administration by obstructing Congressional oversight in every way possible. 

 

Apparently you don't think tax cuts that went almost entirely to the rich and praise for dictators such as Putin and Kim Jong Un qualifies as catering to the rich in this country and tyrants elsewhere.

 

How much time does Trump spend golfing?  About 25%.  https://www.newsweek.com/trump-150-days-presidency-trump-golf-club-1090729

 

How much does he work?  Very little, unless you consider watching TV and tweeting work:  https://www.newsweek.com/trump-leaked-schedule-executive-time-workday-lazy-private-white-house-oval-1316287

 

How many golf days are with world leaders?  I couldn't find any info, which probably means very few.  Why don't you provide some numbers showing he's doing legitimate "work" while he golfs.

 

Really?  You don't know about him pushing to hold the next G7 meeting at one of his properties, or pushing VP Pence to stay at a Trump resort while he was in Ireland in spite of it being far from the meetings Pence was attending?  You need a better source of news.

 

Of course Russian interference to get Trump elected happened before he was elected.  Of course Moscow Mitch, eager to get a Republican elected any way possible, stymied Obama's attempt at a bi-partisan response to this interference.  What's your point?

 

The House voted to impeach him.  He is impeached.  Get over it.

 

 

 

 

[jany123]

20 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Unless you are greeting at Walmart or serving fries with Big Macs you have involvement with the market. Even those people benefit because at least they have a job.

 

Whatever my little sliver represents my  liquid net worth went up now 70% in two years, 20% since the impeachment hearings.

 

I don't need to be jealous other people have more. Instead of sitting around rotting and complaining on web forums I am taking the steps to crawl up that ladder. Without the top percent there wouldn't be a market of great volume for people like me to benefit from.

 

Aside from that everything in your life counts on the markets. Your cars, computers, clothes, phone, house, etc. Give all of those up before you start saying you don't benefit or the average person doesn't. Without the markets and the companies that drive them we would all be living in mud huts. 

 

 

You make as much sense as one of those them thar crazee “creationists”.... the first stock market started in 1602.... So.... I’m pretty sure “haves and have nots” preceded any stock market... building too, such that folk didn’t need to live in mud huts, preceded stock markets.

 

more importantly, business and innovation existed before the stock market. Business created the market... not the other way around

 

but hey ho, your doing well from President Obama’s continued legacy of good fiscal policy... good for you. 

Edited December 27, 2019 by jany123

[lannarebirth]

31 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Unless you are greeting at Walmart or serving fries with Big Macs you have involvement with the market. Even those people benefit because at least they have a job.

 

Whatever my little sliver represents my  liquid net worth went up now 70% in two years, 20% since the impeachment hearings.

 

I don't need to be jealous other people have more. Instead of sitting around rotting and complaining on web forums I am taking the steps to crawl up that ladder. Without the top percent there wouldn't be a market of great volume for people like me to benefit from.

 

Aside from that everything in your life counts on the markets. Your cars, computers, clothes, phone, house, etc. Give all of those up before you start saying you don't benefit or the average person doesn't. Without the markets and the companies that drive them we would all be living in mud huts. 

 

 

I think you've got it backwards. If it weren't for all those people working there wouldn't be any rich people. And I don't begrudge anyone their wealth. I only begrudge that it has become so lopsided in America that the rich are relative deadbeats and that their wealth can buy them any laws they see fit to maintain that advantage. That's all going to change soon. I hope that change comes at the ballot box.

[rabas]

5 hours ago, jany123 said:

You make as much sense as one of those them thar crazee “creationists”.... the first stock market started in 1602.... So.... I’m pretty sure “haves and have nots” preceded any stock market... building too, such that folk didn’t need to live in mud huts, preceded stock markets.

 

more importantly, business and innovation existed before the stock market. Business created the market... not the other way around

 

but hey ho, your doing well from President Obama’s continued legacy of good fiscal policy... good for you. 

So it was the Romans, not Obama?

 

[mogandave]

7 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

That was a tremendous effort to do. Kudos to you.

Tremendous waste of time more like, but thanks!

[mogandave]

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

To summarize:

 

HRC, a moderate Democrat

 

To you

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

who understands the law,

Yet breaks it anyway

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

would have appointed two

...leftist...

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

Supreme Court Justices and would have done other unspecified things you consider left-wing.  Why not specify some of these left-wing things?

To what end?

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

You want him to investigate "possible corruption" for which you and Trump have no evidence.  You have no problem with Trump withholding evidence of possible corruption in his administration by obstructing Congressional oversight in every way possible. 

Please don’t lie about what I say. I didn’t say I wanted him to investigate corruption, I said I don’t care. You (apparently) don’t want him investigating corruption, I don’t blame you.
 

As far as I can tell, the only thing he is “obstructing” in Congress is the house trying to remove him from office. As I understand it, he does not have to cooperate until all legal avenues are exhausted. Same as the last President.

 

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

Apparently you don't think tax cuts that went almost entirely to the rich and praise for dictators such as Putin and Kim Jong Un qualifies as catering to the rich in this country and tyrants elsewhere.

No, apparently I don’t buy into regurgitated left-wing talking points about the greedy rich. The poor don’t pay income tax, so that leaves the “rich” to pay them and benefit from the cuts. I got a tax cut so I guess that makes me rich, woo-hoo!

 

And no, unlike you I don’t see anything wrong with pointing out good points about people you dislike or even despise, particularly if you are attempting to negotiate with them. “You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.”
 

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

How much time does Trump spend golfing?  About 25%.  https://www.newsweek.com/trump-150-days-presidency-trump-golf-club-1090729

 

How much does he work?  Very little, unless you consider watching TV and tweeting work:  https://www.newsweek.com/trump-leaked-schedule-executive-time-workday-lazy-private-white-house-oval-1316287

 

How many golf days are with world leaders?  I couldn't find any info, which probably means very few.  Why don't you provide some numbers showing he's doing legitimate "work" while he golfs.

Or it just means the people that want to beat him up for golfing have no interest in providing information about who he’s golfing with. But I’m sure it’s just because they don’t want to make him look bad. 

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

Really?  You don't know about him pushing to hold the next G7 meeting at one of his properties, or pushing VP Pence to stay at a Trump resort while he was in Ireland in spite of it being far from the meetings Pence was attending?  You need a better source of news.

Oh, I knew about those things. If he were compelling people to stay, overcharging, giving kickbacks or cheating it would bother me. He has nice properties and he’s proud of them. Doesn’t bother me.

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

Of course Russian interference to get Trump elected happened before he was elected.  Of course Moscow Mitch, eager to get a Republican elected any way possible, stymied Obama's attempt at a bi-partisan response to this interference.  What's your point?

Why is Adam Schiff and others on the left intentionally pushing the lie that Trump interfered with the last election?
 

Why does it only bother you when Trump lies? 

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

The House voted to impeach him.  He is impeached.  Get over it.

What happen, you get sleepy? I didn’t saw he wasn’t impeached, I said your expert impeachment witness, the Harvard Law professor that said the phone call was an impeachable offense said he wasn’t impeached. 
 

I’m happy about it either way. 
 

 

[mogandave]

6 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

I think you've got it backwards. If it weren't for all those people working there wouldn't be any rich people. And I don't begrudge anyone their wealth. I only begrudge that it has become so lopsided in America that the rich are relative deadbeats and that their wealth can buy them any laws they see fit to maintain that advantage. That's all going to change soon. I hope that change comes at the ballot box.

So what do you think needs to be done to make it less lopsided? 
 

What can be done at the ballot box?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

To you

Yet breaks it anyway

...leftist...

To what end?

Please don’t lie about what I say. I didn’t say I wanted him to investigate corruption, I said I don’t care. You (apparently) don’t want him investigating corruption, I don’t blame you.
 

As far as I can tell, the only thing he is “obstructing” in Congress is the house trying to remove him from office. As I understand it, he does not have to cooperate until all legal avenues are exhausted. Same as the last President.

 

No, apparently I don’t buy into regurgitated left-wing talking points about the greedy rich. The poor don’t pay income tax, so that leaves the “rich” to pay them and benefit from the cuts. I got a tax cut so I guess that makes me rich, woo-hoo!

 

And no, unlike you I don’t see anything wrong with pointing out good points about people you dislike or even despise, particularly if you are attempting to negotiate with them. “You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.”
 

Or it just means the people that want to beat him up for golfing have no interest in providing information about who he’s golfing with. But I’m sure it’s just because they don’t want to make him look bad. 

Oh, I knew about those things. If he were compelling people to stay, overcharging, giving kickbacks or cheating it would bother me. He has nice properties and he’s proud of them. Doesn’t bother me.

Why is Adam Schiff and others on the left intentionally pushing the lie that Trump interfered with the last election?
 

Why does it only bother you when Trump lies? 

What happen, you get sleepy? I didn’t saw he wasn’t impeached, I said your expert impeachment witness, the Harvard Law professor that said the phone call was an impeachable offense said he wasn’t impeached. 
 

I’m happy about it either way. 
 

 

Apparently you can't specify Hillary Clinton's leftist policies, or don't know how to define leftist. 

 

The only law Hillary Clinton broke is one that makes it illegal to mishandle classified information, even if the mishandling is unintentional  No one has ever been sent to jail for unintentional mishandling of classified.  There aren't enough prisons.  Everyone who has discussed classified that was made it into the news would have to be locked up.  Classified doesn't become unclassified just because it has been published.  And Trump, by encouraging people to read Wikileaks, would be a major felon.

 

You don't care that Trump wants publicly announced investigations against Joe Biden, a political opponent, when there is no evidence Biden did anything wrong.  In other words, you don't care if Trump politicizes the justice department and weakens democracy in the process.

 

I want corruption investigated where there is evidence of corruption.  There is no evidence of Joe Biden doing anything corrupt.  There is overwhelming evidence of Trump asking a foreign government to announce a public investigation of a political opponent, an announcement that would help Trump politically.  That is corrupt.

 

The middle class pay the bulk of taxes in the US, and their share of Trump's tax cut is trivial.  If you received a less than trivial tax cut then yes, you are rich.

 

By your admission, you see nothing wrong with a US policy based on pointing out the good in despots and ignoring their crimes.  I'll let that speak for itself.  And I've seen nothing good come from Trump buttering up these despots.

 

Trump, after criticizing the time Obama spent golfing, is spending far more time golfing, and you can't provide any sources that indicate he's doing "work" while golfing.

 

Trump claimed to have handed over the running of his businesses to his sons; remember?  He's not supposed to promote his properties while President.  It's called ethics, perhaps you're unfamiliar with the term.  People in the military aren't allowed to offer candy from their children's fund raiser or promote a charity from the office.  Trump, the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces, is promoting his properties on international television when he is supposed to be addressing the nation's interests.  If you see nothing wrong with that then concepts such as ethics and everyone equal under the law are beyond you.

 

When did Adam Schiff "push the lie" that Trump illegally interfered in the last election?  Sources please.

 

I expect politicians, marketing types, cheating husbands and naughty children to attempt to twist the truth to their advantage. I am embarrassed when the President routinely tells blatant, obvious, idiotic lies.  It makes the US a laughing stock on the world stage.

 

Provide a source for your claim that a law professor claimed Trump was not impeached and I'll address that.  I suspect the comment in context is not so clear.

 

 

Edited December 28, 2019 by heybruce

[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

So what do you think needs to be done to make it less lopsided? 
 

What can be done at the ballot box?

I think income taxes need to be steeper at the high end, close many tax loopholes and institute a VAT tax that exempts food and other necessities.

 

At the ballot box I think you have to vote in nonstablishment candidates that put people's well being ahead of the demands of the market. People should not be defined by their economic worth.

[zydeco]

8 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

I think you've got it backwards. If it weren't for all those people working there wouldn't be any rich people. And I don't begrudge anyone their wealth. I only begrudge that it has become so lopsided in America that the rich are relative deadbeats and that their wealth can buy them any laws they see fit to maintain that advantage. That's all going to change soon. I hope that change comes at the ballot box.

He's caught up in stawk euphoria. Sounds a lot like the novice "investors" I knew back before the dot-com crash in 2000 and the real estate bubble and Financial Crisis in 2008. People thought they were smart about stocks then, too, got greedy, and then got vaporized in the selloff. He'll get vaporized, too.

[lannarebirth]

6 minutes ago, zydeco said:

He's caught up in stawk euphoria. Sounds a lot like the novice "investors" I knew back before the dot-com crash in 2000 and the real estate bubble and Financial Crisis in 2008. People thought they were smart about stocks then, too, got greedy, and then got vaporized in the selloff. He'll get vaporized, too.

I hope he does great but I find his constant association of all things to the market disturbing. People are people first. They may be economic actors as well, but they are human beings first and members of a society. Markets are but an artificial construct trying to assign an economic value to all things, which is a tremendously faulty way of viewing the world. The reason capitalism exists in oursociety is it has been determined it is the best way to serve people. We seem to have lost our way and got it the wrong way around now.

Edited December 28, 2019 by lannarebirth

[Boon Mee]

Only persons who want Trump impeached are those who too blind to see.

Overriding TDS is a terrible affliction.

 

MAGA

[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

Only persons who want Trump impeached are those who too blind to see.

Overriding TDS is a terrible affliction.

 

MAGA

 

It is better to worship ideals then men. C'mon, get off your knees.

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

Overriding TDS is a terrible affliction.

TDS (Wiki..feel intense dislike or disgust for) Is described as a deep loathing of Trump and I see no problem with that, because there is absolutely nothing to like about this poor excuse for a human being, and there is everything to be disgusted about in regard to his lying, cheating and corruption.......and that's just to mention a few.

 

Oh, and he is as dumb as a bag of rocks!

[metisdead]

A troll post has been removed. 

[mogandave]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Apparently you can't specify Hillary Clinton's leftist policies, or don't know how to define leftist. 

I said she would appoint leftist judges. I’m sorry of that was not clear. 
 

The ACA and raising taxes on the rich are examples of leftism. 
 

Equality and free markets are examples of liberalism and conservatism.

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

The only law Hillary Clinton broke is one that makes it illegal to mishandle classified information, even if the mishandling is unintentional  No one has ever been sent to jail for unintentional mishandling of classified.  There aren't enough prisons.  Everyone who has discussed classified that was made it into the news would have to be locked up.  Classified doesn't become unclassified just because it has been published.  And Trump, by encouraging people to read Wikileaks, would be a major felon.

Right, not even a parking ticket in 70 years...

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

You don't care that Trump wants publicly announced investigations against Joe Biden, a political opponent, when there is no evidence Biden did anything wrong.  In other words, you don't care if Trump politicizes the justice department and weakens democracy in the process.

I don’t know that he wanted a public announcement

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

I want corruption investigated where there is evidence of corruption.  There is no evidence of Joe Biden doing anything corrupt.  There is overwhelming evidence of Trump asking a foreign government to announce a public investigation of a political opponent, an announcement that would help Trump politically.  That is corrupt.

And Trump is being investigated, yes? I think determining whether or not Biden has done anything is pertinent to the case against Trump? you don’t, whatever. The Justice Department may already have evidence and may already be investigating Biden.

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

The middle class pay the bulk of taxes in the US, and their share of Trump's tax cut is trivial.  If you received a less than trivial tax cut then yes, you are rich.

We are talking specifically about federal income taxes, not the regressive taxes, many of which I think should be eliminated.

 

look at a pie-chart

 

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

By your admission, you see nothing wrong with a US policy based on pointing out the good in despots and ignoring their crimes.  I'll let that speak for itself.  And I've seen nothing good come from Trump buttering up these despots.

Now you’re lying again. I never said anything about ignoring the the crimes of despots. You made that up.
 

For someone that moans on about Trump lying, you sure like to play fast and loose with the truth. I’ll let that speak for itself.

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

 

Trump, after criticizing the time Obama spent golfing, is spending far more time golfing, and you can't provide any sources that indicate he's doing "work" while golfing.

Yes, he likes to golf, I get it. You hate it, it doesn’t bother me.

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Trump claimed to have handed over the running of his businesses to his sons; remember?  He's not supposed to promote his properties while President.  It's called ethics, perhaps you're unfamiliar with the term.  People in the military aren't allowed to offer candy from their children's fund raiser or promote a charity from the office.  Trump, the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces, is promoting his properties on international television when he is supposed to be addressing the nation's interests.  If you see nothing wrong with that then concepts such as ethics and everyone equal under the law re beyond you.

Yes, he brags about how great his properties are. Meanwhile occupancy is way down. He can’t be doing too much to to promote them.  

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

When did Adam Schiff "push the lie" that Trump illegally interfered in the last election?  Sources please.

Will you call for Schiff’s impeachment if I did up the clips? I thought not.

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

I expect politicians, marketing types, cheating husbands and naughty children to attempt to twist the truth to their advantage. I am embarrassed when the President routinely tells blatant, obvious, idiotic lies.  It makes the US a laughing stock on the world stage.

I don’t care that you’re embarrassed, what he says embarrasses me sometimes, but not enough that I’m willing to watch the left flush my country down the toilet.

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Provide a source for your claim that a law professor claimed Trump was not impeached and I'll address that.  I suspect the comment in context is not so clear.

It’s easy to find, just search Noah Feldman, Trump not impeached. 
 

It is absolutely clear, and I have explained it a few times, but everyone here already seems to know everything they ever will. 

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, zydeco said:

Yes, because that rambling, incoherent reflection of senility was actually his masterful craft and stable genius at work, a demonstration of his great and unmatched wisdom.

Still don't get it?

[mogandave]

5 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Completely wrong. Proved wrong. But the lies live on.

How was it proven wrong, and by who? 
 

A CNN interview?

[zydeco]

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

I hope he does great but I find his constant association of all things to the market disturbing. People are people first. They may be economic actors as well, but they are human beings first and members of a society. Markets are but an artificial construct trying to assign an economic value to all things, which is a tremendously faulty way of viewing the world. The reason capitalism exists in oursociety is it has been determined it is the best way to serve people. We seem to have lost our way and got it the wrong way around now.

Today's markets have little resemblance to traditional ones. They are entirely rigged. Trump and the Fed have literally jawboned the markets up since last December. Trump and his minions have gone out just about every day and talked about an imminent trade agreement with China. And after one year, he basically has nothing. If a private citizen did this, the SEC would investigate and put them in jail. Martha Stewart did real time for less. Meanwhile Trump is screaming for the Fed to cut rates and increase QE, which is now at record levels of injection. And they complied. Trump seems to think that the economy is measured like his golf score, the lower the rates the better. He is a criminal. And so are the bankers and billionaires behind the market manipulation. When it crashes. And it will. People will be roaming the streets looking for them to be put in stocks and worse.

[Eric Loh]

8 minutes ago, oby said:

the biden crime family traveled to china on air force 2. crack head biden walked away with over $1.2 billion for *investment purchases.. 2018 joe biden bragged he blackmailed ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating his travesties.  under investigation it appears the fired prosecutor was poisoned in attempts to silence him.  the entire matter is now before the courts in ukraine.   the fake news media will not report the truth but the truth will surface.. crack head biden will be tripped up in american courts when he will have to surrender banking information as ordered by an Arkansas judge...

wake up, your denial is simply another symptom of TDS

Facts matter mate. Yours was conspiracy theories promoted by Trump and Giuliani. Wake up and smell the roses and avoid the poison ivy of scam artists like Trump and Giuliani. Good lord we will not see Trump after 2020 and Giuliani in the slammer.   

[mogandave]

8 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Today's markets have little resemblance to traditional ones. They are entirely rigged. Trump and the Fed have literally jawboned the markets up since last December. Trump and his minions have gone out just about every day and talked about an imminent trade agreement with China. And after one year, he basically has nothing. If a private citizen did this, the SEC would investigate and put them in jail. Martha Stewart did real time for less. Meanwhile Trump is screaming for the Fed to cut rates and increase QE, which is now at record levels of injection. And they complied. Trump seems to think that the economy is measured like his golf score, the lower the rates the better. He is a criminal. And so are the bankers and billionaires behind the market manipulation. When it crashes. And it will. People will be roaming the streets looking for them to be put in stocks and worse.

I don’t remember anyone on the left squealing about QE back when it started. 
 

That said, I think it needs to end. 
 

But I’m not clear. The general consensus here seems to be that only the greedy rich benefit form the market. 
 

If that is so, will it not only be the greedy rich roaming the streets?

 

Is that not a good thing?

[lannarebirth]

4 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Today's markets have little resemblance to traditional ones. They are entirely rigged. Trump and the Fed have literally jawboned the markets up since last December. Trump and his minions have gone out just about every day and talked about an imminent trade agreement with China. And after one year, he basically has nothing. If a private citizen did this, the SEC would investigate and put them in jail. Martha Stewart did real time for less. Meanwhile Trump is screaming for the Fed to cut rates and increase QE, which is now at record levels of injection. And they complied. Trump seems to think that the economy is measured like his golf score, the lower the rates the better. He is a criminal. And so are the bankers and billionaires behind the market manipulation. When it crashes. And it will. People will be roaming the streets looking for them to be put in stocks and worse.

 

That's all news of the day but it's time to think much bigger about the kind of society people want to live in. Yes, Trump's an a-hole, but do you really think the neoliberal Democrat that might have been elected would do much different, aside from the grandstanding and vulgarity? It's time for people to think about the kind of society they want and most of the leaders on offer are no different than all the other ones that have managed the steady decline of this nation. Can you imagine? Richard Nixon was the last progressive president! Carter was a change agent from whom we chose to take a turn for the worse. Trump is a change agent as well. Hopefully we make the right choice this time, but I find most people are really really stupid and act as agents for those who work against their own interests.