Christianity Today again slams Trump, raises issue of 'unconditional loyalty'

[mogandave]

11 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

depending on the circumstance, if your daughter or wife was raped and became pregnant wouldn't you be in favour? if a girl became pregnant through incest and she wanted an abortion you would disagree? If a woman was told that her unborn child had a terrible deformity you would refuse her an abortion? What about poverty? do you think that the pope would financially support a poor family in order for them to have the child (starvation isn't very nice apparently). I don't think that 'go forth and multiply' meant switching off your brain, the world is already overpopulated, if you followed the instructions of the bible mankind would be finished, no need for a second coming there would be no one left to greet him.

What percentage of abortion is a result of incest or rape? Abortion has become just another form of birth control. 
 

I think the idea that it somehow empowers women is silly. Who really benefits? “Why buy the cow if you get free milk?”
 

I don’t care a lot about abortion one way or another, certainty not enough to sway my vote, but I do think it should be taken a little more seriously than a nose-ring or having a tooth pulled. 

[Chazar]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Religion is the place holder for understanding

its  the complete opposite , a total  lack of understanding

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

depending on the circumstance, if your daughter or wife was raped and became pregnant wouldn't you be in favour? if a girl became pregnant through incest and she wanted an abortion you would disagree? If a woman was told that her unborn child had a terrible deformity you would refuse her an abortion? What about poverty? do you think that the pope would financially support a poor family in order for them to have the child (starvation isn't very nice apparently). I don't think that 'go forth and multiply' meant switching off your brain, the world is already overpopulated, if you followed the instructions of the bible mankind would be finished, no need for a second coming there would be no one left to greet him.

You are talking to the wrong dude. I want free abortion on demand with no Dr interviews, and no restrictions within first trimester. Gotta get the world's population down somehow.

I have no idea why you thought I was against abortion.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

What percentage of abortion is a result of incest or rape? Abortion has become just another form of birth control. 
 

I think the idea that it somehow empowers women is silly. Who really benefits? “Why buy the cow if you get free milk?”
 

I don’t care a lot about abortion one way or another, certainty not enough to sway my vote, but I do think it should be taken a little more seriously than a nose-ring or having a tooth pulled. 

I disagree. The more abortions the better to save the planet from the human hordes.

I read somewhere that in Japan it's easily available and a simple procedure.

[White Christmas13]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Far as I can see, American evangelicals care more about abortion than the morality of the POTUS.

They certainly ain't, IMO, going to stay home and allow an pro abortionist to rule the country, which is what any Dems candidate is probably going to be.

Sad

[candide]

The incoherence/hypocrisy (choose what you prefer) of evangelists is obvious:

-against abortion

-but against contraception which reduces the number of abortion case

- also against spending budget on social care, which allows poor women to raise kids instead of aborting.

 

Ooops! I forgot: vote for dead pumps.

[canuckamuck]

5 hours ago, mogandave said:

People often confuse liberalism with leftism. Nothing wrong with liberals except that have not disassociated themselves from the left, yet.

 You go too far right or left you get authoritarianism. Since  the liberals are married to the left, they have abandoned liberal ideas and embraced authoritarianism. (free speech is now hate speech)

I was a liberal before they moved too far away. Somehow I became far right, despite having moved gradually left.

Of course far-right is not how I describe it. The center is now the far horizon for the liberals.

[Nigel Garvie]

3 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Unconditional loyalty, just as the Lord commanded or death.  I suspect the death part will come after King Trump is rigged by Pooty again.

 

Deuteronomy - Chapter 13t

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9977/jewish/Chapter-13.html

 

Basically, Kill your family and friends if they don't believe in the Jewish god!

 

 

The Old Testament is certainly one of the foulest books ever written. Complete instructions for genocide are contained in the book of Numbers, basically kill them all but keep the virgins for your own pleasure. Then there is the concept of original sin, how twisted do you have to be to come up with that one, well done Judaeism. . All three Abrahamic faiths have  been disgusting at different stages. Where are the Malachites and Midianites, looks like the Palestinians are destined for a similar fate. Medieval Christian torture knows no equal for human cruelty in anything I have read. Fundamentalists of Islam are currently doing everything they cant go keep up the awful reputation of Abramahic faiths. I don't suppose you can say thank God for Bhuddism, but I am grateful for at least one set of beliefs that sees the sky fairy myth as laughable.

 

What is behind this obsession with abortion? Basically the same thing that is behind the Burka, and the vast number of religious rules that have been created solely to control women. A bunch of sick old men in ludicrous robes or flash suits, realise that they need to brainwash men and women into believing that there is something "holy" about their beliefs that cannot be questioned. I never cease to be amazed how many millions of women all over the world - like a bunch of cows on tranquillisers - accept being exploited this way. Such is the endless success of conmen with sheep, in politics as well as religion.

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, candide said:

The incoherence/hypocrisy (choose what you prefer) of evangelists is obvious:

-against abortion

-but against contraception which reduces the number of abortion case

- also against spending budget on social care, which allows poor women to raise kids instead of aborting.

 

Ooops! I forgot: vote for dead pumps.

I don’t believe evangelicals are generally against contraception, that would be Catholics, you know like Nancy, the Speaker of the house that believes fairytales.
 

Evangelicals and Catholics are also typically only against the government spending tax money on social programs that more often than not, tend to keep people in poverty rather than raising them out.

 

Religious people also donate far more of their time and money to help the poor than do non religious people. Many churches operate and or fund shelters all over the world. 

 

In contrast, the left is trying to shut the Salvation Army down. An organization that has been in continuous operation for over 150 years, has facilities all over the world and helps millions of people (myself included) every year regardless of race, faith or sexual orientation. 
 

Unfortunately, The Salvation Army refuses to allow women with penises to stay in their women’s shelters. They do offer shelter space for such women,  just not in the same dormitories with women that have vaginas, many of whom have been battered and or abused by men with penises. 

You think the left cares more about the poor because they want to take other people’s money and use it to buy votes, while the right spends their own money and actually tries to help them. 
 

Hypocrites indeed. 

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, canuckamuck said:

 You go too far right or left you get authoritarianism. Since  the liberals are married to the left, they have abandoned liberal ideas and embraced authoritarianism. (free speech is now hate speech)

I was a liberal before they moved too far away. Somehow I became far right, despite having moved gradually left.

Of course far-right is not how I describe it. The center is now the far horizon for the liberals.

No, while I agree that extreme left ends at totalitarianism, the extreme right ends at anarchy, 

 

One is all government, the other is no government. 

[metisdead]

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[candide]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

I don’t believe evangelicals are generally against contraception, that would be Catholics, you know like Nancy, the Speaker of the house that believes fairytales.
 

Evangelicals and Catholics are also typically only against the government spending tax money on social programs that more often than not, tend to keep people in poverty rather than raising them out.

 

Religious people also donate far more of their time and money to help the poor than do non religious people. Many churches operate and or fund shelters all over the world. 

 

In contrast, the left is trying to shut the Salvation Army down. An organization that has been in continuous operation for over 150 years, has facilities all over the world and helps millions of people (myself included) every year regardless of race, faith or sexual orientation. 
 

Unfortunately, The Salvation Army refuses to allow women with penises to stay in their women’s shelters. They do offer shelter space for such women,  just not in the same dormitories with women that have vaginas, many of whom have been battered and or abused by men with penises. 

You think the left cares more about the poor because they want to take other people’s money and use it to buy votes, while the right spends their own money and actually tries to help them. 
 

Hypocrites indeed. 

It's true that Evangelists have traditionally been more open to contraception than Catholics. However, it seems that  at least some of them are getting near to the Catholic position.

[PremiumLane]

14 hours ago, mogandave said:

Fortunately, I think it a good bet that most evangelicals care more about post-birth abortion, being called racist, being called deplorable, being called stupid and their daughters being compelled to share bathrooms and locker-rooms with women that have penises than they do about Trump talking crudely, attacking the media and trying to get Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. 
 

We’ll see. 

There is no post-birth abortion (that would be murder not abortion), there is zero evidence of sexual abuse arising from trans women using bathrooms - it is a made up right-wing smear, if you say racist rubbish then you are a racists - so I guess all this is why people call them stupid ???? 

[PremiumLane]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

No, while I agree that extreme left ends at totalitarianism, the extreme right ends at anarchy, 

 

One is all government, the other is no government. 

Well you have zero understanding of what anarchism is then - did you learn about politics off Fox News or something?

[HuskerDo]

12 hours ago, Sujo said:

Whats wrong with bashing people who believe in fairy tales.

 

Go ahead and bash Christians. Won't have any affect on us but in the end it'll have a huge impact on you. 

[PremiumLane]

3 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

 You go too far right or left you get authoritarianism. Since  the liberals are married to the left, they have abandoned liberal ideas and embraced authoritarianism. (free speech is now hate speech)

I was a liberal before they moved too far away. Somehow I became far right, despite having moved gradually left.

Of course far-right is not how I describe it. The center is now the far horizon for the liberals.

Free speech is not hate speech, there are just consequences to speech. If you go around saying people should be killed because of their race, religion, sexual identity etc. then expect consequences - it ain't rocket science. 

[PremiumLane]

1 minute ago, HuskerDo said:

Go ahead and bash Christians. Won't have any affect on us but in the end it'll have a huge impact on you. 

which hell will we end up in? Cos there have been so many of them through the ages from so many different gods, and what a moral system that is, believe in me or I will punish you forever... no thanks

[canuckamuck]

22 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

Free speech is not hate speech, there are just consequences to speech. If you go around saying people should be killed because of their race, religion, sexual identity etc. then expect consequences - it ain't rocket science. 

Talk to Twitter and Facebook about all the accounts they have shut down for having the wrong opinions.

[elliss]

15 hours ago, Berkshire said:

It's pretty clear that ALL Trump supporters are tied to Trump's "rampant immorality, greed, and corruption."

 

 Hold your horses mate .  

    Our democratically elected UK. Prime Minster ,

is a confirmed christian,  also a dedicated  supporter of  President Donald Trump.

  Maybe UK, ill educated electorate, need a second chance....

 

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, HuskerDo said:

Go ahead and bash Christians. Won't have any affect on us but in the end it'll have a huge impact on you. 

How?

[rabas]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

3 hours ago, HuskerDo said:

Go ahead and bash Christians. Won't have any affect on us but in the end it'll have a huge impact on you. 

How?

Google "does hating affect your health?" and come back in a few years after you finish reading. 219,000,000 hits. And that is just your physical health.

 

But the people you hate don't feel a thing. 

[candide]

3 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Talk to Twitter and Facebook about all the accounts they have shut down for having the wrong opinions.

You mean fake accounts operated by AI? ????

"Facebook noted that many of the fake accounts used in the latest campaign employed false profile photos that appeared to have been generated by artificial intelligence. Those accounts would post BL content in other Facebook groups while pretending to be Americans. Pro-Trump messages were often posted “at very high frequencies” and linked to off-platform sites belonging to the BL and The Epoch Times. The accounts and pages were managed by individuals in the US and Vietnam."

https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/20/21031823/facebook-twitter-trump-network-epoch-times-inauthentic-behavior

[Becker]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

But the people you hate don't feel a thing. 

So they're emotionally stunted? What a shame!

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, PremiumLane said:

which hell will we end up in? Cos there have been so many of them through the ages from so many different gods, and what a moral system that is, believe in me or I will punish you forever... no thanks

Where does he mention hell in the quote?

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, mogandave said:

No, while I agree that extreme left ends at totalitarianism, the extreme right ends at anarchy, 

 

One is all government, the other is no government. 

Given the choice between being ruled by a leftist, PC government that wants to control every aspect of my life and anarchy, I'll take anarchy.

[rabas]

5 hours ago, Becker said:

6 hours ago, rabas said:

But the people you hate don't feel a thing. 

So they're emotionally stunted? What a shame!

... says the poster who recently said that nothing anyone said about him bothered him in the least!  So..

 

[canuckamuck]

6 hours ago, candide said:

You mean fake accounts operated by AI? ????

"Facebook noted that many of the fake accounts used in the latest campaign employed false profile photos that appeared to have been generated by artificial intelligence. Those accounts would post BL content in other Facebook groups while pretending to be Americans. Pro-Trump messages were often posted “at very high frequencies” and linked to off-platform sites belonging to the BL and The Epoch Times. The accounts and pages were managed by individuals in the US and Vietnam."

https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/20/21031823/facebook-twitter-trump-network-epoch-times-inauthentic-behavior

 No I mean real people with conservative views, Youtube too. Lots of info out there if you leave the main stream bubble.

[candide]

26 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

 No I mean real people with conservative views, Youtube too. Lots of info out there if you leave the main stream bubble.

Source?

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

... says the poster who recently said that nothing anyone said about him bothered him in the least!  So..

 

And that the left attacks the people who don’t agree with them about Trump (or anything) as fools, haters, racists, misogynists, xenophobic, homophobic and cultists is never a concern. 
 

THAT’S not hate. 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, mogandave said:

And that the left attacks the people who don’t agree with them about Trump (or anything) as fools, haters, racists, misogynists, xenophobic, homophobic and cultists is never a concern. 
 

THAT’S not hate. 

What’s the problem with seeing and calling out fools, haters, racists, misogynists, xenophobic, homophobic and cultists?

 

As the opening article points out, Christians are starting to open their eyes to the truth of what Trump is.