Happy New Year....immigration swoop on 83 year old Brit on 4,929 day overstay

[Trujillo]

"There's no need for ignorance. A lot of things are out of the control of elderly people. "

 

I can't wait to get old and then the laws no longer apply to me. 

[allenberg]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I'm sorry he was caught. I seriously doubt he was harmful to anybody. I understand the rule of law thing but there are certain cases where common sense and human compassion should play a role. Who would it have hurt to have let this old man live out his days in Thailand? 

The only people that might be hurt are the 5 or 6 testy, contentious sharks of TVF.

[Scot123]

11 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

I knew his brother Thomas also sadly gone now your NHS Bill is waiting Mr Cook????

What are you talking about? The NHS is FREE for Brits in the UK? Plus if your on a long term visa it's only something like £200 a year which covers all treatment. In the UK you are treated with dignity and respect. This poor old boy probably sold up his home in the UK built a house or bought a home in Thailand brining in foreign currency into Thailand. He hurt no one. I feel so sorry for him. This should send our alarm bells to anyone considering retiring to Thailand. Things change and you could end up losing everything and at an age you should have zero stress. I hope you have family back in the UK who care. 

[Trujillo]

"My point was that there are those who use corrupt but sanctified means to remain in this country, which immigration overlooks because it puts money into somebody's pockets."

 

And what does that have to do with this old man in question? Why do you assume he has anything to do with trying to falsify his stay given that he simply thumbed his nose at all immigration issues? 

People who might try to game the system are irrelevant here; he did not try to do this or, as another poster said, he'd not have needed to overstay. 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Trujillo

[Mister Fixit]

54 minutes ago, Captain 776 said:

ZERO sympathy.

He knew exactly what he was doing when he was 70........13 yrs ago.

 

Blatant overstays like this deserve jail time before deportation.

Fool.

[Tchooptip]

"on orders from Thailand immigration chief Lt-Gen Sompong Chingduang to rid Thailand of unwanted criminal elements and foster peace and stability in the kingdom."

 

Lt-Gen Sompong Chingduang said it well, to rid Thailand of unwanted criminal elements ???? 

It is sure that rid of an 83-year-old retiree the country is now much safer! ????

[Mister Fixit]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

That incorrect you lose access to the NHS if you are out of the country for more than 3 months 

If you're moving abroad on a permanent basis, you'll no longer be entitled to medical treatment in the UK under normal NHS rules. This is because the NHS is a residence-based healthcare system.

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/moving-abroad/planning-your-healthcare/

If you are a UK national, you have automatic right of abode in the UK. If you have been living abroad, you pass the ordinarily resident test on resuming settled residence here and are immediately entitled to free NHS non-emergency hospital care

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/globalassets/age-uk/documents/factsheets/fs25_returning_from_abroad_fcs.pdf.

 

I'm not saying you are wrong, but in that first link you posted, there is no mention that I can see of losing your NHS entitlement after only 3 months.  I did a quick Google and I can't see anything in the results that specifically tells me that.  

The second link is a very interesting read and I shall look at it in more depth later. 

EDIT - it seems that whether a permanent resident or not, emergency treatment at an A&E department is always provided free.

 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Mister Fixit

[tommyboy79]

Yes, I am sure this man was a hardcore criminal.....yep....In the days of democracy-I overstayed for up to a year and nothing happened-I once went to good ol' soi suan plu (not they put it further out to make it harder) I once went in and spoke to an immigration officer and showed him my Passport saying and showing that I was a year overstay and "how do I get legal"-he did nothing...I simply payed the overstay fee as their "toll"-now you get hunted down, arrested, jailed, deported and banned....yes, Prayuth is a wonderful leader isn't he? 

[tommyboy79]

Oh, add to that, I would then come and go every month-you do a tourist visa re-entry now one or two too many times and get refused re-entry....and Thailand complains about low tourism-LOL-they make it impossible to stay in the country for more than a day....

[Tchooptip]

11 hours ago, Old Croc said:

As usual the article leaves out the reasons for this character overstaying for so many years.  Everyone assumes the scant, published details are the full story. 

Of course the Thaivisa social workers all presume he is an exemplary character Just because he's achieved great age.

Unless you know him intimately how do you know he's led a good life? His decision to ignore the immigration laws of his adopted country suggest to me otherwise.

Remember the old adage, only the good die young. Some of the most infamous people on the planet reach high age.

 if i were you I would change my username after what you just said Old Croc it's not very great????

[Benmart]

The very nature of this "story" highlights the inept, misguided and "Key Stone Cop" nature of this uniformed institution. RTP should leave out the "R", as it is an insult.

[elliss]

12 hours ago, BestB said:

Oh yeah, no doubt he was A hardcore criminal 

 

 We just dont want his type here , giving us quality farlangs / aliens , a bad name .

    Job well done , send him home to blighty ..

 

[vinny41]

41 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said:

I'm not saying you are wrong, but in that first link you posted, there is no mention that I can see of losing your NHS entitlement after only 3 months.  I did a quick Google and I can't see anything in the results that specifically tells me that.  

The second link is a very interesting read and I shall look at it in more depth later. 

EDIT - it seems that whether a permanent resident or not, emergency treatment at an A&E department is always provided free.

 

Here is a reply from the Department of Health its 6 months not 3 as I previously stated 

Anyone who lives outside this country for more than six months is no
longer automatically entitled to free NHS hospital treatment.  If the
person is away on, for example, a one-off extended holiday, then they will
continue to be fully entitled to free hospital treatment as soon as they
return to live permanently in the UK.  

Right to NHS care if you have been on extended holiday of 6 months or longer.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/right_to_nhs_care_if_you_have_be

 

 

[steven100]

2 hours ago, aspenbkk said:

They have emptied his wallet and accounts now get out no doubt. 

of coarse they have ... TVF delusional  ....   

[elliss]

2 hours ago, ben2talk said:

Almost as bad as being black, so I'm told.

 

    However that said, the majority of black guys , are good guys .

     As for aliens, well thats another story ...

 

 

Edited January 4, 2020 by elliss

[Foexie]

15 hours ago, colinneil said:

How pathetic coming out with a comment like... Got to rid Thailand of criminal elements and foster peace and stability in the Kingdom.????

Silly bug++r is just a long time overstayer, criminal, seriously!!!

So you want as many different rules for as many different persons and situations?

 

What is the use of law then? 

 

Think after 13y he knew the rules good enought to know this was what he had comming sooner or later.

 

Do i pitty him? Sure because he have to leave everything he have behind and probably nothing is waiting for him in the UK.

 

But i don't feel sorry for him.

[tropo]

3 hours ago, Trujillo said:

"There's no need for ignorance. A lot of things are out of the control of elderly people. "

 

I can't wait to get old and then the laws no longer apply to me. 

Maybe you won't have to wait long. Such comments already suggest a feebleness of mind...  

 

The discussion was about the possible reasons why the 83 year-old was on overstay, not whether or not the laws applied.

[tropo]

5 hours ago, Max69xl said:

Do you think everything is in databases in Thailand since 13 years back? It's more likely that someone snitched on him. 

Why wouldn't they have databases going back to 2006? It wasn't the dark ages back then - Immigration did have computers. Even if they didn't (have a database), they could build one. All they would need is a list of people who entered and never left.

Edited January 4, 2020 by tropo

[tlandtday]

16 hours ago, EricTh said:

This goes to show these TM30 and 90day reportings are a waste of time. 

 

Why do immigration need to take 13 years to nap an overstayer when everything is in the computer system?

 

This is laughable.

I have said all along that the new requirements would simply lead to some leaving and many more overstaying and we shall see soon enough.

[balo]

16 hours ago, Kay McDonnell said:

I would really like to know if he has invested in this country

Probably nothing when youre on 13 years overstay.  

[alexth]

Now there shall be peace and prosperity in the kingdom!!! Hooray! 

 

Silly c***s! ????

[lonewolf99]

I keep seeing posts on here when it comes to old UK passport holders being shipped home to face a "NHS bill".......for what? The National Health Service provides free medical care and if you live in Scotland you do not even pay for prescription drugs and medicine.

If they paid National Insurance for enough years before retiring they also get the full UK old age pension.

 

Personally I think this xenophobic madness from the Thais is disgusting. Just leave the old guy where he is for the last of his days. Is that too much to bloody ask?

[Edwin Cameron]

I want to know why this gentleman wasn't accorded the right of his own 'White Board' complete with pictures of this criminal, who is responsible for this blunder..?? shame on you 'Big Joke' this is discrimination at it's worst..!

[Odysseus123]

3 minutes ago, Edwin Cameron said:

I want to know why this gentleman wasn't accorded the right of his own 'White Board' complete with pictures of this criminal, who is responsible for this blunder..?? shame on you 'Big Joke' this is discrimination at it's worst..!

Naw..'Big Joke' is out....and 'Big Foot' is in...????

[RJRS1301]

1 minute ago, Odysseus123 said:

Naw..'Big Joke' is out....and 'Big Foot' is in...????

Now Big Overstay is out

[Odysseus123]

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Now Big Overstay is out

And Big Wallet will be in...

 

" 'Tis all a chequer board of nights and days.."

Edited January 4, 2020 by Odysseus123

[yogi100]

7 hours ago, Captain 776 said:

ZERO sympathy.

He knew exactly what he was doing when he was 70........13 yrs ago.

 

Blatant overstays like this deserve jail time before deportation.

That's beyond sick.

[RJRS1301]

49 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

  8 hours ago, Captain 776 said:

ZERO sympathy.

He knew exactly what he was doing when he was 70........13 yrs ago.

 

Blatant overstays like this deserve jail time before deportation

What would jail achieve ?

Jail is designed to not only "punish, but also act as a deterrent, doubt he will attmept a further overstay anywhere

[yogi100]

12 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

What would jail achieve ?

Jail is designed to not only "punish, but also act as a deterrent, doubt he will attmept a further overstay anywhere

You are directing that remark at me while quoting a post by Captain 776. I agree with you.

 

I never mentioned jail in my post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2020 by yogi100

[RJRS1301]

3 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

Why are you directing that remark at me while quoting a post by Captain 776.

 

I never mentioned jail in my post.

It was not direct to you, it was directed to the quoted post only