Happy New Year....immigration swoop on 83 year old Brit on 4,929 day overstay

[Old Croc]

2 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Oh please,

 

As my dear old dad used to say....

 

"Good lord above send down a dove

with wings as sharp as razor blades.."

Good grief!

[bkk6060]

1 hour ago, baansgr said:

People overstay for various reasons and sometimes its not intended or deliberate. Once on overstay its a dilemma what to do. At his age there could be any number of reasons, yes its wrong to overstay but give the guy a break, you don't know his history.

 

At his age?

I know the history of his criminal overstay started at 70 not exactly a feeble age.

He is sitting up, appears to be able to walk, and has a fairly heavy looking type purse strapped on.  

And, he has been "living" here so probably has some source of income.

One would think he could figure out his "reason" over 13 years.

 

Edited January 4, 2020 by bkk6060

[shackleton]

Just makes you wonder how many more are under the radar

And waiting for that knock on the door

[Old Croc]

31 minutes ago, thasoss said:

41 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

What do you mean by that?  What should I know better?

because your posts are always so judgemental

You're probably not smart enough to understand the irony of what you said.

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

This goes to show these TM30 and 90day reportings are a waste of time. 

 

Why do immigration need to take 13 years to nap an overstayer when everything is in the computer system?

 

This is laughable.

Because he won't be in 'the system' after 13 years of avoiding immigration.  They probably have him down as having left years ago. 

[bristolgeoff]

wonder who grassed him up,not for the money I think. a bad man on overstay for over a decade.a real crim for them to catch

[gaikhao]

1 hour ago, BestB said:

Oh yeah, no doubt he was A hardcore criminal 

Maybe he was. I do not know this person, but the fact that he is 83 means nothing, since we do not know what he did 25 years ago.

 

The sad reality is that  there have been a  number of  foreign criminals who have hid out in Thailand over the years. A rapist, or murderer or pedophile at age 40 doesn't magically become a beautiful person at age 80: They just become an older person.  The fact that someone is elderly  is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

 

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

hmmmm .... 83 and will be going back,  it won't be a very nice home coming.

I expect he has nothing except the OAP

Sometimes these people leave a legacy of pain and debt when they leave their homelands, so going back delivers on the adage, as ye sow, so shall ye reap.

 

1 hour ago, colinneil said:

How pathetic coming out with a comment like... Got to rid Thailand of criminal elements and foster peace and stability in the Kingdom.????

Silly bug++r is just a long time overstayer, criminal, seriously!!!

 

Yes, a 10+ year overstay is a serious criminal offence. I do not know this  man. Do you? Can you vouch for his  life to date? I don't know if he was spreading good cheer and  happiness or pain and sorrow. Do you?

 

1 hour ago, vacajan said:

The definition of crime at its narrowest! Are there no other cats to scourge?

10+ year overstay, is serious enough. What's your  recommendation - That the immigration department not enforce  its rules? The man played the system for 13 years and now he has to pay the bill.

 

1 hour ago, Mango Bob said:

They must be very proud of themselves to caught this dangerous person of the justice system here and get him off the streets before he does harm to others

Do you know who he is, and his background? Based on past experience, many of these people are indeed  dangerous. So what if he is 83. Was he  pristine pure  in previous years. I don't know and neither do you. Bosnian war criminals took up  quiet lives in the EU, Australia and Canada. To their neighbors they seemed polite and nice enough, but to their former  neighbours, they were brutal murderous thugs. 

[Just Weird]

1 hour ago, Kay McDonnell said:

I would really like to know if he has invested in this country and what if anything he leaves behind?  

Why?  Would that justify his being on a 13-year overstay?  If he has to leave anything behind that would be his fault entirely, surely?  Investment in the country doesn't negate the need for a visa. 

[sniggie]

1 hour ago, Mango Bob said:

They must be very proud of themselves to caught this dangerous person of the justice system here and get him off the streets before he does harm to others

The guy was clearly in the wrong but, at 83, should be treated with respect and dignity as due process takes place. But not here! Splashed across the media and detained in who knows what sort of conditions before his removal from the Kingdom. No shame.

[Just Weird]

1 hour ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Yeh, imagine the sort of person who revels in an 83 year old being put in a squalid prison.

Totally repugnant character imo, lowest of the low

Who was "revelling" in his arrest and where did it say that he was in a squalid prison?

[Gecko123]

1 hour ago, Momofarang said:

I will give clue.

 

Monday I boarded the BTS with the wife and our two young daughters. Some 35 years old bitch was sitting on the reserved seat, so I stared, smiled, but she didn't budge. Someone else stood up to to make room for the little one and her mum.

 

A couple of stations later some smartly dressed Thai lady, in her mid fifties came in, looked at the bitch who stood up waied and surrendered her seat.

 

Morality: For many Thais Old farang, Mia farang and Leung kreung kids are low excrement to whom seat priority doesn't apply.

 

After seeing someone else give up their seat to your wife and kids, the 35 y/o woman belatedly realized her inconsiderateness and sought to atone for it by relinquishing the seat at the first opportunity? How young are your daughters? I've seen reserved seating for pregnant woman or women with infants, the elderly and monks, but a mother with kids who can walk on their own isn't necessarily an automatic call. Just trying to be fair here.

[Just Weird]

1 hour ago, Chazar said:

Better  still round up their elderly parents and see what the Thais  think of  that......respect your elders is their motto but again its  al part of their propaganda

Do you really think that if their elderly parents had overstayed 13 years in another country where they needed a visa that they wouldn't have been arrested?  Like the country that you come from, perhaps?

[Sticky Wicket]

11 minutes ago, gaikhao said:

Maybe he was. I do not know this person, but the fact that he is 83 means nothing, since we do not know what he did 25 years ago.

 

The sad reality is that  there have been a  number of  foreign criminals who have hid out in Thailand over the years. A rapist, or murderer or pedophile at age 40 doesn't magically become a beautiful person at age 80: They just become an older person.  The fact that someone is elderly  is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

 

Sometimes these people leave a legacy of pain and debt when they leave their homelands, so going back delivers on the adage, as ye sow, so shall ye reap.

 

 

Yes, a 10+ year overstay is a serious criminal offence. I do not know this  man. Do you? Can you vouch for his  life to date? I don't know if he was spreading good cheer and  happiness or pain and sorrow. Do you?

 

10+ year overstay, is serious enough. What's your  recommendation - That the immigration department not enforce  its rules? The man played the system for 13 years and now he has to pay the bill.

 

Do you know who he is, and his background? Based on past experience, many of these people are indeed  dangerous. So what if he is 83. Was he  pristine pure  in previous years. I don't know and neither do you. Bosnian war criminals took up  quiet lives in the EU, Australia and Canada. To their neighbors they seemed polite and nice enough, but to their former  neighbours, they were brutal murderous thugs. 

Serious criminal offence haha, 

Attack somebody with an axe or a sword, 500 baht and back into society to cause more mayhem.

How can you even talk about the veracity of the law in a junta run banana republic like this

Edited January 4, 2020 by Sticky Wicket

[transam]

Just goes to show where immigration's priorities lay....Sadly...????.....

That reminds me, now where's my box of "tools"....????

[poohy]

40 minutes ago, maxcorrigan said:

59 posts and not a squeak from Mazzon (sp) who usually goes into orgasmic raptures over these beastly and dangerous overstayers!

SsssH!  it's his Dad 

[Just Weird]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

...and he doesn't have the means to buy a ticket back home + 20,000 Baht...

How do you know that?  Maybe he just didn't want to go back there and decided to take his chances without a visa. 

[Just Weird]

59 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Last winter, somewhere in the rural US, a guy was driving past a frozen lake and saw someone fall through the ice, which apparently was melting.  He got out of his car, got into one of the rowboats on the shore and paddled out and saved the guy.  The fuss drew attention, rescue units and the press showed up.  The drowning/freezing kid was saved, and the guy who saved him was the hero.  When all was said and done the hero was arrested for operating a boat in the off season.

How's that?

"How's that?"

My money's on it being total nonsense.

[CharlieH]

Bickering and nonsense posts removed.

[Ventenio]

The typical posts I haven't read can be summarized:

 

1.  Oh, this is not a crime in my book!!  Let him be... (not thinking this would then destroy all credibility in having a passport, visa, proper paperwork, and you might as well allow immigrants to go to any country with zero consequences).

 

2.  Good, breaking the laws deserve punishment.  you do the crime, now you will do the time.  really making all Brits look like criminals, the worst of them all!!!

 

3.  Why not just go arrest the most important criminal, and quit wasting time on an old man.  Like if an old man gets drunk and kills 10 in his car, maybe let him go since a bus driver will kill 30.  ?????

 

 

[tinca tinca]

2 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

The public were urged to keep calling 1178 to help with this initiative.

 

I keep calling this number to report my overstaying neighbor but nobody picks up.

 

   Ditch the snitch! 

 

  

so dont call....let them do their jobs....one might be classed as "working?" !!!!!

[lwn320]

Why is it that, police in Thailand always seem to find the oldest and most vulnerable of expats. I doubt wether they would arrest a strapping 6 foot overstayer or probably when he first overstayed he was a strapping 6 footer and they waited till he was old enough for the police to handle. 

[holy cow cm]

Ah so nice to hear they are showing the love to this hard core 83 year old retired guy. How dare he! If I was him I would be on my way to Cambodia or Vietnam and never look back. 

[Odysseus123]

1 minute ago, lwn320 said:

Why is it that, police in Thailand always seem to find the oldest and most vulnerable of expats. I doubt wether they would arrest a strapping 6 foot overstayer or probably when he first overstayed he was a strapping 6 footer and they waited till he was old enough for the police to handle. 

Well..you obviously haven't come from The Nation's endless reserve of "we hate Farangs" bunch of newbies.True flash in the pans they are.

 

Best of luck with your posting career.

[Scouse123]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

At one time the British Embassies used to pay your fare back home maybe the system got abused and they used to take your passport off you until you had paid them back 

 

I don't know what they did way back when, but for a large number of years now, they have allowed people to linger in IDC for months and months awaiting on friends and relatives to send the cash. They have no time for what they class as ' feckless tourists and miscreants ' and really make a person sweat.

 

Even British prisoners that are repatriated under the transfer prisoner agreement with Thailand cannot get another passport until they have repaid the British Embassy for their airfare home.

 

Most of them travel back on emergency travel documents issued by the Embassy but are ' put on stop ' in applying/ receiving another passport until they have paid up for their return flight from Thailand.

[Jingthing]

I'm sorry he was caught. I seriously doubt he was harmful to anybody. I understand the rule of law thing but there are certain cases where common sense and human compassion should play a role. Who would it have hurt to have let this old man live out his days in Thailand? 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Jingthing

[Just Weird]

40 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

They wouldn't be arrested by the police, which sh1thole do you come from? It's definitely not a western country!! 

They would be assessed in their home and there would be due process.

Not chucked into some disgusting cell and then the even worse inhumane IDC

They sure would be arrested by the Border Agency in my country, maybe the police would be involved also.

 

Where did it state that this chronic overstayer has been "chucked into some disgusting cell and then the even worse inhumane IDC"?

Edited January 4, 2020 by Just Weird

[Scouse123]

19 minutes ago, tinca tinca said:

so dont call....let them do their jobs....one might be classed as "working?" !!!!!

 

Thailand.......about the only place in the world where foreigners themselves, who will drop somebody in it for absolutely no gain whatsoever and somebody who has never wronged them is viewed by the sleazebag who did it, with a matter of pride and satisfaction.

 

What a sad life some people live.

 

 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Scouse123

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

They sure would be arrested by the Border Agency in my country, maybe the police would be involved also.

 

Where did it state that this chronic overstayer has been "chucked into some disgusting cell and then the even worse inhumane IDC"?

If arrested as he was why would you assume he would be able to dodge the usual horror of that situation? 

[cheshiremusicman]

1 hour ago, CharlieH said:

Where's the compassion, putting a guy that age in IDC could be a death sentence.

Ok, we don't know the whole story, but for as long as he has been here he's been no threat to the public, been no bother, stick him on a plane and let him go. Catch n release.

 

Victimless crime that shouldn't be shouted about, they should be embarrassed at their incompetence.

Silly old <deleted> probably bragged about it in a bar/noodleshop a was overheard.

Has anyone stopped to think that the 83 year old man might have been suffering from Alzheimer's for years?

[Sticky Wicket]

5 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

They sure would be arrested by the Border Agency in my country, maybe the police would be involved also.

 

Where did it state that this chronic overstayer has been "chucked into some disgusting cell and then the even worse inhumane IDC"?

If you are talking about the UK then you are wrong.

Overstayers will be visited by immigration and assessed. 

Absolutely definitely not arrested if they are just overstayers. 

The immigration/police will then come back at a later date and give them a court date

You are mixing up overstayers and illegals