EU leaders remind Britain: No membership, no benefits

[TheDark]

15 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Good idea. Hope they realise this will apply to all the scrounging Europeans claiming UK benefits, while hanging around on street corners drinking Tyskie. 

DWP will save a fortune and be able to increase pensions for all those UK citizens who paid in all their working lives.  

Europeans, who used to come to England, were more often than not, in their prime working age. Doing tasks, the English were too fancy to do. 

 

I guess those people, who live on benefits are not so much EU citizens, but from elsewhere. Brexit doesn't affect their status.

 

Furthermore, after Brexit, there is no longer need for France to keep the asylum seekers reaching Britain, unless of course UK pays a good amount for this specific security service. 

 

 

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, TheDark said:

I guess those people, who live on benefits are not so much EU citizens, but from elsewhere.

The EU accounts for 7% of the worlds population, and 50% of the worlds welfare payments.

[TheDark]

15 minutes ago, david555 said:

So you go welcome all those U.K. pensioners from Europe also ?….., what I read before about the WA act that was this the only thing they settled by law already ….by  both sides ,...for both sides citizens , who are  arranging before x date the needed papers .

 

Besides the coming trade talks 

UK pensioners, who live in Spain and other parts of the EU will no longer enjoy the ability to use local healthcare system, if there is no deal about it. 

 

Their options are to get quite expensive private health schemes, or return back to UK to be treated by the NHS. 

 

I wonder how the famous amount of extra 350 million per week for the NHS can cover the forthcoming costs. I hope it can cope as otherwise the pensioners will be <deleted>. 

[david555]

4 minutes ago, TheDark said:

Europeans, who used to come to England, were more often than not, in their prime working age. Doing tasks, the English were too fancy to do. 

 

I guess those people, who live on benefits are not so much EU citizens, but from elsewhere. Brexit doesn't affect their status.

 

Furthermore, after Brexit, there is no longer need for France to keep the asylum seekers reaching Britain, unless of course UK pays a good amount for this specific security service. 

 

 

No , because rejected asylum seekers get an doc. order to leave the country …., now they can hold them against leaving to another member country (legally) , but not to leave to a non member , they may leave  

[TheDark]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The EU accounts for 7% of the worlds population, and 50% of the worlds welfare payments.

Interesting stats, what's your source?

 

Does this mean that EU is almost the only place in the world, where the wellbeing of the whole population is put ahead of few top persons personal gain?

 

If so, that sounds rather good.

[david555]

2 minutes ago, TheDark said:

UK pensioners, who live in Spain and other parts of the EU will no longer enjoy the ability to use local healthcare system, if there is no deal about it. 

 

Their options are to get quite expensive private health schemes, or return back to UK to be treated by the NHS. 

 

I wonder how the famous amount of extra 350 million per week for the NHS can cover the forthcoming costs. I hope it can cope as otherwise the pensioners will be <deleted>. 

about  what I read on newspaper , this would already be included in the WA  which both sides signed an be under international law , providing the individuals from both sides  do the proper paperwork , and so this would be the only thing finally decided . Even when no deal 

[DrTuner]

Goodbye honey and don't let the door hit you on the way out. 

[TheDark]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

about  what I read on newspaper , this would already be included in the WA  which both sides signed an be under international law , providing the individuals from both sides  do the proper paperwork , and so this would be the only thing finally decided . Even when no deal 

I admit, I have not checked this properly. What I understood is that WA covers mostly what happens during the transition period. If there is no-deal brexit after 11 months, all becomes blur. 

 

Also, if there is no-deal, I predict that the sisterly love between both sides, will turn more nasty than we have seen in past decades. "You are not one of us" on both sides, will become more visible and outspoken idea. One more fishing incident, there has already been, can turn bad, unless adults are doing realpolitik.

 

But after couple of years situation will soften again. 

 

 

[david555]

22 minutes ago, TheDark said:

I admit, I have not checked this properly. What I understood is that WA covers mostly what happens during the transition period. If there is no-deal brexit after 11 months, all becomes blur. 

 

Also, if there is no-deal, I predict that the sisterly love between both sides, will turn more nasty than we have seen in past decades. "You are not one of us" on both sides, will become more visible and outspoken idea. One more fishing incident, there has already been, can turn bad, unless adults are doing realpolitik.

 

But after couple of years situation will soften again. 

 

 

No, the WA  was most important for how the leaving would be finalized , the U.K. would liked that the future relations would be included , especially the trade .

Clever enough the E.U. have always insisted this would be a separate part .

 

But for the people on both soils they made already arrangements , on condition they do the proper paperwork , however up to Dec.2020 nothing changes , but after 2020 ,example some can change . Things are arranged now , the medical part would be agreed by U.K. for the pensioners , but after 2020 they can stay where they have already legal residence in E.U. , BUT no freedom to go to another country in E.U  automatically like now, but example with proper requests as …..visa or work permit or whatever is needed . This like it stands now .Those arrangements would count for life on the current status .

 

However refused or illegal immigrants from wherever that is a ?????

 

Monday more clarity as bothe sides go on same timing on each their own country ground ( !?) make clear the negotiation line from each other

her ….. maybe better like in the old days  let them have a duel  ….lol

Edited January 31, 2020 by david555

[3STTW]

It's interesting that this thread has elicited so many of the stale tropes and irrational stereotypes attributed to the 'Brexiteer'. What should be remembered is that Brexit was driven by a mass movement of a largely silent majority; while the BBC and many other media outlets portrayed them as 'swivel-eyed loons', racists and those fawning over memories of a forgotten empire, there was a significant proportion of the UK who did not protest, did not shout outside Parliament but had a vote. And they used it.

 

The reality is that Brexit came to pass because sovereignty, self-determination and a meaningful vote were, to majority of British citizens, rights that should be retained. This was evident in the referendum and was patently reiterated in the recent general election - i.e. the 'peoples' vote' AKA 'the second referendum'.

 

In the face of an onslaught of negativity from Project Fear v1.0 & 2.0, that same silent majority held firm and voted that a period of negative economic pain was a price worth paying for democratic freedom. 

 

The irony is that a bunch of stupid Marxist idiots who governed an essentially Remain party precipitated a landslide that made Brexit utterly inevitable. The Marxists will be glad but the Labour Party now has very little support outside its cohort of shouty Momentum trolls.

 

Brexit is happening because there was a majority who voted for it, that's democracy. 

Edited January 31, 2020 by 3STTW

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, TheDark said:

UK has, until the Big Ben Bongs, time to cancel Brexit unilaterally. After that, Brexit goes forward on it's own weight. 

Why would we cancel it? Best thing to happen to the UK for decades.

 

Big Ben won't bong, an amusing reminder to all Brexiteers of how salty and small minded the Remain civil service is ????.

[Rookiescot]

25 minutes ago, 3STTW said:

It's interesting that this thread has elicited so many of the stale tropes and irrational stereotypes attributed to the 'Brexiteer'. What should be remembered is that Brexit was driven by a mass movement of a largely silent majority; while the BBC and many other media outlets portrayed them as 'swivel-eyed loons', racists and those fawning over memories of a forgotten empire, there was a significant proportion of the UK who did not protest, did not shout outside Parliament but had a vote. And they used it.

 

The reality is that Brexit came to pass because sovereignty, self-determination and a meaningful vote were, to majority of British citizens, rights that should be retained. This was evident in the referendum and was patently reiterated in the recent general election - i.e. the 'peoples' vote' AKA 'the second referendum'.

 

In the face of an onslaught of negativity from Project Fear v1.0 & 2.0, that same silent majority held firm and voted that a period of negative economic pain was a price worth paying for democratic freedom. 

 

The irony is that a bunch of stupid Marxist idiots who governed an essentially Remain party precipitated a landslide that made Brexit utterly inevitable. The Marxists will be glad but the Labour Party now has very little support outside its cohort of shouty Momentum trolls.

 

Brexit is happening because there was a majority who voted for it, that's democracy. 

Well done. You won. Now deliver on all the promises that you guys made to get that win.

See this is where the real work begins. You will no longer be able to blame anyone but yourselves when the realities of what you have won start to emerge.

In 5 years time I suspect many of you are going to be wondering just what the hell you actually did.

[Rookiescot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Why would we cancel it? Best thing to happen to the UK for decades.

 

Big Ben won't bong, an amusing reminder to all Brexiteers of how salty and small minded the Remain civil service is ????.

Ah yes of course. Its the civil service. You could all have put your hands in your pockets to ensure that Big Ben actually rung.

[lemonjelly]

https://twitter.com/independent/status/1134480402561753088?s=21

[TheDark]

12 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Why would we cancel it? Best thing to happen to the UK for decades.

 

Big Ben won't bong, an amusing reminder to all Brexiteers of how salty and small minded the Remain civil service is ????.

I don't know why England would cancel Brexit. It's simply still possible to do so. 

 

I understood that there were less than required 100.000 pounds donated by the exited brexit supporters to make the necessary preparations to make the Big Ben Bong. 

 

I'm sure Small John will make a noise of his own, once the time come.

[3STTW]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Well done. You won. Now deliver on all the promises that you guys made to get that win.

See this is where the real work begins. You will no longer be able to blame anyone but yourselves when the realities of what you have won start to emerge.

In 5 years time I suspect many of you are going to be wondering just what the hell you actually did.

I didn't make any promises and if you believe that those who demanded Brexit subscribed to the political rhetoric during the Brexit campaign, you are misguided. You are right; this is indeed where the work begins and let us see where the EU is in five years time, crippled by its inequitable currency, bogged down in endless bureaucracy and wholesale inertia against economic development. Pitch that against the world's 5th biggest economy able govern its own tax legislation, global trade deals, free-floating currency and arguably the biggest financial powerhouse on the planet. Unencumbered by EU regulation the UK stands to expand its economy in fisheries, pharma, agriculture, technology, energy and countless other dependant industries.

 

Yep, we won. The UK won.

[lemonjelly]

31 minutes ago, 3STTW said:

I didn't make any promises and if you believe that those who demanded Brexit subscribed to the political rhetoric during the Brexit campaign, you are misguided. You are right; this is indeed where the work begins and let us see where the EU is in five years time, crippled by its inequitable currency, bogged down in endless bureaucracy and wholesale inertia against economic development. Pitch that against the world's 5th biggest economy able govern its own tax legislation, global trade deals, free-floating currency and arguably the biggest financial powerhouse on the planet. Unencumbered by EU regulation the UK stands to expand its economy in fisheries, pharma, agriculture, technology, energy and countless other dependant industries.

 

Yep, we won. The UK won.

When it comes to trade deals, the UK is now in a weaker bargaining position than the EU. Small and medium economies need to band together to stand up to the power houses of China, USA, India. That’s why alliances are formed. The British Empire is no more, living in its past glories has no relevance in modern trade deals. The UK is now out of the club, it’s alone, a small island and images of spitfires and Churchill (we fought the Nazis as allies don’t forget that) won’t help now.

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, david555 said:

Oho..., that's not nice Mr president on their celebration Brexit day ….

 

 

Daniel Boffey in Brussels

Fri 31 Jan 2020 05.00 GMT

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/31/trump-will-put-us-interests-first-in-trade-talks-says-kim-darroch-ambassador

 

Trump will insist NHS pays more for drugs in trade deal, says ambassador

Exclusive: President will put US firms first in UK trade talks, says Kim Darroch

 

Donald Trump will put the interests of corporate America first and demand that the NHS pays higher prices for US drugs in a free-trade deal with the UK, the outgoing British ambassador to Washington has told the Guardian.

Kim Darroch, in his first interview since his resignation from his post in July, from where he spearheaded attempts to grow trade with the US, insisted that Trump would reward his backers in drug firms and farming communities by opening up British markets, while questioning where the UK’s gains would be found.

So, the fiercely pro-EU and anti-Trump Kim Darroch speaks about Trump making Brexit difficult? What a surprise... ????

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, TheDark said:

I admit, I have not checked this properly.

No offence, but this seems to be a bit of a theme with you ????

[david555]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

So, the fiercely pro-EU and anti-Trump Kim Darroch speaks about Trump making Brexit difficult? What a surprise... ????

Oh...probably fake news as always...as ambassador he probably understood his usa contacts wrongly ,that must be sure the brexiteers version .....so the real  things would maybe lying just in the middle...??????....time will tell .....

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, TheDark said:

I don't know why England would cancel Brexit. It's simply still possible to do so. 

 

I understood that there were less than required 100.000 pounds donated by the exited brexit supporters to make the necessary preparations to make the Big Ben Bong. 

 

I'm sure Small John will make a noise of his own, once the time come.

Actually the donations reached over £270k, but 'Parliamentary authorities' refused to sanction the plan. The £270k will instead be given to a war veterans charity. 

[CG1 Blue]

14 minutes ago, david555 said:

23 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

So, the fiercely pro-EU and anti-Trump Kim Darroch speaks about Trump making Brexit difficult? What a surprise... ????

Oh...probably fake news as always...as ambassador he probably understood his usa contacts wrongly ,that must be sure the brexiteers version .....so the real  things would maybe lying just in the middle...??????....time will tell .....

Call it fake news, call it what you like.  But Kim Darroch making negative Trump / Brexit comments is about as predictable as night following day. He loathes Trump, and he loathes Brexit! 

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, 3STTW said:

I didn't make any promises and if you believe that those who demanded Brexit subscribed to the political rhetoric during the Brexit campaign, you are misguided. You are right; this is indeed where the work begins and let us see where the EU is in five years time, crippled by its inequitable currency, bogged down in endless bureaucracy and wholesale inertia against economic development. Pitch that against the world's 5th biggest economy able govern its own tax legislation, global trade deals, free-floating currency and arguably the biggest financial powerhouse on the planet. Unencumbered by EU regulation the UK stands to expand its economy in fisheries, pharma, agriculture, technology, energy and countless other dependant industries.

 

Yep, we won. The UK won.

Absolutely deluded.

Yes I believe those who gave out the political rhetoric during the referendum should be held to account over what is actually delivered. Or are you saying it was all lies? Because I can believe that.

The pound has lost value against the Euro since the referendum. But you knew that already.

Soon to be 6th largest. And it depends on how you measure it.

Tax legislation? Ah now we are getting to the crux of the matter. Brexit is and always was about the ability of the rich to evade tax in the face of tightening EU legislation over tax havens.

Free floating currency? The UK never lost that.

Global trade deals from a position of weakness.

The biggest financial powerhouse is already moving assets to Frankfurt, Paris and Dublin. All that remains will be passported at the expense of the fishermen you lauded so much in the referendum.

Eu regulations? You mean EU standards that you are quite happy to see the UK undercut and spiral to the bottom. Along with workers rights.

The UK lost. Rich tax evading fatcats won.

[observer90210]

Like in many things...the UK will will on some sides and loose on the others, on leaving the mafia ridden UE....so no big deal. Bravo however to have clinged on till the end and leave...brave for sure !...now wonder what's gonna happen to the UK$ ?....will investors as usual rush and buy strong, healthy and reliable Swiss Francs (CHF) ?

Edited January 31, 2020 by observer90210

[SheungWan]

Just as no-deal exit Brexit collapsed and a deal was made with the EU, the markets are expecting a trade deal to be made between the UK and the EU by the end of any transitional period whether the end of this year or further on. All the rest is sabre-rattling for the rest of the year, particularly from the no-deal Brexiteers who still fancy the idea of driving off the cliff.

Edited January 31, 2020 by SheungWan

[Forethat]

32 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Just as no-deal exit Brexit collapsed and a deal was made with the EU, the markets are expecting a trade deal to be made between the UK and the EU by the end of any transitional period whether the end of this year or further on. All the rest is sabre-rattling for the rest of the year, particularly from the no-deal Brexiteers who still fancy the idea of driving off the cliff.

Then self-combustion.

And holes in all your socks.

Super gonorrhea outbreaks.

 

Got it.

[baboon]

49 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Just as no-deal exit Brexit collapsed and a deal was made with the EU, the markets are expecting a trade deal to be made between the UK and the EU by the end of any transitional period whether the end of this year or further on. All the rest is sabre-rattling for the rest of the year, particularly from the no-deal Brexiteers who still fancy the idea of driving off the cliff.

I'll have a sportsman's bet with you: Off the Brexit Cliff and into the arms of the lunatic fringe of the Republican Party is what I think the plan is. We'll see...

Edit: At best, a couple of quick back of a napkin arrangements with the EU at the last minute.

Edited January 31, 2020 by baboon

[melvinmelvin]

 

 

[damascase]

One hour from now: BREXIT!

Cartoonist Bas van der Schot’s view in the Dutch ‘De Volkskrant’ 

[Laughing Gravy]

No benefits:

 

Not paying in lots of money to freeloaders.

No ECJ

No Fisheries Policy.

Controlling Immigration.

Being able to trade with anyone we want.

Regain Sovereignty.

Allowed to make own rules.

 

I would rather have no benefits.