Excellent!  now we can get on with other stuff?  Dems had their 17 witnesses whilst denying Trump 1 and now they cry again. Pathetic.  It's over move on to the next Dem conspiracy theory.

55 minutes ago, sirineou said:

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Where's the testimony from the hidden 18th House witness, Michael Atkinson?  Why has Schiff refused to release it?  Why has no one on the left here requested to know what Atkinson's testimony was?  Are you folks really interested in the truth?

Nonsense. <snip>

Care to explain?

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

If Trump “pressured  a foreign government” why did Selensky not make the announcement? 
 

Why did the House not compel the witnesses to testify? 
 

 

 

Zelensky had an interview with CNN scheduled for September 13 in which he planned to announce the BS investigations.  The aid was released on September 11 after news about the phone call was released.  Zelensky then canceled the interview and announcement.   https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-fareed-zakaria-ukraine-aid/index.html

 

32 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Excellent!  now we can get on with other stuff?  Dems had their 17 witnesses whilst denying Trump 1 and now they cry again. Pathetic.  It's over move on to the next Dem conspiracy theory.

Republicans had witnesses

Benjamin Franklin, commenting on the US government, stated it was, ‘A republic, if you can keep it.’  Well obviously you are not able to keep it. The Republic has failed. The grand experiment had failed.

 

Better bone up on your Russian...

1 hour ago, neeray said:

The goal posts have been forever changed.

 

I can only hope that the American voter on mass will speak louder than this spineless, hypocritical bunch of senators come November.

The only goal posts that have been changed were the tactics used by The Democrats to present the impeachment charges to the Senate, but I doubt that is what you are referring to.

As far as no guilt, no convictions that remains the same.

As far as the upcoming elections, the voters will not forget the slime ball tactics of the Democrats, after all that is what got him elected in the first place.

Perhaps  your time would be better spent trying to do something about your own corrupt government, instead of whining about ours, after all we are number one in the world, we are doing fine without the advice of the trailers.

 

A corrupt president that cheat in the election, intimidate, lie and protected by the political system. Putin will be so happy.

 

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Where's the testimony from the hidden 18th House witness, Michael Atkinson?  Why has Schiff refused to release it?  Why has no one on the left here requested to know what Atkinson's testimony was?  Are you folks really interested in the truth?

Are they? A total farce on both sides! Leaders of the free world? NOT MINE!

First off, the U.S. is not a democracy, it is technically a REPUBLIC; look it up. Technically a Republic, in reality, an OLIGARCHY.

 

Second, there was zero 'quid-pro-quo' as transmission proved. and even if it was, there is no statute in the U.S. Constitution that covers the two 'abuses' referenced.

Democrat party= Zionist controlled. and you can take that to  the FED bank, a Rothschild controlled entity since 1913, when president signed over congressional control of America's SOVEREIGN money control to a small group of European bankers.

Read Bill Still document, "the money masters"; get informed.  

 

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

Zelensky had an interview with CNN scheduled for September 13 in which he planned to announce the BS investigations.  The aid was released on September 11 after news about the phone call was released.  Zelensky then canceled the interview and announcement.   https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-fareed-zakaria-ukraine-aid/index.html

 

Dialogue of Lemon and Fareed Zakaria from the video clip:

 

Don Lemon (in his opening monologue):  "The New York Times reporting that Zelensky's staff planned for him to make that announcement (of of an investigation into Trump's political enemies) during a September interview with Fareed Zakaria right here on CNN but those plans were scrapped once the President released the promised aid."

 

Don Lemon (after Fareed Zakaria comes on):  "Can you give us the backstory on this interview?  Did you have any idea that President Zelensky, what he was going to announce when he was going to want to announce?"

 

Fareed Zakaria:  "No, look . . . . "

 

So Fareed Zakaria admits he had no idea of what the talking points of Zelensky planned interview were going to be and yet Lemon assumes that it was an announcement of an investigation and in his monologue claims it as fact.

 

And posters here repeat Lemon's assumption, also as fact.

This vote and this “presidency” will stick to the Republican Party like tar and feathers for decades to come. You should all be ashamed of yourselves!!

2 hours ago, Lungstib said:

The good work of the framers of the US constitution has all been unraveled by the extreme bias and lack of ethics of modern politicians. They will put up with all and anything because 'its my team'. 

Exactly right.

 

None of these <deleted> people think for themselves. Tow the line or be ruined politics. It is disgraceful to even call it "democracy". It is "whatever the ruling elite want, we do". 

Dear Democrat supporters and anti-Trump posters.  Please accept the outcome of the 2020 election, but more importantly, please accept that you are wrong when Trump is re-elected.  Now you may still keep your political bias and hatred for Trump 9and us his supporters), but it is the People who decide the political direction of USA and they will vote in November on exactly that.  The People are always right - whether they vote the way you want or not - the People decide.  For my part I will accept that I was wrong in my opinions that Trump is the greatest POTUS since Reagan, because if Trump is not re-elected then my opinions are not what the People decided and the People are always right - whether you like what they decide or not. Will you all do the same please - accept the will and decision of the People.  Whether you agree that Trump is the greates POTUS since Reagan is not the issue - the issue is whether you agree that Trump is the POTUS as decided by the People. Remember - we all suffered (mainly silently) through the 8 years of Obama - but we accepted the People's decision. 

 

9 minutes ago, joloit said:

This vote and this “presidency” will stick to the Republican Party like tar and feathers for decades to come. You should all be ashamed of yourselves!!

This circus and this "House" will stick to the Dems like a bad nightmare for decades to come. Weaponising impeachment, deluded conspiracy theories plus defending VP's QPQ. Disgusting!!!

13 minutes ago, sucit said:

Exactly right.

 

None of these <deleted> people think for themselves. Tow the line or be ruined politics. It is disgraceful to even call it "democracy". It is "whatever the ruling elite want, we do". 

 

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If you have to ask I have no hope to explain it to you.

You could start by watching the news. And I mean news, not fox fairytales. 

You can’t answer and blame me, hilarious. Maybe you should try reading or listening rather than watching. 
 

By most every measure (except the by the left) the Country is better off now than it was when Trump took office. 
 

 

John Bolton ( That well known liberal lefty)  is in the midst of exposing the Trump crimes that the GOP Senators wish not to hear about.

 

They have made their bed, now they must lie in it.

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

So you think a President pressuring a foreign government to pretend to investigate his opponent as to affect the outcome of our elections is Ok?

I wonder how you will feel if that president was a Democrat and  the victim was a republican?

trump and the republicans are not the real problem in this situation they are taking advantage of a situation. the problem is you guys, you are the enablers . You all should be ashamed of yourselves.  IMO you are all morally bankrupt 

I have no politics in this one way or the other. I have watched as much as an outsider individual can via the net as possible...yep many hours. It seems to me that the Dems should have proved their case, witnesses and all, within the House proceedings, which in the final Q & A session the Dems said that procedural rules were the responsibility of the House and would determine such procedures, for the House, that they considered appropriate. So this admits the Dems to do all the work for the impeachment and finally arriving at a vote in yes/no on impeachment. But it seems to me that they rushed it leaving loop holes which the Reps could take advantage of and, in my view, is what happened. There were many times that the Dems were repeating themselves over and over which is a clear sign that they trying to form their case in the Senate as it went on. Their case should have been complete before taking it to the Senate.

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

I dont understand you.

Most republican senators openly admit they believe he did it. Why don't you and you ask nonsensical questions? 

This is what Lamar Alexander say: " LAMAR ALEXANDER: TRUMP OBVIOUSLY DID IT, SO NO NEED TO HEAR FROM WITNESSES BEFORE WE ACQUIT" 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/lamar-alexander-impeachment-witnesses

There seems to be a lot you don’t understand. 
 

It seems to me that if all the President wanted was an announcement, Selenski would have made an announcement, why wouldn’t he? 

 

 

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

There seems to be a lot you don’t understand. 
 

It seems to me that if all the President wanted was an announcement, Selenski would have made an announcement, why wouldn’t he? 

 

 

Perhaps he has higher moral standards than the impeached POTUS.

Repeating myself from yesterday this is not a trial, it's a completely partisan FARCE.

Being non American if I got my history right the Senate is supposed to be the balance to the congress not the mouthpiece of a president. 

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

I dont understand you.

Most republican senators openly admit they believe he did it. Why don't you and you ask nonsensical questions? 

This is what Lamar Alexander say: " LAMAR ALEXANDER: TRUMP OBVIOUSLY DID IT, SO NO NEED TO HEAR FROM WITNESSES BEFORE WE ACQUIT" 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/lamar-alexander-impeachment-witnesses

Do you not understand that the House had the opportunity to compel all the testimony during the impeachment?

 

It’s not because Trump blocked then from testifying, he can block them from testifying in the Senate as well. 
 

It was all for show.

37 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Dialogue of Lemon and Fareed Zakaria from the video clip:

 

Don Lemon (in his opening monologue):  "The New York Times reporting that Zelensky's staff planned for him to make that announcement (of of an investigation into Trump's political enemies) during a September interview with Fareed Zakaria right here on CNN but those plans were scrapped once the President released the promised aid."

 

Don Lemon (after Fareed Zakaria comes on):  "Can you give us the backstory on this interview?  Did you have any idea that President Zelensky, what he was going to announce when he was going to want to announce?"

 

Fareed Zakaria:  "No, look . . . . "

 

So Fareed Zakaria admits he had no idea of what the talking points of Zelensky planned interview were going to be and yet Lemon assumes that it was an announcement of an investigation and in his monologue claims it as fact.

 

And posters here repeat Lemon's assumption, also as fact.

Zakaria did not know about the planned announcement before Zelinsky canceled his appearance.  So?

 

" Almost all of Zelensky's aides supported the planned announcement on the show, one of the officials who debated the issue told the Times. They agreed that American military aid and diplomatic support during upcoming peace talks were worth the risk of seeming to support Trump in the American political process, the paper reported. "   https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-fareed-zakaria-ukraine-aid/index.html

26 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Dear Democrat supporters and anti-Trump posters.  Please accept the outcome of the 2020 election, but more importantly, please accept that you are wrong when Trump is re-elected.  Now you may still keep your political bias and hatred for Trump 9and us his supporters), but it is the People who decide the political direction of USA and they will vote in November on exactly that.  The People are always right - whether they vote the way you want or not - the People decide.  For my part I will accept that I was wrong in my opinions that Trump is the greatest POTUS since Reagan, because if Trump is not re-elected then my opinions are not what the People decided and the People are always right - whether you like what they decide or not. Will you all do the same please - accept the will and decision of the People.  Whether you agree that Trump is the greates POTUS since Reagan is not the issue - the issue is whether you agree that Trump is the POTUS as decided by the People. Remember - we all suffered (mainly silently) through the 8 years of Obama - but we accepted the People's decision. 

 

Let's have Trump make that commitment first.  He was the one who made it clear he would not accept the outcome of the 2016 election if he lost.

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

 

Zelensky had an interview with CNN scheduled for September 13 in which he planned to announce the BS investigations.  The aid was released on September 11 after news about the phone call was released.  Zelensky then canceled the interview and announcement.   https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-fareed-zakaria-ukraine-aid/index.html

 

So CNN was trying to schedule interview (but never did) and they claim they never got the interview because the Times believes he was going to announce the Biden investigation.
 

So why did the House not compel the witnesses to testify during the impeachment? 

 

47 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Dialogue of Lemon and Fareed Zakaria from the video clip:

 

Don Lemon (in his opening monologue):  "The New York Times reporting that Zelensky's staff planned for him to make that announcement (of of an investigation into Trump's political enemies) during a September interview with Fareed Zakaria right here on CNN but those plans were scrapped once the President released the promised aid."

 

Don Lemon (after Fareed Zakaria comes on):  "Can you give us the backstory on this interview?  Did you have any idea that President Zelensky, what he was going to announce when he was going to want to announce?"

 

Fareed Zakaria:  "No, look . . . . "

 

So Fareed Zakaria admits he had no idea of what the talking points of Zelensky planned interview were going to be and yet Lemon assumes that it was an announcement of an investigation and in his monologue claims it as fact.

 

And posters here repeat Lemon's assumption, also as fact.

You really cannot believe anything you hear on CNN.  They are a running joke.

Impeach Trump again. 

1 hour ago, Skallywag said:

Not the job or responsibility of POTUS.

 

Would be the DOJ (Department of Justice) who would investigate Hunter and his dealings with Burisma.  Trump or the GOP senate has never requested this of the DOJ .   

 

And as everyone knows, the transcript of the phone call released last year is "redacted" 

Not the job or responsibility of the Senate to complete the House’s investigation, but that okay yes?

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Republicans had witnesses

Democrats were allowed every witness they wanted, yet the refused to call them. 
 

Now you want to attack the Senate for the same thing.

For those who do not understand the basics of Law and how the Consitution framed Impeachment and the subsequent rules and conventions pout in place - go do some research - try Wikipeadia

 

My quick summary of the current 'arrangements'. The House conducts the investigations. The House views the results of the investigation and votes on yes/no.  If Yes the House sends the case to the Senate.  The Senate conducts a trial based on the case presented by the House. The Senate votes whether guilty or not guilty.  Think of it this way. The Police investigate. The Prosecution conducts the trial based on the Police investigations.

 

Because there are no set rules and regulations about how the House can conduct its investigations, in fact they can set their own rules and regluations, the process followed by the Dems is a complete breakaway from the last impeachment investigation rules and regluations followed (Clinton). 

 

The Police can always continue their investigations after a Trial, but the prosecutor cannot and does not investigate anything while conducting the trial other than what is directly related to the case prepared by the Police.

 

The Dems knbew this and that is why they deliberately controlled/blocked the GOP participation in their investigations. The Dems did not investigate anything about the corruption of Biden et al, becausae they didnt want that in the trial. 

 

By any impartial measure the Dems have conducted a partisan and corrupted investigation - and just like Nancy handing out gold pens, it is all a political farce. They were locked into this from 2016 onwards. They hate Trump because he is tearing apart the Obama disaster and pulling back all their progressive globalist policies and changes - just like he said he would.  He was supposed to have colluded with Russia - but that fake story and the illegal investigations failed - so they had to find another reason to start impeachment - which of course they found with the aid of partisan hacks and disgruntled swapers.