How did shooter get weapons used in deadly Korat shooting?

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How did shooter get weapons used in deadly Korat shooting?

 

Picture: Naeww Na

 

Naew Na publish a picture of the weapons used by Jakrapanth Thomma during the shootings at Terminal 21 at the weekend. 

 

There were two rifles and an M60 and well over 776 rounds of ammunition of several calibers.

 

There was also the "Humvee" style vehicle that he used to drive to the shopping center in downtown Nakhon Ratchasima or Korat on Saturday. 

 

Naew Na mentioned that the soldier - who was shot dead on Sunday morning after killing dozens of innocent people - managed to get the weapons from three separate armories. 

 

The media itemised the procedures that are in place for all soldiers to get weapons saying that all weapons are under 24 security. 

 

Weaponry must be taken out in a soldier's name - it cannot be used on behalf of another person. 

 

The purpose for taking a weapon - be it training or otherwise - must be itemised. 

 

There are bound to be questions as to how even an experienced soldier could arm himself with so much weaponry. 

 

Source: Naew Na

 

 

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[petermik]

Total ineptitude on the Army,s so called security sorry......

[ThreeEyedRaven]

Probably took them while the security guards were sleeping or distracted by LINE messages.

[colinneil]

According to 1 media report, he shot the soldier/s at the armories, before stealing more weapons.

[sammieuk1]

If only there was a general that could explain how security works here and not one still looking at the time????Rip

[Isaanbiker]

I was offered a AK 47 by a very drunk soldier at a waterfall near Khun Han/Sisaket province many moons ago.

 

   The soldier wanted to sell it to me for 9 K. But then his boss destroyed my dream of  a new toy.  

[MikeN]

22 minutes ago, colinneil said:

According to 1 media report, he shot the soldier/s at the armories, before stealing more weapons.

Reading between the lines of the story in the “unquotable paper”, he was able to steal the weapons because they were stored complete, and with ammunition, in an insecure facility.

 As I mentioned in another thread, standard practice during my military career was to store the bolt mechanisms in one strong room, the body of the weapon in another, and ammunition in a completely separate location. All were kept locked and required 2 sets of keys, which were kept in 2 separate safes. So virtually impossible for anybody to gain access to the weapons illegally.

 Obviously the RTA don’t have the same sense of security.

[Assurancetourix]

32 minutes ago, colinneil said:

According to 1 media report, he shot the soldier/s at the armories, before stealing more weapons.

If I understood correctly ; it is a system of another age, dating from the era of cut stone which is still in service in Thailand.
Killing the guy who guards the prison doesn't give the keys to open it.
The time is over when keys were needed to open a secure door;

we still see that in some old movies.

Now to enter a super secure place like a military armory, there are a lot of protocols to follow.
So if this gentleman was able to use himself as in the supermarket it is because there have been a lot of failures in series.
but nothing can surprise me in the land of smirk

[Assurancetourix]

4 minutes ago, MikeN said:

As I mentioned in another thread, standard practice during my military career was to store the bolt mechanisms in one strong room, the body of the weapon in another, and ammunition in a completely separate location.

Long ago, I was part of a shooting club; I owned a French brand 22 LR competition rifle;
I would have liked to buy an Anschutz ( german made ) but it was much more expensive than my MAB (Manufacture d'Armes de Bayonne);
When I moved with it, the breech was never in the same box as the rifle and the ammunition were in a third place.

[Xaos]

Armory 

 

 

 

[Cake Monster]

15 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

Long ago, I was part of a shooting club; I owned a French brand 22 LR competition rifle;
I would have liked to buy an Anschutz ( german made ) but it was much more expensive than my MAB (Manufacture d'Armes de Bayonne);
When I moved with it, the breech was never in the same box as the rifle and the ammunition were in a third place.

Long ago, I, like you was a member of a Shooting Club. And I proudly did own an Anschutz Super Match 54 Competition Rifle.

Also, the same as you, the Action, and the actual Rifle were never carried or stored together, and had seperate security cabinets, as did the Ammunition when kept at my home.

I was also a NSRA Club register Instructor, and I am absolutely astounded that this malicious individual was able to get his hands on all these Guns and Ammunition from an Army Camp Armoury.

Procedures should have been in place that only allows Firearms out of the Armoury for Shooting practice and Manouvers. And then only under the strictest supervision with all Guns Etc and Ammunition accounted for after the Exercise is completed.

The Weapons and Ammunition should then be returned to the Armoury for safe storage / repair.

[canopus1969]

1 hour ago, petermik said:

Total ineptitude on the Army,s so called security sorry......

To be fair it was a holiday weekend

[ben2talk]

49 minutes ago, MikeN said:

Reading between the lines of the story in the “unquotable paper”, he was able to steal the weapons because they were stored complete, and with ammunition, in an insecure facility.

As I mentioned in another thread, standard practice during my military career was to store the bolt mechanisms in one strong room, the body of the weapon in another, and ammunition in a completely separate location. All were kept locked and required 2 sets of keys, which were kept in 2 separate safes. So virtually impossible for anybody to gain access to the weapons illegally.

Obviously the RTA don’t have the same sense of security.

I'd say casual discipline. Western soldiers have such discipline that they will follow orders to the letter - and even the lowliest soldier is prepared to shoot their own if they refuse to comply even if higher up the command structure.

[Assurancetourix]

7 minutes ago, canopus1969 said:

To be fair it was a holiday weekend

And? What excuse?
WE or not WE, security must always be the same: maximum ..
This was absolutely not the case;
Besides it is nowhere in Thailand, the country of very large anything.

And what do you think will happen /
questioning of procedures?
shutdown of the failing hierarchy?

As usual, a wai and everything will be forgiven ..

 

What I see, because I have not spent my life in front of the TV or facebook (which I do not have), is that it will give ideas to the next "sore in his head" who has seen what point it's easy to make a carnage ...

[Peterw42]

I'm not following the purpose of posing the question "How did".

Its been reported he went to the armory, shot the guys guarding the armory, he supposedly had worked at the armory and was familiar with the security, knew where the keys were, the code to the safe etc. At that point, he probably skipped the paperwork and signing etc.

 

Security only works to a point, ie: while the guys providing the security are still alive. 

 

Even security at a bank will fail if its the bank security guy doing the robbery

Edited February 10, 2020 by Peterw42

[KhunBENQ]

13 minutes ago, ben2talk said:

I'd say casual discipline. Western soldiers have such discipline that they will follow orders to the letter - and even the lowliest soldier is prepared to shoot their own if they refuse to comply even if higher up the command structure.

Exactly.

A friend had to do his compulsory service in the east German army.

He told me about night shifts guarding the camp entrance.

He turned away a general who could not identify himself and show authorization.

And he was not disciplined for that.

Now try the story in Thailand.

Edited February 10, 2020 by KhunBENQ

[phutoie2]

He was a Sgt Major so would not have been difficult to get access to weapons and ammunition. A conscript erk would find it difficult I suspect, but not a SNCO. 

 

[Peterw42]

2 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

Exactly.

A friend had to do his compulsory service in the east German army.

He told me about night shifts guarding the camp entrance.

He turned away a general who could not identify himself and show authorization.

And he was not disciplined for that.

Now try the story in Thailand.

That security scenario would fail if the general shot dead the guard, which is what happen at the armory

[KhunBENQ]

3 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

That security scenario would fail if the general shot dead the guard, which is what happen at the armory

As I understood the guards were unsuspecting as he was a known "comrade".

Camaraderie often breaks rules, silences witnesses etc.

[Oziex1]

I'm sure the asking of such embarrassing questions is to be labeled as causing confusion to Thai people of deemed to be troublemakers fake news.

[BRUFC]

59 minutes ago, canopus1969 said:

To be fair it was a holiday weekend

 

47 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

And? What excuse?
WE or not WE, security must always be the same: maximum ..
This was absolutely not the case;
Besides it is nowhere in Thailand, the country of very large anything.

And what do you think will happen /
questioning of procedures?
shutdown of the failing hierarchy?

As usual, a wai and everything will be forgiven ..

 

What I see, because I have not spent my life in front of the TV or facebook (which I do not have), is that it will give ideas to the next "sore in his head" who has seen what point it's easy to make a carnage ...

Relax my friend. You make very valid points but Canopus' comment was just a 'throwaway line', not meant to be taken seriously, IMO.

[Assurancetourix]

14 minutes ago, BRUFC said:

 

Relax my friend. You make very valid points but Canopus' comment was just a 'throwaway line', not meant to be taken seriously, IMO.

You are right ; 

I took his answer at first degree .. not seen a smiley face that could have shown me the humorous side of his answer

By thinking about it, thanks to you, it was indeed the case ..
To be taken in the second degree;
but it is not always easy especially on such a sad subject. 

[exparte]

Some of the Video's that the shooter posted on YouTube prior to this incident shows him using the Sniper Rife and shooting at targets from his car. there where also some video's showing him using the Shotgun. Suspect some these these where his personal weapons. He was a skilled shooter in these videos and a reckless on too as some video's showed him twirling a semi auto "John Wayne" style and shooting at targets. He would have been kicked out of any Gun Range in the USA for doing this.

[exparte]

Access to an Military Armoury in the USA is like going to Fort Knox. My Son is in the USAF Security Forces (Military Police) and constantly complains about the 1.5 hours he has to spend at the Armoury gearing up before his shift; and the 1.5 hours it takes to turn it in at the end of his shift.

[gunderhill]

3 hours ago, petermik said:

Total ineptitude on the Army,s so called security sorry......

The army's  sole job is  not security from outside its from within, to quell the  natives when required, just one big paid up mafia, thugs on demand, and they can't even do  that half  the time.

[BobbyL]

1 hour ago, Oziex1 said:

I'm sure the asking of such embarrassing questions is to be labeled as causing confusion to Thai people of deemed to be troublemakers fake news.

Absolutely. I bet Little P or that army chump won't say anything about this issue to the public. 

[lust]

3 hours ago, MikeN said:

Reading between the lines of the story in the “unquotable paper”, he was able to steal the weapons because they were stored complete, and with ammunition, in an insecure facility.

 As I mentioned in another thread, standard practice during my military career was to store the bolt mechanisms in one strong room, the body of the weapon in another, and ammunition in a completely separate location. All were kept locked and required 2 sets of keys, which were kept in 2 separate safes. So virtually impossible for anybody to gain access to the weapons illegally.

 Obviously the RTA don’t have the same sense of security.

I was an infantry soldier. We signed out our weapons weekly for practice/cleaning. It would have been so easy to load a mag and wipe out a whole platoon of soldiers. We didn’t keep the ammo in the same building as the guns/bolts though. 

[spidermike007]

If you look at the way the army runs the nation, and the astonishing degree of incompetence they are bringing to the table, on a daily basis, one might presume their stunning lack of creativity, discipline, follow through, and law and order, might carry over to daily army life. 

 

Apparently, he was able to penetrate the security of the armory, by simply shooting a guard.

 

I do not believe the reports about three different armories. That sounds like pure deflection. Very little truth ever comes from this administration, so why should we trust their information?

[Redline]

If the timeline is correct, he killed a few when he picked up the hummer, and didn’t get to the mall until nearly 2 hours later.  It seems he should have been stopped on the base where soldiers were killed?  Or at least close.

[Tchooptip]

4 hours ago, MikeN said:

Reading between the lines of the story in the “unquotable paper”, he was able to steal the weapons because they were stored complete, and with ammunition, in an insecure facility.

 As I mentioned in another thread, standard practice during my military career was to store the bolt mechanisms in one strong room, the body of the weapon in another, and ammunition in a completely separate location. All were kept locked and required 2 sets of keys, which were kept in 2 separate safes. So virtually impossible for anybody to gain access to the weapons illegally.

 Obviously the RTA don’t have the same sense of security.

And I guess it is more or less like you exlained in much more than one country!