Anutin hits back at critics on video call

[Assurancetourix]

14 minutes ago, jewell49 said:

 The number of infected patients who were cured, how were they cured as there is no cure? oh their immune system !!! good work Dr. Anutin

Falang no undelstand ....

[Pravda]

8 hours ago, Yinn said:

If you believe Anutin angry and thai people eat elephants. Up to you.

False narrative.

 

I believe Thai kill elephants and Thai hate Thai more than they hate Farang. 

 

Thai just like to kill each-other too much.

 

Probably because they no have freedom to express themselves. 

[mtls2005]

The numbers do seem low given that ~ 2 million people from China arrived ~ Dec 1 - Feb 4; with some ~ 78,000 (early on) from Wuhan (flights departed, they could live elsewhere in China/Hubei).

 

Latest report (17 Feb) says they have 82 "under treatment".

 

I think they'e fudging the numbers, but not to a significant extent (i.e. less than 100 cases, but more than 35). 

 

No clue why it hasn't been a more significant outbreak, but thankful.

 

Was in Singapore 10-17 Feb. The extent to which they make accurate, beliavable information available was a breath of fresh air, as was the PM2.5 figures in the 30's.

 

 

 

 

[Assurancetourix]

3 minutes ago, whaleboneman said:

Pathological liars can appear quite calm and convincing.

 

It's even their job, their reason for living; they were trained for that

( unfortunately  we have the same in our respective countries) 

All from the same mold 

[FarFlungFalang]

4 hours ago, PatOngo said:

When Anutin advocated 6 plants per household he was a hero! Oh how the mighty fall!

If the legislation to grow 1 Rai of cannabis plants passes he may still be seen to be heroic by some!

[TKDfella]

13 hours ago, worgeordie said:

in other words...they don't know Thainess.

regards worgeordie

Yes! The moment I saw that line I thought 'Oh dear, Farang do not understand Thais'. It's an instant excuse and they draw it from their 'holster' faster than 'Billy the Kid'. What Thais don't realise is that it is also an instant insult to the receivers.

[URMySunshine]

20 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

No clue why it hasn't been a more significant outbreak, but thankful.

 

In this stage of a pandemic, which this I fear is likely to become ,then the numbers are always low as they would have been in Wuhan at the start of December. It's the inexorable logic of exponential increase once a seedbed of virus takes hold in a population that starts it's relentless upward curve and grinds medical facilities as they begin to be overwhelmed. It's at that point when a meritocratic , open and honest society pays dividends in terms of public health. 

 

In the UK now they have established 3 quarantine bases around the country and erected separate coronavirus triage point at every hospital and are building resilience networks to try and protect key facilities. And this because as they say in their words there is a severe and imminent threat. It would be interesting to see what is being done in Thailand. Indeed I may just pop into Pattaya City Hospital today to see if any such approach is being taken. 

 

Thailand is on their list of countries for concern.

 

If you have returned to the UK from any of these areas in the last 14 days and develop symptoms of cough or fever or shortness of breath, you should immediately:

stay indoors and avoid contact with other people as you would with the flu
call NHS 111 to inform them of your recent travel to the country

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public

 

 

 

[RBOP]

13 hours ago, Yinn said:

He not angry. Only explain. Calm.

I think the headline trick you. Watch the video. So calm. 

 

https://www.thebangkokinsight.com/293845/

Does anyone have a link to the whole video conference?

[mtls2005]

19 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

If the legislation to grow 1 Rai of cannabis plants passes he may still be seen to be heroic by some!

One Rai is for HEMP (THC less than 0.3%). Still a long, long, long way to go on this one. The cabinet has agreed in principle, but no bill has been drafted or read. The Office of the Narcotics Control Board (ONCB) says that hemp plants are still illegal, meaning they cannot be grown or possessed. Hemp remains a Class 5 narcotic.

 

(Growing hemp is legal in ~ 16 districts, primarily in the north for stateless tribes.  https://www.nationthailand.com/national/30333877 )

 

Not sure if all these health crises (water, air, COVID, shootings, road deaths) will help or hinder the 6-plant Cannabis "experiment"?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tandor]

14 hours ago, BobbyL said:

Quite enjoy watching this chump becoming more and more agitated. 

..meltdown coming!

[smedly]

7 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

You seem to put a great deal of faith in your government. That's your personal choice. Here is what I know: People die and the issue is one of how  the illness is recorded/registered. If a person with a pre-existing condition such as kidney disease dies while infected with an indeterminate respiratory illness, the cause of death will be attributed to the kidney disease. Thailand has a vested interest in under reporting or keeping numbers minimal: It needs to protect its tourism revenue. The generals are gambling with the lives of millions.

IMHO, Thailand has intentionally not pursued diagnosis  as a means to avoid reporting the extent of the  epidemic in the country. This is what other health specialists are saying too.

 

Thailand is not alone in this. China has done similar. Canada was misrepresenting the illness too, making the false claim that there was no evidence of human to human transmission. then when the facts were irrefutable, they changed to no evidence of human to human  transmission in the country and then they dropped the claim altogether.  Other countries  are trying to keep the extent of the pandemic contained because they just could not cope otherwise.   

 

Your chart above means nothing. It is someone's creation to reassure the public. No country can really respond to a serious pandemic until there is a vaccine or an effective treatment. It is laughable that countries like the UK and Canada have such a high grade, because we all know that there are  shortages of staff and beds. People are sent home from  their ERs misdiagnosed who then die of  obvious ailments such as cancer or meningitis etc.  the USA fails when it comes to rural   health care for the simple reason that small town USA like small town Australia, Canada, and Thailand  fail: There are not enough health professionals or state of the art hopsitals in those regions.

Thailand's grade is just as much as a joke because it has a minimal capability to manage a respiratory infectious disease. It's hospitals are ward based, not  individual room structured. This is why infections such as c.difficile and gastro kill so many in the Thai hospital system.  

 

 

 

yes, I believe that the pandemic is intentionally under reported. You can't report  what is not diagnosed. Chest xrays and temperature scans are not enough. There are regions of Thailand that had significant Chinese visitor traffic and it is impossible that hundreds if not thousands of infected Chinese out of the millions who had entered thailand, did not infect people. If we look at the small number of Europeans who were infected because of their attendance at a  conference or  having stayed in a risk zone,  and if we look at the number of cases in Japan we can see the pattern. Thailand does not have special magic that will protect it while other countries with fewer interactions were infected.

 

The truth will come out eventually. china has gone into lockdown with  brutal quarantines. It is not pleasant and  horrible, but it is working to buy the world some time. Thailand on the other hand effected no control measures and has done next to nothing  in respect to surveillance except to  blame farangs for not wearing cheap ineffective  cotton  masks.

There will be a day of reckoning and the generals cannot hush this  up forever.

 

My respect for you has grown exponentially just from your posts on this thread 

[inThailand]

The hub of lying? I believe them.

[tandor]

25 minutes ago, whaleboneman said:

Pathological liars can appear quite calm and convincing.

...for sure, that's a necessary part of their character.

[rwill]

Those health officials better not come to Thailand for risk of being arrested for spreading 'fake' news.

[atyclb]

14 hours ago, YetAnother said:

another example of the main infection in thailand, the wrong people, unmerited, in the wrong jobs, this 'minister of health' doesn't even have a health background; bet he still cashes his bloated salary checks while publicly showing his foolishness

 

interesting.  any links to his bio ??  wonder what his background is

[URMySunshine]

6 minutes ago, smedly said:

My respect for you has grown exponentially just from your posts on this thread 

Heartily seconded. 

[smedly]

49 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

You're obviously not a big fan of "Yes Minister" of "Yes Prime minister".Anutin doesn't bother to hide the fact that he is racist and xenophobic,that doesn't mean the UK Health Minister is not racist or xenophobic he may just choose to hide the fact.I'm sure Anutin has similarly qualified staff advising him as you suggest the UK health minister does.We all lie. 

you are now quoting sitcoms from the 80's to get your point across 

 

are you for real dude - this is an adult for um for adults 

[URMySunshine]

3 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

interesting.  any links to his bio ??  wonder what his background is

Anutin is under the patronage of Prayuth/Prawit that is basically all you need to know. 

[brian2f2f]

13 hours ago, worgeordie said:

in other words...they don't know Thainess.

regards worgeordie

Trying to understand thainess is like trying to beat a stupid person in a stupid contest its gona beat you with ease. Just give up trying. Hence why they they dont understand as they know its impossible to do so. 

[inThailand]

Did they buy the temperature testers from the same company that provided the cctv and drug sniffing devices? Then all is good.

[mtls2005]

11 hours ago, Yinn said:

 

Yes, Anutin NOT fly off the handle.

if you say he did, is a false narrative.

 

Watch the link I give, very calm. 

 

You often slip out of character when using perfect English, along with arcane slang (fly off the handle) and fairly complex terms (false narrative), all while wrapping it up in faux Thinglish. Very curious. In the past these sorts of "characters" have not fared well on TV; you're not the first.

 

My concern is not necessarily for Anutin's behavior/character, it is for his ability to lead a Ministry effectively during multiple crises, while possessing ZERO experience/education in Public Health.

 

 

[URMySunshine]

1 minute ago, inThailand said:

Did they buy the temperature testers from the same company that provided the cctv and drug sniffing devices? Then all is good.

They have air purifiers on buses now. 

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/transpo/2020/02/18/bangkok-buses-to-install-rooftop-air-purifiers-despite-pseudoscience-claims/

[mtls2005]

8 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

interesting.  any links to his bio ??  wonder what his background is

Construction.

 

 

[mickey rat]

11 hours ago, tlandtday said:

Sounds similar to the pollution problem in Pattaya when the govt simply stopped reporting.  No hab report.  No hab problem.

Same as the rest of Thailand! Woke up to 170 AQI in Hua Hin this morning! ???? Thailand has gone to hell in a basket! 

[CraigInBangkok]

5 hours ago, PatOngo said:

When Anutin advocated 6 plants per household he was a hero! Oh how the mighty fall!

Give the man a chance its not March yet.????

 

I don't know whats going, just like the rest of you on TVF but I do think if it was out of control it would be all over social media.

[smedly]

32 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

The numbers do seem low given that ~ 2 million people from China arrived ~ Dec 1 - Feb 4; with some ~ 78,000 (early on) from Wuhan (flights departed, they could live elsewhere in China/Hubei).

 

Latest report (17 Feb) says they have 82 "under treatment".

 

I think they'e fudging the numbers, but not to a significant extent (i.e. less than 100 cases, but more than 35). 

 

No clue why it hasn't been a more significant outbreak, but thankful.

 

Was in Singapore 10-17 Feb. The extent to which they make accurate, beliavable information available was a breath of fresh air, as was the PM2.5 figures in the 30's.

 

 

 

 

some 600 were under investigation (what than means is unclear) 10 days ago

 

So, who is now under investigation ? - I think they have given up on that one.

 

What is likely happening is  -

 

Anyone reporting to doctor/hospital with symptoms are told to go home and isolate, those numbers are "in the wind"  for now

 

Is anyone telling lies - well strictly speaking no - because the wrong questions are being asked 

[hotchilli]

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

“People who said such things don’t live in Thailand and they don’t know how we work,” he said,

And those who do live in Thailand know exactly how the government works !

[metisdead]

A post using a trolling video as a reply to another member has been removed. 

[FarFlungFalang]

11 minutes ago, smedly said:

you are now quoting sitcoms from the 80's to get your point across 

 

are you for real dude - this is an adult for um for adults 

Me for real?I'm insulted that you even suggest such a thing,of course I'm not for real any adult on an adult forum would have picked that up.What makes you think this is an adult forum?By the way the shows I quoted are called political satire not sitcoms which any adult would know.

[BestB]

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

 

“People who said such things don’t live in Thailand and they don’t know how we work,”

Yet another reason why he should be removed from his post.

 

One with half a brain, would point out how well structured Thai medical system is and what measures were put in place instead of yet again going on a racist rant how foreigners know nothing.

 

What he failed to understand is that this time he managed to do it on international  television, really giving thailand a bad name .