Russia is trying to help Trump win in 2020, lawmakers warned

[blazes]

On 2/20/2020 at 6:21 PM, simple1 said:

All US intelligence agencies have identified Russian government (not private individuals) use of misinformation / influencing efforts via mainstream social media platforms in an endeavour to support trump. trump is of course in the process of removing government officials who have called out this matter, even going as far as circumventing Congress and putting 'Yes men' in place with zero intelligence experience. Yet you & others still support this appalling individual. 

 

Very simple, if I may say so......or at least "simplistic"

[metisdead]

Some troll posts have been removed. 

 

An off topic post with a link to an article which is off topic to this topic has been removed.

[simple1]

5 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

Very simple, if I may say so......or at least "simplistic"

Please explain

[WalkingOrders]

28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So now you’ve gone full tin foil hat.

How many times in your life have you seen an entire cadre of former intel heads all employed by CNN and MSNBC? I always wondered how totalitarians come to control their sheep. Now I know. God help us when they finally get the statistically undefeatable super majority they crave. 

[sniggie]

On 2/21/2020 at 6:33 AM, Just1Voice said:

while Trump is cramming stadiums full.

Not the first guy with a strange haircut to do that. 

[Chomper Higgot]

So Trump’s apologists are down to asserting some liberal media conspiracy and/or some Intelligence Service conspiracy.

 

 

[Sujo]

12 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

How many times in your life have you seen an entire cadre of former intel heads all employed by CNN and MSNBC? I always wondered how totalitarians come to control their sheep. Now I know. God help us when they finally get the statistically undefeatable super majority they crave. 

How many times have you heard of intel giving a briefing and the president angry they did it.

 

He just doesnt want to know. Thay is extremely dangerous.

[metisdead]

A TDS troll post has been reported and removed. 

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So Trump’s apologists are down to asserting some liberal media conspiracy and/or some Intelligence Service conspiracy.

 

 

Yes. First it didnt happen. Then it happened but no big deal. Then russia is helping bernie. Now all intelligence agencies are conspiring

 

With that sort of thinking im glad they vote for trump.

[amexpat]

2 hours ago, looking on the bright side said:

he hasn't committed any crime, otherwise he wouldn't have been in the W.H. office.

WOW!

[Misty]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Russia efforts to help Trump win re-election are not in conflict with promoting Sanders. In fact, if you wanted to help Trump, probably one of the best ways is to help Sanders win the Democratic nomination. Because for whatever merits Sanders may have, he's simply not going to be a presidential choice for the majority of Americans.  Sanders is nominated. Trump's re-elected. Russia job for Trump done!

 

Agreed - it's really hard to see how Sanders can win over swing states.  Friends and relatives in the two I'm from (who may have voted Obama and then Trump) say they'd never vote for Sanders.  They may just stay home.

 

Editing to add:  whatever opposition research there is on Sanders hasn't been released yet, although the Kremlin has certainly already seen it.

[candide]

8 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Yes. First it didnt happen. Then it happened but no big deal. Then russia is helping bernie. Now all intelligence agencies are conspiring

 

With that sort of thinking im glad they vote for trump.

Exactly, the conspiracy theory is the last resort argument after all others have failed. ????

[muzley]

21 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Yes. First it didnt happen. Then it happened but no big deal. Then russia is helping bernie. Now all intelligence agencies are conspiring

 

With that sort of thinking im glad they vote for trump.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/21/politics/bernie-sanders-russia-election-interference/index.html

 

Wow!! Bernie is really a Russian assett!!!!! I would really love to see those talking heads on CNN, MSNBC etc explain this away!! LOL!!

Edited February 22, 2020 by muzley

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, looking on the bright side said:

Here it is again, the stupid story ''Russia did it''. 

I am not an American, nor am I taking sides. Just reading the news from all sides. I have understood that American people voted for Trump because they want a change. The smug  Amer. elite  ridicule the good, hardworking Amer. people who  are Trump voters .

When it comes to  a certain foreign interference ,undoubtedly it was the Steele dossier, an anti-Trump collection of fake information which was based on rumours, gossip and lies .  Steele is British  I think. And that 'incriminating' dossier, which is rubbish , was ordered by some Fuse group ( the name is something like that) , financed by the Clintons. The fake dossier was a base for Mueller to start an investigation against Trump. We know the result.

Whether you like Trump or not, take an objective and unbiased view of the situation: he hasn't committed any crime, otherwise he wouldn't have been in the W.H. office. He is even more popular now,he really gives a better impression than any Dem. candidate.

I do enjoy reading all about what is going on now in the US, it is better than  'House of cards' (netflix famous series )

Someone with only 44 posts jumps in with a bunch of GOP talking points in defense of Russia, but explains she "isn't taking sides".  Yeah, right.

[WalkingOrders]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So Trump’s apologists are down to asserting some liberal media conspiracy and/or some Intelligence Service conspiracy.

 

 

Yeah Lets see 17 cases of FISA abuse, 2 failed attempts to impeach the potus. The top two heads of the FBI documented liars. It aint over, Durham is investigating exactly that, meanwhile they all take jobs at CNN, CNBC.....and you think you need a tinfoil hat to see it?

[candide]

9 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Yeah Lets see 17 cases of FISA abuse, 2 failed attempts to impeach the potus. The top two heads of the FBI documented liars. It aint over, Durham is investigating exactly that, meanwhile they all take jobs at CNN, CNBC.....and you think you need a tinfoil hat to see it?

How many UFOs? ????

[JHolmesJr]

Make up your minds are they helping Trump or a communist who's closer to

their thinking?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html

 

 

[WalkingOrders]

44 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Yes. First it didnt happen. Then it happened but no big deal. Then russia is helping bernie. Now all intelligence agencies are conspiring

 

With that sort of thinking im glad they vote for trump.

Let me help, elites representing a worldview best explained by Clinton, Bush II , Obama, once called the two headed coin, is attempting to ensure no outsiders to this consensus gain control of power in the USA, while they oppose Trump, they likewise oppose Bernie. Which is not to say that Trump or Sanders are aligned, except in opposition to this consensus. Think; Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, Hillary Clinton, Obama...they all talk different but put forward the same <deleted> in a different envelope. 

 

Some people don't realize that anyone who opposes the consensus must be opposed. Msnbc, Cnn, etc are their mouthpieces. FOX had lost its neo-conservative center during later Obama years, but now they got Paul Ryan on the board and now they are re-shaping themselves again to Neocon central again.

 

People here look at policy outcomes sometimes but dont follow the whole story. People accuse Trump as big bully strongman. So strong, right. But fighting the battle of his life against a bureaucracy that rose to claim their power and have been trying to remove him.

 

Assisted by the professors out there who constantly post MSNBC links that quote absolute nobodies reporting from spoonfed anon intel sources. They are on the payroll. This is a first for me.

 

Yeah, a conspiracy, but not a theory.

Edited February 22, 2020 by WalkingOrders
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[WalkingOrders]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

How many UFOs? ????

None, any other attempts to crack jokes about what you can't refute?

[WalkingOrders]

51 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So Trump’s apologists are down to asserting some liberal media conspiracy and/or some Intelligence Service conspiracy.

 

 

Are you attempting to refute an argument  make a point, or just inject typical sarcasm?  My points have been made with clarity. The intel apparatus, the power, the consensus, represented by 20 years of imbedded thought process opposes Trump, AND Sanders. Go ahead shout hoorah for Bloomberg! Better yet, shout yay for Bernie and the DNC trying to destroy him!

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

None, any other attempts to crack jokes about what you can't refute?

Well those that dont support trump state facts. Those that support trump talk about anything but the subject and like conspiracies.

 

It does make people laugh at the gymnastics.

[WalkingOrders]

58 minutes ago, sniggie said:

Not the first guy with a strange haircut to do that. 

Not many such rockstars are politicians though, and certainly not campaigning for the office of President. A funny joke though. The democrat party is done.

[WalkingOrders]

58 minutes ago, Sujo said:

How many times have you heard of intel giving a briefing and the president angry they did it.

 

He just doesnt want to know. Thay is extremely dangerous.

Funny, they didn't give him a briefing last time isn't it?

[WalkingOrders]

51 minutes ago, amexpat said:

WOW!

If you know of the crime pass it to Adam Schiff, he hasn't been able to find one, despite many geniuses claiming there is one.

[Redline]

On 2/21/2020 at 6:24 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

Well it looks to me like the Democrats know full well who will win in November. As I said since 2016, it is time to stop the crushing negativity and run on some positive messages of how they can change Americans lives for the better. But no, the negativity deepened constantly up until their humiliation at the senate with the botched overthrow of Trump. So now they are in a real pickle. This is as good an excuse for losing as any I suppose. Just a bit boring listening to Russia, Russia, Russia for another 4 years.

So block the truth-the death of America.  I don’t think everyone is convinced Trump will win.  He is a complete loser conspiracy theorist anyway-if you believe him, I suppose you believe all the communists and authoritarians-a pathetic weak minded child

Edited February 22, 2020 by Redline

[WalkingOrders]

35 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Someone with only 44 posts jumps in with a bunch of GOP talking points in defense of Russia, but explains she "isn't taking sides".  Yeah, right.

The poster made an eloquent assessment of observations. Not talking points at all, just a point of view.

[harriott456]

On 2/21/2020 at 9:25 AM, ThreeEyedRaven said:

Well I will take a crack at that one. Lets start with Trump being hardest on them. Bit difficult for anyone else to do it as he is running the show and I recall he was loathe to place the sanctions, but wasn't given much option in it. Secondly, why would they want Trump in again? It seems blatantly obvious to those who aren't blind. It is way way better for Russia to have an irrational and egotistical fool at the helm of the worlds supposed greatest power than someone who can act logically and in the genuine interests of the country. I think that answers your question. You might have trouble understanding it, but the Russians don't!

No, i'd say that is not a credible answer at all.

[WalkingOrders]

9 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Well those that dont support trump state facts. Those that support trump talk about anything but the subject and like conspiracies.

 

It does make people laugh at the gymnastics.

Your observation is false and better applies to a side that doesn't really know what or who they are for, what policies they advocate, do you support the DNC sabotaging Sanders? Do you support Socialist Bernie? Do you support Bloomberg? No apparent policy positions at all but buying his way to debate platform? 

[Redline]

23 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Let me help, elites representing a worldview best explained by Clinton, Bush II , Obama, once called the two headed coin, is attempting to ensure no outsiders to this consensus gain control of power in the USA, while they oppose Trump, they likewise oppose Bernie. Which is not to say that Trump or Sanders are aligned, except in opposition to this consensus. Think; Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, Hillary Clinton, Obama...they all talk different but put forward the same <deleted> in a different envelope. 

 

Some people don't realize that anyone who opposes the consensus must be opposed. Msnbc, Cnn, etc are their mouthpieces. FOX had lost its neo-conservative center during later Obama years, but now they got Paul Ryan on the board and now they are re-shaping themselves again to Neocon central again.

 

People here look at policy outcomes sometimes but dont follow the whole story. People accuse Trump as big bully strongman. So strong, right. But fighting the battle of his life against a bureaucracy that rose to claim their power and have been trying to remove him.

 

Assisted by the professors out there who constantly post MSNBC links that quote absolute nobodies reporting from spoonfed anon intel sources. They are on the payroll. This is a first for me.

 

Yeah, a conspiracy, but not a theory.

???????????? you got the story down congratulations!  Are you looking for an ambassadorship?

[candide]

21 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

None, any other attempts to crack jokes about what you can't refute?

My neighbours are conspiring against me. Can you refute it?