Can Sanders beat Trump? A growing number of Democratic voters say yes

[sirineou]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

More Americans are afraid of commies than are afraid of idiots. 

 

Also what 45 is is already well baked in. 

 

Also 45 is one of the most skilled propagandists in world history. 

the Socialist label to Sanders is just as baked in.   

[earlinclaifornia]

13 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

He was pro Sandinista, Chavista, Fidelista? And he is obviously anti-Capitalista... must I go on?

Yes you MUST go on I need to hear your reasoning Is this too hard to answer other than mentioning some people he sees some  agreement with 

[WalkingOrders]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

More Americans are afraid of commies than are afraid of idiots. 

 

Also what 45 is is already well baked in. 

 

Also 45 is one of the most skilled propagandists in world history. 

We are afraid of Communists, and we find that all communist sympathizers are idiots.

 

The Democrat party is in process of putting a Marxist Trotskyite on the top of their ticket. The Democrat convention is likely to be a laugh riot inside, and a real riot outside.

 

Donald J Trump has fought back against a mob posing as political party, and beat them down every step of the way. And someone earlier said apathetic people vote because of their 401k. That's not apathy, that is called a vote cast in confidence!

 

Time to put an end to this bunch. Let them resurface with a new name, but Democrats is a name disgraced forever. 

 

Approximately, 6 months until John Durham shows up to shower the Democrats with love.

 

 

 

[earlinclaifornia]

10 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

Very good question. I, too, would love to see Sanders get in (or Warren; I’d be happy with either), but the Democrats have been calling Trump an idiot for three years and his base remains firm at 35-40 percent, and his support has even gone up since the impeachment. Plus, there are cynics who vote exclusively on what their 401Ks are doing, and those have done well. Plus, there are all the reasons Jingthing mentioned above that favor an incumbent and especially this incumbent. Republicans seem to paint “dirtier” than Democrats do.

 

Other Sanders supporters who are friends of mine say it’s all about getting the vote out, especially young voters, who are often apathetic during elections. Plus, an article I recently read somewhere pointed out the numbers of African Americans in crucial urban areas like Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia, Miami, and even Atlanta and Charlotte, who simply didn’t vote last time (was it Hillary?), who could also turn those states around if they voted this time. Sanders even talks about Texas, and why not? I recently spent some time in Texas, and it’s an interesting place. If he can spend more effort generating broader enthusiasm and less time talking about Trump (simply calling Trump an idiot doesn’t work), anything can happen, but it’s risky ...

Stacey Yvonne Abrams can bring out a ton of the VOTE

[WalkingOrders]

4 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Yes you MUST go on I need to hear your reasoning Is this too hard to answer other than mentioning some people he sees some  agreement with 

My reasoning....is found in the word and deed of Comandante Sanders as captured in text and video. Pretend you are one of us so you can begin your refutations. Take a quick walk through the 40 year historical record!

 

If you don't feel like hunting this down, no worries, soon enough it will be in virtually every television commercial supporting Donald J Trump for re-election. To the point that, I bet your question as to how my conclusions are arrived at never rises again.

[WalkingOrders]

15 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Yes you MUST go on I need to hear your reasoning Is this too hard to answer other than mentioning some people he sees some  agreement with 

I did not mention any people. I mentioned movements. Ideologies!

[WalkingOrders]

8 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Well put... It's totally stupid on the part of the American public at large.

 

But it's probably indeed the truth, and especially when it comes to the presidential race.

 

 

We are afraid of a Communist Idiot becoming President of the United States.

[earlinclaifornia]

Those undecideds and Independents like my self when in that voting booth will think "drain the swamp" or "Healthcare for all"

[scorecard]

18 hours ago, riclag said:

Perhaps, its because government and powerful leaders of the party are controlling things with the emphasis on radical leaders in power and democratic process  interpretation

 

"Democratic socialism, a growing U.S. political movement in recent years, lands somewhere in between social democracy and communism. Like communists, democratic socialists believe workers should control the bulk of the means of production, and not be subjected to the will of the free market and the capitalist classes. But they believe their vision of socialism must be achieved through democratic processes, rather than revolution. 

https://www.history.com/news/socialism-communism-differences

 

 And perhaps it's simply because the pressure from insurance companies to not change the current scenario is incredible strong.

 

 

 

 

[lannarebirth]

28 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Stacey Yvonne Abrams can bring out a ton of the VOTE

I think the bloom may be off that rose.  Money, while being highly effective if deployed in sufficient quantities, taints everything.

 

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a30981335/stacey-abrams-is-wrong-to-compare-bloombergs-dollar350-million-spending-spree-to-campaigning-with-a-dog/

[DeaconJohn]

The last time a socialist was elected president it resulted in an unnecessary war followed by the whole of Eastern Europe being swallowed up by the Soviet Union.

Communism is always with us in one form or another.  The latest iteration is this old Marxist knucklehead who never outgrew his boyhood in Brooklyn.

It looks like history repeating itself as farce.

 

[lannarebirth]

22 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

We are afraid of a Communist Idiot becoming President of the United States.

A communist would have absolutely no power as POTUS. Where would he find consensus to achieve communisty goals? Congress? The Supreme Court? The military? Nowhere, that's where. You should try to come up with a lighter shade of red herring.

[WalkingOrders]

10 hours ago, genericptr said:

If Bernie had a plan to claw back corporate subsidies then I would support that. If that was his platform to FIRST get back taxes revenue from other areas and then spend it on health care that would be interesting but that's not what's going to happen.

Clawing back all corporate subsidy will soon become a necessary part of American policy for either party in power. Lowering taxes may work to stimulate, but Gov expenditures must be cut, as debt is unsustainable in the longterm.

 

Immigration needs to be fixed now! Fenced border, and a chip/barcode photo social security card to prevent illegals working, which is a net drain on the treasury.

 

Important also, as LEGAL immigration, may well likewise become quite important in coming decades, but on our terms.

 

The United States defense posture must change, Europe must be left in totality. Let France and Germany decide who leads the EU army to oppose potential Russian aggression. Maritime nations need to rebuild their Navy's to real strength to be able to protect their own trade.

 

China is doing something not seen since the pre world war II era, a global power is rising, a power which has publicly stated it is building an armed forces to have the ability to fight and win conflicts in any global theater. 

 

They have elected a President for life, something which has always gone well in this world. Two full battle groups in the water, a 3rd about to roll out, and 20 on the drawing board. The belt and road initiative gives ability to move forces rapidly. In Southeast Asia Chinese money is eroding Western alliances, and Chinese soft power is growing, as well as Chinese weapon sales.

 

While Obama slept the Chinese built south China sea military bases upon disputed territories leaving the Trump administration with the unsavory, and unlikely method of direct war with China as the only method to dislodge them.

 

China claims the entire south China sea, and seems to eerily be modeling Imperial Japan. Japanese generals have stated they expect China to attack Japanese out lying disputed territories in coming decades, as well as Taiwan.

 

To counter a foe with a global roaming Navy, and deep pockets ( unlike the Soviets who had empty pockets) the United States needs a massive ship building program! Massive!

 

Unfortunately, as you mention the USA has imported a massive 20 million base of illegals who in one generation are changing forever the voting base of the country.

 

A leftist lean, increasing entitlement programs, redux in military spending, and a fracturing national will is what can be expected from this permanent left majority when it takes power.

 

Sanders is but a shadow of the power the left will bring in another 20 years if allowed to continue. Dark times ahead.

 

[WalkingOrders]

17 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

A communist would have absolutely no power as POTUS. Where would he find consensus to achieve communisty goals? Congress? The Supreme Court? The military? Nowhere, that's where. You should try to come up with a lighter shade of red herring.

If the word socialist helps you to feel warm and fuzzy inside when describing "communisty" Sanders go ahead and call him one. Or even call him a Democrat. Just don't expect the same from me.

[WalkingOrders]

46 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Those undecideds and Independents like my self when in that voting booth will think "drain the swamp" or "Healthcare for all"

You are only undecided about which leftist loon you wish to check the box for.

[lannarebirth]

11 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

If the word socialist helps you to feel warm and fuzzy inside when describing "communisty" Sanders go ahead and call him one. Or even call him a Democrat. Just don't expect the same from me.

He's not even a socialist, but I think you know that.

 

[DeaconJohn]

7 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

You are only undecided about which leftist loon you wish to check the box for.

Spot on.

[WalkingOrders]

4 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

He's not even a socialist, but I think you know that.

 

That isn't what he says.

[Eric Loh]

I be damned. Trump a socialist too and he praised communist leaders like Putin, Xi and his bosom buddy Kim. 

https://mises.org/power-market/trumps-road-socialism

[BobBKK]

Many people like Sanders ideas and there is merit in some of them but when the time comes the majority would hesitate, as with Corbyn, and not vote for someone offering free stuff as they, the people, would have to pay. I think Trump would fairly easily defeat Sanders but not so easily boring Joe Biden. Still let's see it's fun anyhow I love watching it unravel.

[WalkingOrders]

They are waiting for China to come to them.

 

 

[mikebike]

2 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

We are afraid of a Communist Idiot becoming President of the United States.

Hahaha... the sky is falling. But seriously, I had no idea that Vermont was the home of so many communist American voters... they just keep on re-electing a damn communist... I've seen the way they make you line-up for the lifts at Smugglers. ????

[Eric Loh]

33 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

All I have to say is the issues are very serious. will you be voting Eric?

I just take pleasure in bursting those hyperbole bubbles regardless of whether I vote or don’t. 

[WalkingOrders]

To review:

 

[WalkingOrders]

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I just take pleasure in bursting those hyperbole bubbles regardless of whether I vote or don’t. 

Yeah, thats what I thought. 

[WalkingOrders]

18 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Hahaha... the sky is falling. But seriously, I had no idea that Vermont was the home of so many communist American voters... they just keep on re-electing a damn communist... I've seen the way they make you line-up for the lifts at Smugglers. ????

Such is your view. Thank you.

[riclag]

14 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

Unfortunately, I think you’re right, the Republicans will have little trouble painting Sanders as a communist, at least sufficiently to turn enough gullible voters against him. But Republican politicking is so deep in the gutter, if for instance Buttigieg somehow ends up as the candidate I’m sure they would find subtle ways of inciting homophobia, for instance via Medal of Freedom winner Rush Limbaugh. The Democrats have had three+ years to prepare for this, and it’s all starting to look like a slow-motion train wreck.

Shoe on the other foot Bernie has tie's to the kremlin! NYT reports the russian's want him, stands to reason !

"But wait. Following closely on this unspecific leak to (where else?) The New York Times, we now hear that Russia wants Mr. Sanders as the next president. Perhaps it’s out of gratitude because he and his wife honeymooned in the Soviet Union. Ah, nostalgia".

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/26/bernie-sanders-russias-ideal-socialist-communist-c/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-honeymoon-russia/

 “The Goal is that by encouraging citizen-to-citizen exchange … we can break down the barriers and stereotypes which exist between the Soviet Union and the United States.”

 

According to snopes it wasn't a honeymoon in a traditional sense! it was establishing a sister city relationship even worse imop!

But the hypocrisy is when the POTUS says we should get along with russia is different, hey comrade

 

Edited February 28, 2020 by riclag

[lannarebirth]

Bernie's not going to get any of his headline policies through in their current form but that's not the reason one would vote or not vote for him. He's the only candidate besides Andrew Yang, who is no longer with us sadly, that has any kind of democracy reform policies. Policies that promote campaign finance reform, attack dark money, encourage rank choice voting, term limits and ending the revolving door between Congress and Special Interests who would lobby Congress. Nothing of any consequence to the electorate, as opposed to the corporations will ever get passed again until democratic reform takes place.

 

His M4A is DOA as healthcare insurers made 1,000% profit gains since the institution of Obamacare. His free college for all will turn into community college and trade schools, which is a better idea anyway. His loan forgiveness will turn into a law getting passed that allows discharge of loans through bankruptcy and sets say, a 10 year limit on loan repayment and then foregiveness of remainder. There will be a 5 year or so runup to a $15 minimim wage and most states will have arrived there already prior to that, simply due to market forces. The federal jobs guarantee goes into the ashbin of history as UBI usurps it in the next 5-10 years. But more than any of that is the democratic reforms platform. Without that, no matter who wins, Democrat or Republican, there will be widespread civil disobedience, even violence in the coming years.

[Rimmer]

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[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, sirineou said:

When trump tries to paint Sanders as a communist, which he is not, What is preventing Sanders from painting trump as an Idiot, which he is?

Or is it that the republicans are the only ones with painting skills? 

They tried all that and more last time- so how did that work out?