U.S. envoy blames China for endangering world with coronavirus

[tonbridgebrit]

On 3/26/2020 at 5:07 PM, URMySunshine said:

If anyone seriously wants war then they are seriously deranged. 

Trouble is, some of the posters on ThaiVisa really are angry with China. They really actually want to to see China pay compensation, and they want the West to boycott Chinese goods.

[metisdead]

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[Snow Leopard]

Well the this current Chinese Virus has yet to kill as many people as the American Virus ( Spanish Flu ). 

[Nyezhov]

1 hour ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Trouble is, some of the posters on ThaiVisa really are angry with China. They really actually want to to see China pay compensation, and they want the West to boycott Chinese goods.

Yep. The world would be better off. If they arent going to play nice, then time for them to leave the sandbox.

 

 China liability would be well established under international law, which they pay no attention to anyway.

[rupert the bear]

china knew of the virus in sept then end of jan knowingly and willingly exported it to the world ,even pressured some countries to keep open borders for tourists ,this was chnese new year,its not unreasonable for effected parties to be angry about this,it wasnt an accident

[simple1]

48 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Yep. The world would be better off. If they arent going to play nice, then time for them to leave the sandbox.

 

 China liability would be well established under international law, which they pay no attention to anyway.

It's not a one way street, US played silly games that prevented a unified G7 communique which only increases international tensions, rather than a preferred approach of deescalating. 

 

In your second paragraph, to which international law are you referring?

[Nyezhov]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

It's not a one way street, US played silly games that prevented a unified G7 communique which only increases international tensions, rather than a preferred approach of deescalating. 

Could you tell me what that means?

 

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

In your second paragraph, to which international law are you referring?

https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/international-law-commission-articles-state-responsibility

 

Take a look at the IHR regulations.

 

But regardless, your first paragraph indicates you arent taking a legal view, but rather parroting the China line. Thats fine. Your position is clear.

 

Sometimes even the stupidest and simplistic slogans are true: China lied, people died. 

 

With that, I await the Sinophiles tu quoque.

[simple1]

10 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Could you tell me what that means?

 

https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/international-law-commission-articles-state-responsibility

 

Take a look at the IHR regulations.

 

But regardless, your first paragraph indicates you arent taking a legal view, but rather parroting the China line. Thats fine. Your position is clear.

 

Sometimes even the stupidest and simplistic slogans are true: China lied, people died. 

 

With that, I await the Sinophiles tu quoque.

Did the US sign up for the International Law you reference. I ask the question as generally the US does not sign up to this type of agreements e.g. ICC. Please stop the hateful personal attacks, totally unnecessary. If you fail to understand, why the US Secretary of State's non compliance with other Western governments wish for a mutually agreed G7 communique,, can't help you. However, as a hint very similar to trump's wasteful dummy spits after other international conferences.

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[Nyezhov]

Just now, simple1 said:

Please stop the hateful personal attacks, totally unnecessary.

Setting forth that you are parroting  the Chinese line is not a "hateful personal attack", although I do take it as a compliment that that anti US anti Trump crowd is using my little literary point.

 

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

f you fail to understand, why the US Secretary of State's non compliance with other Western governments wish for a mutually agreed G7 communique,, can't help you.

I only fail to understand that which is unclear. Want to provide some facts before the conclusion?

 

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

However, as a hint very similar to trump's wasteful dummy spits after other international conferences.

And again, not very clear. What spits?

 

On second thought, never mind. 

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Setting forth that you are parroting  the Chinese line is not a "hateful personal attack", although I do take it as a compliment that that anti US anti Trump crowd is using my little literary point.

I am not 'parroting  the Chinese line' it's my opinion. I repeat, stop the personal attacks, which btw are in breach of forum rules.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

China liability would be well established under international law, which they pay no attention to anyway.

Asserting China[‘s] liability is one thing, proving it and holding China accountable is quite another matter.

 

However, the citizens of democratic nations do at least have the means to hold their elected leaders/governments to account.

 

Pointing fingers at China in a crude attempt to divert attention from domestic leadership failures is only fooling the already fooled.

[mtls2005]

Hard to keep up with the talking points du-jour re: China and Covid-19, but it looks like the bromance is back on, again with Xi?

 

Trump says the US and China are ‘working closely together’ in fight against coronavirus

 

In the call with Trump, Chinese President Xi Jinping said that U.S.-China relations are at a critical juncture, and hoped the U.S. would make substantial action in improving the relationship, according to a Chinese-language state media report translated by CNBC.

“Under the current circumstances, China and the U.S. should unite to fight the epidemic,” the report of Xi’s comments said, noting both countries’ health departments and disease control experts have maintained communication. 

 

“China has been through much & has developed a strong understanding of the Virus,” Trump said on Twitter. “We are working closely together. Much respect!”

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/donald-trump-speaks-to-chinas-xi-jinping-on-coronavirus.html

 

That was yesterday. Today? Who knows?

 

 

[stevenl]

9 hours ago, Kinnock said:

You mean the 1918 flu pandemic that originated in China?

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/

That is one option, and could be the case, but not the source most commonly given. Even your link says so "Humphries concedes that a final answer to the mystery of the Spanish flu's origins is still a ways off.".

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[sanuk711]

All things bright and beautiful,

All creatures great and small,

All things wise and wonderful,

 

the Chinese ate them all......................................

[lannarebirth]

13 minutes ago, sanuk711 said:

All things bright and beautiful,

All creatures great and small,

All things wise and wonderful,

 

the Chinese ate them all......................................

 

Now, I wish I'D thought of that.  Kudos.

[bristolboy]

14 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Yep. The world would be better off. If they arent going to play nice, then time for them to leave the sandbox.

 

 China liability would be well established under international law, which they pay no attention to anyway.

Nor does the USA

U.S. withdraws from international accords, says U.N. world court 'politicized

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-diplomacy-treaty/u-s-withdraws-from-international-accords-says-u-n-world-court-politicized-idUSKCN1MD2CP

[cdnvic]

Trying to be lenient but if the (deleted) personal attacks keep up that will soon end.

[AussieBob18]

Came across this article - very good summary of the reality - China should pay.

 

And if they wont pay - seize all Chinese assets in the country - sell those to make the payment wanted.

There is no Chinese money spent by any Chinese person/company buying assets overseas, that is not approved/directed by the Chinese Govt.

 

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/03/send-xi-the-reparations-bill/

 

Quote:  It isn’t the Chinese people – who have borne the brunt of the coronavirus scourge, contracting and dying from Wuhan virus in by far the greatest numbers – who opened this biomedical Pandora’s box. It was Xi’s authoritarian government, all the way from the local party satraps in Wuhan to the President himself. The regime wasted crucial time when the spread of the virus could have been shut down at source.

 

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[gearbox]

On 3/28/2020 at 3:39 PM, sanuk711 said:

All things bright and beautiful,

All creatures great and small,

All things wise and wonderful,

 

the Chinese ate them all......................................

It's been around like that for centuries....nothing to do with their Communist party. AFAIK in the south they have a saying "We eat everything which has four legs, except the table"

[garzhe]

On 3/26/2020 at 6:07 PM, Yasobill said:

Agree...they’ll be plenty of time to assess culpability for the cause & delay. Now is the time to put 100% of our worldwide effort toward stopping further spread, treatment and a vaccine.

 

Yes But when and where is the next one coming from,  Thailand ?  Wet markets all over Asia including Thailand. Watch this  SCARY ! Undercover at Chatuchak market Bangkok

 

[gearbox]

5 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Came across this article - very good summary of the reality - China should pay.

 

And if they wont pay - seize all Chinese assets in the country - sell those to make the payment wanted.

There is no Chinese money spent by any Chinese person/company buying assets overseas, that is not approved/directed by the Chinese Govt.

 

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/03/send-xi-the-reparations-bill/

 

Quote:  It isn’t the Chinese people – who have borne the brunt of the coronavirus scourge, contracting and dying from Wuhan virus in by far the greatest numbers – who opened this biomedical Pandora’s box. It was Xi’s authoritarian government, all the way from the local party satraps in Wuhan to the President himself. The regime wasted crucial time when the spread of the virus could have been shut down at source.

 

Who writes all this garbage? If you confiscate all Chinese assets, they will confiscate all foreign factories. Nobody wins here.

[AussieBob18]

13 minutes ago, gearbox said:

Who writes all this garbage? If you confiscate all Chinese assets, they will confiscate all foreign factories. Nobody wins here.

Are you serious? There are nil foreign factories in China - they are all owned by China. You cannot buy any property in China as there is no private ownership of land in China. One can only obtain rights to use land.  They are not stupid - we are, to allow them to buy our property - land included.  Get educated about something before you start criticisng what you dont have a clue about.

 

 

[URMySunshine]

7 minutes ago, gearbox said:

That's why nowadays the democracy doesn't work. The morons with no formal or little formal education should be stripped from voting rights. They would vote for anyone who will promise them something for nothing. And they are led to believe if they are going to war they would win it.

 

Not holding high hopes about the world as is now.

 

 

 

 

It's always same same never different. Fly the flag , beat the drum and march to war with economic collapse preceding that. Hopefully wise heads and calm hearts will prevail. 

[Traubert]

On 3/27/2020 at 11:37 AM, Isaan sailor said:

WHO in China’s pocket.

Any questions?

There's little point asking questions of someone who has all the answers he wants.

[Traubert]

On 3/27/2020 at 3:15 PM, Isaan sailor said:

China must have their day of reckoning.  Guilty of crimes (corona virus) against humanity.

That's only one.

 

 

[tonbridgebrit]

5 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Came across this article - very good summary of the reality - China should pay.

 

And if they wont pay - seize all Chinese assets in the country - sell those to make the payment wanted.

There is no Chinese money spent by any Chinese person/company buying assets overseas, that is not approved/directed by the Chinese Govt.

 

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/03/send-xi-the-reparations-bill/

 

 

 

Quote:  Since the coronavirus storm broke in late January, the head of the World Health Organisation, Dr Tedros Adanhom Ghebreyesus of Ethiopia, has been firmly in Xi’s corner. Having been backed by China for his job (and immediately on his election pledging himself to the communists’ ‘One China’ policy, even though his job is supposed to be apolitical) Tedros consistently praises its communist regime’s coronavirus response.

 

I think you should bear in mind that Thailand is fully "in" with China, Thailand is far more aligned with China than it is with the West.

No doubt about it, an economic war between China and the West will mean that Thailand jumps in with China. There's people on ThaiVisa who claim that Thailand is already a satellite state of China, or a vassel state. Or a province of China. And when Thailand does seize all assets (momey in bank accounts, partly owned real estate and all property) owned by those who are citizens of nations backing the USA, well, a lot of foreigners will not be happy.

I've noticed a few absurd comments about how the WHO is working with the Chinese government on the crazy idea of covering up this virus. It's absurd. First of all, people make the accusation that the Chinese government is covering this up, it is telling lies. The WHO have praised China for it's handling of the virus. And so, this means that the China haters are now in the ridiculous position of claiming that the WHO have been bribed by the Chinese government.

Right now, in the USA, Trump is refusing to take strong action by doing a quarantine on New York. Trump is not doing a quarantine because he knows it will destroy any popularity he has in New York. But the quarantine should be done, it will save lives and hold the virus back. If the virus had of started in America, Trump would not have carried out a massive lockdown early on. The virus started in China, Xi Jinping did actually order a massive lockdown. That's why the WHO have praised China for it's efforts to restrict the virus.

[3NUMBAS]

apple will still go on using them for cheap labor and big profits like many other makers of things in the USA

[metisdead]

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[Selatan]

Best explanation so far, from the experts, of course:

 

Coronavirus: pathogen could have been spreading in humans for decades, study says

 

Quote

Researchers from the United States, Britain and Australia looked at piles of data released by scientists around the world for clues about the virus’ evolutionary past, and found it might have made the jump from animal to humans long before the first detection in the central China city of Wuhan.

 

[Selatan]

At least can stop all the bat soup jokes already. The coronavirus found from bats that matches around 96% of SARS-CoV-2 couldn't infect humans.

The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2

This sounds more like the undetected HIV infections for who knows how long before it was first discovered in the US. I wouldn't be surprised that many seasonal flu pneumonia cases in the past may have been wrongly diagnosed but might have instead been caused by this virus instead.