Anybody else don't care about COVID and ignores it?

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, christophe75 said:

I do.

 

But the problem is : we are prisoners of the insane decisions taken by governments (not ony thai).

 

My position is clear : when China slapped Wuhan with a lockdown, january 23, I was scared, because it was unknown.

 

But then, with all the incoming data.... I became a non-believer.

 

This virus is just a big flu.

 

It kills old, sick, weak people. Perhaps a little bit faster than usual... But nothing more.

 

In other word : nothing new under the sun.

 

Yes there are and there always be "strange" cases (put forward by the medias) :

-the 16 years old girl in France

-the sport guy 35 years old with no "prior pathology"

 

etc.

 

Everything is done to scare the flock, the sheeps.

 

Italy is a show case. Right now they have 10 000 deads.

 

My personal "alert" level is 20 000. It's the number of dead Italy had because of the heat wave in august 2003 (same for France).

 

The first victim of this mass hysteria and collective hallucination is : the understanding of scales

 

People take all incoming data without any perspective.

 

"10 000 deads in Italy ! Oh my god ! It's the end ! It's terrible !"

 

They do not know that a total of 647 000 italian died in 2019, and 633 000 in 2018.

 

What would be a real and significant surmortality number compared to an average year ?

 

10 % ?

 

That would be 64 000 more deaths for the whole 2020.

 

We will see at the end of december

 

In Thailand, this exercice becomes even more absurd. I'm not saying that a car accident is the same than the virus. But they do have one thing in common : a corpse is a corpse.

 

And it's impossible to remain calm when on one hand, we have 5 deads because of the virus... and on the other... 25 000 (mostly young) people crashed into pieces every freaking year in road accidents...

 

Again, we are losing common sense and sense of scales.

 

To shutdown the whole country for this ? 69 millions people jailed for 5 deads and a few thousands cases ?

 

It's beyond a joke.

 

It's now a crime.

 

A crime against our intelligence.

 

And a crime against humanity.

You know what else is criminal?

 

It's using double-spaced, one-line paragraphs in a post. That's really criminal.

[steven100]

1 hour ago, glennb6 said:

The closures of so many business irks me even though I have no skin in the game

then try living in India or Malaysia or China or somewhere else .....   

[StreetCowboy]

26 minutes ago, steven100 said:

then try living in India or Malaysia or China or somewhere else .....   

i don't want him coming to live in Malaysia with that attitude.  We (they) are doing well to limit the increase of COVID-19 with the Movement Control Order, and it's better done sooner than later. 

Edited March 28, 2020 by StreetCowboy

[steven100]

3 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

i don't want him coming to live in Malaysia with that attitude.  We (they) are doing well to limit the increase of COVID-19 with the Movement Control Order, and it's better done sooner than later. 

totally agree ...  some people just don't get it  !

[StreetCowboy]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

...

 

To me, Covid-19 is a bit like the 400 kg gorilla in the corner of the room. You know it is there but you hope it will go away soon.

 

Keep happy and well everybody.

I think that there are things that you can do to reduce your risk; some obvious, some that I don't know about...
- Obviously, stay healthy; healthy diet, some exercise, don't get tired or stressed
- social distancing; minimise close contact, avoid breathing other people's air
    Especially stay away from anyone who is coughing, or sneezing, or snivveling, or looking a bit pale and peaky, or just complaining and whinging and being miserable; probably best to stay on the Cycling Forum, or "What Are You Listening To"
- clean hands, and don't touch your face
These are not things you can do 100% to avoid the disease, but hopefully when you get it, you will start with a lower viral load so that it will have less of a head start on your immune system.  After that, it's up God and your immune system.

[tomster]

I ignore the whole crock of <deleted> wherever possible, including the endless Facebook and Twitter shrills saying that we will all die, don't be selfish blah blah blah.

 

Anybody that tells you you are being selfish is an ignorant retard, a waste of oxygen. These imbeciles will always quote Italy as their example, if you try to point out the difference in how they record deaths there or the many other factors surrounding that region of Italy that they keep showing on CNN etc they just lose the plot. Argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience, as the saying goes.

 

And as for people that think they can get it from walking down the street or other such activities, let's not even go there.

 

There is every chance it's been here for just about as long as it's been in China, such was the volume of direct traffic from Wuhan into Thailand before Wuhan shut down that it would be impossible for it not to be in the population here already. Maybe some people have died of viral pneumonia from it, maybe not - if it was a really big issue the hospitals would be full - they are very, very clearly not having a problem with this.

 

One thing is for sure, there are plenty of people coming out now in the countries that were stupid enough to go into hard lockdown asking <deleted> just happened - how the hell do we get out of this mess? We will look back at this last 3 months of madness in ABSOLUTE horror by the end of this year, and for many years to come.

 

Rant over sorry, so yeah, I'm with the OP, I totally ignore it unless forced to do otherwise.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 hours ago, tropo said:

 

 this panic is making people take absurd measures to protect themselves. 

 

The vast majority of the medical/infectious disease expert community would disagree with you.

 

The measures of social distancing and such are aimed at trying to restrain the peak of the disease, flatten the curve, and perhaps that does extend the length of the pandemic some. But it also hopefully avoids a complete collapse and overwhelming of nations' health care systems that would leave both the CV infected and everyone else in deep doo doo.

 

 

 

[lust]

It’s amazing how some dummies have the “it’s just a flu, stop listening to the news”, attitude when doctors and nurses all around the world are freaking out.
 

Absolutely moronic. Where do these people come from? 

[StreetCowboy]

23 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The vast majority of the medical/infectious disease expert community would disagree with you.

 

The measures of social distancing and such are aimed at trying to restrain the peak of the disease, flatten the curve, and perhaps that does extend the length of the pandemic some. But it also hopefully avoids a complete collapse and overwhelming of nations' health care systems that would leave both the CV infected and everyone else in deep doo doo.

 

 

 

My friends who are recovering do not take it lightly; luckily they are young healthy fellows, and fortunate too, in this instance.  Many other people are not.  Don't carry the disease to them

[tomster]

16 minutes ago, lust said:

It’s amazing how some dummies have the “it’s just a flu, stop listening to the news”, attitude when doctors and nurses all around the world are freaking out.
 

Absolutely moronic. Where do these people come from? 

Where are doctors freaking out if they have the right equipment? How many doctors and nurses are "freaking out" in Germany for example? Absolutely none. In the UK where the NHS did not prepare for it and in Italy where the hospitals were already running on fumes, yeah they are freaking out. That does not make the virus more deadly, it just means that people die because mistakes are made in their care.

Thailand is the most prepared country in Asia for an epidemic, it simply would not be Italy mark 2 here.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing/italian-scientists-investigate-possible-earlier-emergence-of-coronavirus-idUSKBN21D2IG

 

https://www.anti-empire.com/italys-lockdown-has-been-a-recipe-for-disaster-has-made-the-crisis-worse/

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think

 

I'll just leave those for a bit of light reading, when you have time.

Edited March 28, 2020 by tomster

[Isaanbiker]

I truly hope that you are not THE ANDY, ANDY ANDY.

 

       If some people jump off a balcony, would you jump, too?

 

     

[tropo]

40 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The vast majority of the medical/infectious disease expert community would disagree with you.

 

The measures of social distancing and such are aimed at trying to restrain the peak of the disease, flatten the curve, and perhaps that does extend the length of the pandemic some. But it also hopefully avoids a complete collapse and overwhelming of nations' health care systems that would leave both the CV infected and everyone else in deep doo doo.

 

I disagree. I don't believe the vast majority of disease experts disagree with me. In fact, I'd say most of them agree. Here's a sample of what the real science reveals....

 

If any of what you read here doesn't make sense, then please advise so I can alter my point of view... 

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/12-experts-question-covid-19-panic

 

Here's a sample:

 

Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

[…]

Could the Covid-19 case fatality rate be that low? No, some say, pointing to the high rate in elderly people. However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes.

[…]

If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average.

– “A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data”, Stat News, 17th March 2020

 

 

Edited March 28, 2020 by tropo

[tomster]

3 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

I truly hope that you are not THE ANDY, ANDY ANDY.

 

       If some people jump off a balcony, would you jump, too?

 

     

Ground floor balcony no problem, my name is Tom.

 

But honestly sir it's not me blindly following the masses - it's you.

Edited March 28, 2020 by tomster

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 minutes ago, tropo said:

https://www.zerohedge.com

 

When I want to go looking for informed and expert information on infectious disease policy, I don't go looking at Zerohedge.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[tomster]

15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

When I want to go looking for informed and expert information on infectious disease policy, I don't go looking at Zerohedge.

 

 

Yeah fair enough, that graph with the death rate on it, I take it all back, I was wrong.

 

 

Edited March 28, 2020 by tomster
Sarcasm

[tomster]

This website for health professionals in Europe to monitor trends in morbidity throughout the EU so they can make sure there is "nothing strange going on" for want of a better term.

 

https://www.euromomo.eu/

 

You would think that since there is killer superbug virus raging in throughout the continent and it's been almost totally locked down destroying millions of peoples lives, there that there might just be some of variance in those graphs.

 

You know, something that said we are in the middle of a massive pandemic type thing.

 

Can't for the life of me why it's not showing any deviation, must be some kind of mistake.

[tropo]

20 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

When I want to go looking for informed and expert information on infectious disease policy, I don't go looking at Zerohedge.

 

Arguing about source and not considering content is very unscientific.

 

Obviously you won't read it as you have your own sources that you depend upon, so here's another excerpt from the article posted above:

 

Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry. He also worked as Associate Dean of the Tel Aviv University Medical School and during the 1980s presented the science-based television show Tatzpit.

What he says:

Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.

[…]

In every country, more people die from regular flu compared with those who die from the coronavirus.

[…]

…there is a very good example that we all forget: the swine flu in 2009. That was a virus that reached the world from Mexico and until today there is no vaccination against it. But what? At that time there was no Facebook or there maybe was but it was still in its infancy. The coronavirus, in contrast, is a virus with public relations.

Whoever thinks that governments end viruses is wrong.

– Interview in Globes, March 22nd 2020

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/12-experts-question-covid-19-panic

 

By all means, come back with another similar reply and I'll add further excerpts for examination, which you are most welcome to do too, and as I suggested, for you to refute. I don't need to be treated like some idiot that believes everything I read. I study science and consider content. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2020 by tropo

[rumak]

6 hours ago, Vigilante said:

I saw the writing on the wall when China closed Wuhan.

I couldn't run back home due to responsibilities here

 

I'm not worrying about the virus per se....I will not go into details as to why.

The secondary effects are my main worry (from the very beginning)

Economic crash, potential food shortages and last but not least, social unrest (incl crime)

The crash is already in motion, the other two no but it's still early days

Take measures to mitigate these effects

The duration of the outbreak will decide how far we will go with the secondary effects

 

Stress?..yes I have

Neurobion (vit B 1-6-12) works wonders for your nervous system

The odd tipple here and there helps too.

A spiritual outlook of life (if you have it)  helps to see the big picture and to become more stoic.

 

Good luck everyone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is that  V    ......   for Vigilante ?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, tropo said:

Arguing about source and not considering content is very unscientific.

 

Obviously you won't read it as you have your own sources that you depend upon, so here's another excerpt from the article posted above:

 

 

 

This is the deniers and ignorers thread... I get that... I just don't happen to buy into that illusion.

 

 

 

Quote

As of Saturday morning, at least 102,636 people across every state, plus Washington, D.C., and three U.S. territories, have tested positive for the virus, according to a New York Times database, and at least 1,646 patients with the virus have died.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

Edited March 28, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[tomster]

Then you should go back to the Sheeple thread, they are probably missing you by now.

[rabang]

8 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Lucky you.  Chiang Mai is in partial lockdown, so almost everything closed.  I hear BKK, KK, and various other cities are the same.

 

Yeah, but it is only partial. When going to the airport I was surprised at how normal things looked like in Bangkok on a midweek evening. Before that I had spent almost a week mostly in isolation. Sure, many businesses are closed and there are much fewer people using public transport but there were still people out and about, quite a lot of traffic, albeit considerably less than normal. Let's imagine there was someone without any knowledge about the situation and that kind of person might have noticed something odd about closed shops and fewer people but maybe thought of it as being related to some extra holiday.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, tomster said:

Then you should go back to the Sheeple thread, they are probably missing you by now.

 

 

 

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Edited March 28, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[tropo]

29 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

When I want to go looking for informed and expert information on infectious disease policy, I don't go looking at Zerohedge.

 

 

 

 

This is amazing. You added statistics which confirms all of what the scientists in my article are saying. Thanks! 

 

FYI two of the experts are German and both have made a video presentation:

 

Here's one:

 

(note: be sure to enable subtitles if or when you watch it)

 

 

 

 

 

[Throatwobbler]

9 hours ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

I'm in big village/small city in North-east Thailand.

 

Changes: about 10% of people are wearing a mask. Tesco checks your temperature. 7/11 employees are wearing masks&gloves. That's it!

 

All shops are open. All business are open. Everything is open. People are going about their normal everyday life. Streets are full. It's only when I check ThaiVisa people are barricading themselves in the houses, raiding food stores and preparing for the end of the world. ????????????

So in other words you are one of the irresponsible who feel that you will be fine but do not care what other people you give it too. You could cause the deaths of some people.

[tomster]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

 

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

So based on 621,626 confirmed cases and 28,658 deaths we get a death rate of 4.6%.

 

You would agree this is about right, maybe a bit out either way but not too far off where the true value would be?

[tropo]

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

This is the deniers and ignorers thread... I get that... I just don't happen to buy into that illusion.

 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

You're rubbishing my sources and you offer the NYTimes source in reply. That's rich!

 

You're not thinking clearly. I am not denying or ignoring anything at all. I just believe that they way it is being presented and handled by most government is wrong. If you did read my source, your eyes would be opened, but I see your sources are very mainstream. Perhaps you'll post a CNN report next.

 

As promised, here's another excerpt:

 

Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University, former Chief Public Health Officer for Manitoba province and Medical Director of the International Centre for Infectious Diseases.

What he says:

I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.

[…]

I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that.

[…]

In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/12-experts-question-covid-19-panic

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chazar]

10 hours ago, pgrahmm said:

Possibly swapping.

stamps?

[tropo]

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

 

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

For updated statistics, here's a better app, and searchable too.

 

https://ncov2019.live/data?fbclid=IwAR3I1npxj7wavdT6EzOEKTg1hC6t5onF3q-tE1GrFjKEalryCEn0OIyB4XQ

[Chazar]

5 minutes ago, tomster said:

So based on 621,626 confirmed cases and 28,658 deaths we get a death rate of 4.6%.

 

You would agree this is about right, maybe a bit out either way but not too far off where the true value would be?

no,  because many  show  none  or  mild symptoms  which  will  bring  down  the death rate

[Chazar]

11 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

You could cause the deaths of some people.

so  do  Thai  drivers  everyday