Governors put on alert for tougher measures to contain Covid-19

[patsfangr]

5 hours ago, Brunolem said:

How does increased testing change the number of deaths?

 

Once again, what matters is not the number of cases, but the lethality.

 

If Thailand has ten or a hundred times more cases than actually counted, all the better, that means that the lethality is far lower...

 

THIS is not rocket science, just simple arithmetics...

You apparently have total confidence in the accuracy of the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19. If those numbers are absolutely correct in terms of the percentage of deaths of infected persons, then you are correct. I do not believe that those numbers are accurate. 

[patsfangr]

4 hours ago, Brunolem said:

It is much easier to manipulate the number of cases than the number of deaths. 

 

Cases are just statistics, but deaths are real people, with real families, some of which at least will talk. 

 

Most of Thailand is like a big village, or rather a network of small villages, where gossip travel at light speed... 

It is CAUSE OF DEATH that can be/is being manipulated. Got it?

[patsfangr]

4 hours ago, Rod the Sod said:

What I meant was that when I ask the nurses and Specialists if they have any in-patients being treated for CV the answer is none.

Considering where we are, could they not have been instructed to give that answer to prevent panic?

[KonaRain]

39 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

I love these "sock it to me harder, boss" posts. May I suggest that instead of bleating fruitlessly on ThaiVisa, you all sign a petition to the Thai government pleading for a 24 hour curfew and Martial law.

 

Oh, and while you're about it, lobby for mandatory vaccination of the entire population when Bill and Melinda deliver the goods.

 

Jeez!

The flu shot is no good, but kids need all da rest.. Covid bad will be here in 14-16 months my opinion after BBC all night..Aloha

[patsfangr]

4 hours ago, Abmong said:

24hr curfew will just cause panic buying and hoarding. Not to mention some people don't have the money to buy 10+ day's worth of food in one go, or the shops shelves will be emptied before they get there... Government should stagger the curfew instead of doing a blanket 24hr one. Divide BKK into 4 zones. each zone gets a 4hr window per day to go shop. That's 16hrs to work with, 8hrs of blanket curfew but each zone will be in effective 20hrs curfew. At least that should reduce crowding in BKK. Over crowding will surely happen if they announce a 24hr curfew as people do the mad rush to stock up for the curfew...

NO curfew should be applied to food shopping. PERIOD! As you said in your opening sentence, it will cause panic buying and hoarding; but it will also cause unnecessary crowding if there are specific "windows" for shopping. Wear masks. Use hand gel. Maintain reasonable social distancing while shopping. But keep the food stores, all of them, open for long hours.  

[hotchilli]

30 minutes ago, patsfangr said:

That's what is done at Makro. Signs are posted on the shelves. Cashiers are aware of the limits, and will not ring up items over the limit. 

I was in my local CJ store which is a mid sized convenience store.
A women was literally clearing the shelves of dry mama packets, the large family packs of around 10 per pack.

She had about 20 packs at the check-out desk, they let her buy them?

4 people like her would have cleared the entire shelf, just ridiculous.

[Abmong]

2 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

I was in my local CJ store which is a mid sized convenience store.
A women was literally clearing the shelves of dry mama packets, the large family packs of around 10 per pack.

She had about 20 packs at the check-out desk, they let her buy them?

4 people like her would have cleared the entire shelf, just ridiculous.

Was she a Big Mama? 20 packs of 10s... That's a lot of Mamas

[OneeyedJohn]

4 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

I was in my local CJ store which is a mid sized convenience store.
A women was literally clearing the shelves of dry mama packets, the large family packs of around 10 per pack.

She had about 20 packs at the check-out desk, they let her buy them?

4 people like her would have cleared the entire shelf, just ridiculous.

I know what u are talking about, this enormous selfishness in village stores.

But, hey shouldn't the store be closed like the one in our village ?

 

The 7-11 and Tesco we have are open, but I don't know if they impose limits, I buy one milk, in and out in 30 seconds wearing a hat, mask and gloves.

[patsfangr]

3 hours ago, w94005m said:

As an epidemiologist, you clearly have no concept of proper clinical trials. Small samples with inconsistent results show no endorsement of what you are saying. Is it worth taking? If you don't have any health issues, yeah. There's nothing to lose, but don't have high expectations. You can be sure it's being used enormously in many countries, especially in the US after the President pushed it, but are you seeing a dramatic drop off in cases and deaths? Sadly, no ????

 

Even when they find a miracle drug, it'll be months before sufficient quantities can be produced. I'm just trying to isolate and buy time.

The information was only recently "pushed" by President Trump; literally just a few days ago. The medicine has to be prescribed by a doctor. That alone would take some number of days to happen. Then there is the issue of availability. The drug is not immediately available in huge quantities.

 

Those factors all explain why, even IF the drug were 100% effective, we would not yet see a "dramatic drop off in cases and deaths." You, as an epidemiologist, should know all of that.

 

So let's wait and see what happens over the next 3-4 weeks, as production and usage increase, before we dismiss the whole idea. OK?

[hotchilli]

6 minutes ago, OneeyedJohn said:

But, hey shouldn't the store be closed like the one in our village

Day time the store can open as normal.

[patsfangr]

3 hours ago, Abmong said:

That's what Trump is peddling and his own advisor Dr Fauci is not supporting... I'm more inclined to believe the good Doctor over Trump.

No one, not France, not China are saying it works, quite the opposite, even Thailand's own medical study found it has no effect other than as a placebo. You're better off drinking hot lime juice with no sugar... Cheaper too.

 

Besides faith in Trump? We don't do that here.

Looks like you're a dedicated watcher of CNN! Dr. Fauci has NOT said that President Trump's "What do we have to lose" approach is wrong. I have watched every single Task Force press conference since they began; and I can tell you that, on more than one occasion, Dr. Fauci has supported President Trump's position. He has said that there has been a lot of anecdotal evidence of success with hydroxychoroquine. He has followed that by emphasizing that it has not been specifically confirmed as a cure for COVID-19. That, in context, is what has been said by both President Trump, and Dr. Fauci. The "fake news" media is constantly trying to create a "war" between President Trump and Dr. Fauci because it fits into their unconditional anti-Trump agenda. THAT IS A FACT! 

Edited April 6, 2020 by patsfangr
corrected spelling error

[patsfangr]

3 hours ago, Arkady said:

 

There seems no clear evidence that Hydroxychloroquine or Chloroquine is an effective therapy and it can have nasty side effects.  The same is true of the existing anti-virals including HIV treatments that have been touted in Thailand. Azithromycin is just a broad spectrum antibiotic which is known to have some effect on some viruses.  Its side effects are much less than the other suggested treatments and it can also help prevent opportunistic bacterial infections, e.g. bacterial pneumonia, which is what killed most of the Spanish Flu victims, from adding to patients' woes.

Please provide some reliable documented evidence of the "nasty side effects" of hydroxychoroquine. I have not seen that stated anywhere other than in your post here. 

[OneeyedJohn]

7 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Day time the store can open as normal.

What I meant was that some caution in opening is wise.  If they can afford to close for a period of time, which I suspect they can, then why not close.

Why risk lives if you don't really need to, i.e. having staff come in etc etc.

They sell a lot of stuff that school children require which is no longer a demand.

[hotchilli]

7 minutes ago, OneeyedJohn said:

What I meant was that some caution in opening is wise.  If they can afford to close for a period of time, which I suspect they can, then why not close.

Why risk lives if you don't really need to, i.e. having staff come in etc etc.

They sell a lot of stuff that school children require which is no longer a demand.

The store sells 99% food products, so normal opening is 06:00 with the now 22:00 forced closure.

There are no restrictions of how many people are in the store at any time and as I witnessed no restrictions on amounts of food people can individually buy, making hoarding possible.

Hand gel and masks are available at the entrance, you must cleanse your hands and a mask is mandatory.

Otherwise it's business as normal.

All staff members wear protective masks and face shields.

One meter distances are required at the cash desks... which seems to be reinforced to almost every Thai customer as they bunch up as normal.

[riclag]

I have enough beer to last till the end of the alcohol ban, April 16 .Please, make it at least  till then ,it will ease the burden of coviding at home!

[mike324]

If there is a curfew, it will only be for the rest of non-essential businesses that are open such as offices and non food / medical related stores.

 

Factories may be able to operate if they are related to essential service such as food / medical related.

Gas stations may be able to open.

 

I think majority of the factory can still continue to open (again this is just my opinion). Once you close down the crowded areas that uses public transport, it will drastically reduce the cases. Factories will close as a last resort as its the last life line of Thailand, if factories close all the low income workers will be out of work - not to mention the hundreds of thousands of migrant workers.

 

So I think only offices will close for the next step of curfew.

[riclag]

10 hours ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

you don't have to believe any numbers, you just have to go to any

thai hospital and see if it looks like a corona outbreak hospital.

there is no way to hide or deny when the outbreak happans.

the hospitals are just full of people coughing and acctually dying everywhere.

people cough blood and fall dead in the streets, shops, offices.

this is happaning right now in new york.

this is what happaned in wuhan china (only when it allready happaned, 

the chinese governemt started to act).

and this is NOT happaning in thailand. 

maybe the weather? maybe the good spirits? maybe another lighter mutation

of the virus?

let's just hope and pray it will stay this way, and go away in may.

My friend lives near the air base  at Utapao ! According to him the sky is heavy with helicopter traffic, in and around that area !

Edited April 6, 2020 by riclag

[GAZZPA]

10 hours ago, pookondee said:

The figures reported may be accurate

as far as 100 (or so) new cases on the books per day

But how many did they infect before symptoms showed and they wound up in hospital?

 

That would be family, friends, people at markets, people lining up at the 7/11,

in the government offices...on and on.

 

Not to mention sharing somtum with the mob next door.

 

The numbers reported are just that-numbers reported, and remember these are only the ones forced to go to hospital.

 

It would be incredibly incredibly lucky if these 100 per day have managed to not infect another new round of carriers.

 

100 a day is just not possible. no virus grows at such a steady rate, it accelerates in its expansion. they are not testing enough and i think you should assume a much wider spread and protect yourself accordingly. good luck.

 

[3NUMBAS]

theres a bounce coming with no apparent symptoms showing

[Golden Triangle]

What the rebuttal by the government in BKK tells me is that the Government will not impose a 24hr lockdown, that has already been delegated to provincial governors, read between the lines and it basically says ' watch what the BMA do ' take your lead from them, that way Prayut is in the clear, very clever eh ????  

Edited April 6, 2020 by Golden Triangle

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[JackGats]

How many people die in thailand each year? I'd say about 900 000. Even Italy's coronavirus death toll is small compared to Italy's overall yearly mortality. The assertion that you couldn't hide the covid deaths if they were in the hundreds or thousands is wrong. You could hide them because they would be a mere bump on the mortality baseline. This also puts things into perpective as to how apocalyptic this virus is.

[dslocum]

My problem with the original article is that the Government seems to be giving no TRUE documented guidance to the governors.  I see this as a problem as its very open to individual interpretation and enforcement.

 

IMHO - The government MUST provide very STRICT cohesive guidance to the governors and public.  This MUST include frequent public service announcements on ALL forms of media, followed by NO TOLERANCE enforcement for both foreigners AND Thais.  This must be done immediately by some one "at the top" with BALLS - not something that will languish in committee for days or weeks. 

 

Communicate folks - PLEASE!

[KonaRain]

You don't want to be responsible for someone dying..

 

I saw a Hawai'ian Cowboy come out of the store w a Western bandana on his mug..

Stylish..My friend's Sister is making masks out of Silk in NY..People are leaving masks on trees in France..My Slovak ex said 'They'll pick You up (cops) for not wearing a Mask, $1,000 fine..In Hawaii, they arrested some guys for stopping on da beach, okay to Walk..Leave clothes in hot car to clean, or outside..Keep da viral load lower..I feel bad every time I come home from town.. don't drink or power da Sugar..(BBC story about Immune response..Time to enjoy that Kale smoothie..

Vitamins A & D³,along with selenium & Zinc, are ammunition for our Immune battle cells..

I lost a post from last night, so sorry for disjointed..I appreciate da Survivor(s) above..

Peace..Alohas

PS, the comment about 100-150 getting sick is a sign of, hygiene, masks, youth, and good immune System response!

https%3A%2F%2Famp.theguardian.com%2Fcommentisfree%2F2020%2Fapr%2F04%2Fwhy-wear-a-mask-may-be-our-best-weapon-to-stop-coronavirus&s=1&geid=NSTNR

12 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

I love these "sock it to me harder, boss" posts. May I suggest that instead of bleating fruitlessly on ThaiVisa, you all sign a petition to the Thai government pleading for a 24 hour curfew and Martial law.

 

Oh, and while you're about it, lobby for mandatory vaccination of the entire population when Bill and Melinda deliver the goods.

 

Jeez!

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by KonaRain
Bandana had a % instead of a 'b" I can't see what I typing!

[KonaRain]

Oh, I always thought I would put some oil, or tea tree, melaleuca, in a mask to make it better if not an N-95

Olive will make a cloth filter smaller particles, and protect others from....You

Someone said to make it out of a bra..

Alohoho

[KonaRain]

I googled expected Wine to be bad for immune system..

Turns out it's good!

Beer is like eating carbs I guess..

re: above..Our stores in Rural Hawaii are open 6 to 9 or 10pm..glad to hear it's the same there

As long as wearing masks, we can bunch up a little? No thanks,

We have Asian store managers standing watch over everyone..

Here's some good news

#1 trending on YouTube

Beautiful people sharing all that medical equipment..Aloooha

 

 

[KonaRain]

As my post was loading, I saw something about testing..of course, finding out who da carriers are will flatten the curve.. quarrantine is a beautiful thing..learn to be with Yourself..and No One else..

 

Mahalo

 

[KenKadz]

Plans? - Action Plans? - Prepared? - Ready?

Thai people will loose their minds, especially in the villages.

As a Thai person told me years ago, "I have to cheat you a little bit".