Labour Government’s Bold Claim to “honesty with voters” Has Unraveled Quickly

[Krataiboy]

21 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Not easy to implicate Gates and Soros in this. Nonsense, but good effort. A pity the other far right boogeymen Clinton and Obama are missing.

Which is it? You have problems reading, or just joining dots?

Edited April 9, 2020 by Krataiboy

[Kinnock]

1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Why don't we have a a real person heading the US rather than a dodgy con artist and bankruptcy king?

But two wrongs still don't make it right.

 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

We know that but WHO seems reluctant to say anything positive about Taiwan in apparent deference to China.

That’s the fact of the matter. WHO is not a political organization and they have to tread carefully in this rather awkward political situation. Taiwan’s government is from the DDP who is fiercely pro independence and will find every opportunity to make their political stance and in this instance will try to poison cross-straits ties in the international arena. I have relatives and friends in Taiwan who are pro independence and I stand with them. However until the issue of cross strait relationship is sorted out, there will always be tension. 

[riclag]

Must have a bill presented to congress with a policy change!

Lets see who wants to support  giving that  negligent organization support!

Can kill two birds with one stone the WHO and the congress people that Americans won't forget come 

voting day

[Bluespunk]

Can imagine how this came about in the white House 

 

trump: we need to blame someone for my mishandling of this whole covid-19 situation. 
 

aide: Who?

 

trump: yeah, they’ll do. 

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Can imagine how this came about in the white House 

 

trump: we need to blame someone for my mishandling of this whole covid-19 situation. 
 

aide: Who?

 

trump: yeah, they’ll do. 

Like it, but Trump would never say 'my mishandling'. More like

 

'we did everything right, exceptionally right, we did an excellent job'. 

 

'so who got us in this mess?'

 

'yes, they'll do.'

Edited April 9, 2020 by stevenl

[Mama Noodle]

13 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Can imagine how this came about in the white House 

 

trump: we need to blame someone for my mishandling of this whole covid-19 situation. 
 

aide: Who?

 

trump: yeah, they’ll do. 

 

Yeah, because every other nation on the planet is suffering from the same problem spawned by the Chinese Government, WHO, UN, and every other informative Chinese bootlicker out there. 

 

But yeah, Trump. No matter what happens, Trump. 

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Yeah, because every other nation on the planet is suffering from the same problem spawned by the Chinese Government, WHO, UN, and every other informative Chinese bootlicker out there. 

 

But yeah, Trump. No matter what happens, Trump. 

I never blamed trump for covid-19

 

I leave that sort of nonsense to those deluded enough to believe conspiracy theories.  

Edited April 9, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Mama Noodle]

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I never blamed trump for covid-19

 

I leave that sort of nonsense to those deluded enough to believe conspiracy theories.  

 

But you did call trumps handling of COVID a "mishandling" thereby blaming Trump. 

 

If your logic holds, do you blame PM Conte? PM Sanchez? PM Jonson? 

 

Are all the heads of state world wide who are stacking bodies left right and center because of this virus "Mishandling" their response? 

[Isaan sailor]

Do the Trump haters on TV (and this includes the CCP and WHO cheerleaders) really see SloJoe Biden as a viable candidate?

[Bluespunk]

21 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

But you did call trumps handling of COVID a "mishandling" thereby blaming Trump. 

 

If your logic holds, do you blame PM Conte? PM Sanchez? PM Jonson? 

 

Are all the heads of state world wide who are stacking bodies left right and center because of this virus "Mishandling" their response? 

Oh he was definitely responsible for the delayed reaction in the USA to covid-19.
 

Not a shadow of doubt about that. 

 

That’s why he is trying to blame WHO. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Bluespunk

[candide]

14 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

But you did call trumps handling of COVID a "mishandling" thereby blaming Trump. 

 

If your logic holds, do you blame PM Conte? PM Sanchez? PM Jonson? 

 

Are all the heads of state world wide who are stacking bodies left right and center because of this virus "Mishandling" their response? 

Conte, Sanchez and others did not downplay the epidemic, they did not blame MMS and so-called experts for creating panic, etc... Johnson is to blame for downplaying the epidemic and delay implementing social distanciation, and unfortunately pays himself the price for it.

The US was lucky to be affected later than European countries,  and did not use the extra available time to act. On the contrary, he went on downplaying the crisis and talking B.S. until the last moment.

[Phoenix Rising]

50 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Do the Trump haters on TV (and this includes the CCP and WHO cheerleaders) really see SloJoe Biden as a viable candidate?

Certainly. Kermit the Frog would be a more viable candidate than Trump. Heck, a half-dead donkey with syphilis would be preferable.

Did that answer your question? 

 

PS. What on earth do you have against the Community College of Philadelphia??

Edited April 9, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[Crazy Alex]

12 hours ago, tearsinrain said:

It is so amazing to see people think China is the only one goverment to do this cover up.

By saying amazing, I mean "politically naive".

US has already become the hub of this crisis, and you are still focus on highly biased BBC? 

My uncle just passed away in NY due to the delayed test kit. And there are tons of tragedies like this, will you notice this information? Or you just choose to selectively overlook these news and live in the delusion that certain country should take all the blame? 

I'm sorry about your uncle. But to say he died because of delayed test kits is a bit simplistic. There are many reasons why New York has about HALF of the total infections and deaths of the entire US. Delayed test kits? No. More like delayed action by New York political hacks.

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, candide said:

Conte, Sanchez and others did not downplay the epidemic, they did not blame MMS and so-called experts for creating panic, etc... Johnson is to blame for downplaying the epidemic and delay implementing social distanciation, and unfortunately pays himself the price for it.

The US was lucky to be affected later than European countries,  and did not use the extra available time to act. On the contrary, he went on downplaying the crisis and talking B.S. until the last moment.

The US was "lucky"? No. That's nonsense and you know it.

[Crazy Alex]

11 hours ago, bendejo said:

All for the sake of entertainment, the fans love seeing him bash a black person.

A black woman even better!

 

 

Why is skin color an issue? Stupidity comes in all skin colors.

[Crazy Alex]

8 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

Heard an interesting Canadian medico (sorry don't know the name or position held) being interviewed this morning (Thai time) on Al Jazeerah about this stoush.

She said that she wondered if Trumps folks are trying to make political advantage by deflecting and shifting blame away from their own actions i.e. That Trumps regime dismantled the Obama initiative funded and set up for a response group to watch for, set up, recommend to govt, and initiate responses regarding epidemics across the globe and their impact on the US. The group included FEMA, Homeland Security, Immigration, CDC, and other powerful watchdogs and thus was not ready to react as effectively as could have. 

Interesting they brought up the Obama pandemic response team. I'd like to see the success record of this pandemic response team. I know there is an element of people who simply think because there was a pandemic response team, it would have done some good. I reject that assertion. And I'll bet the list of successes of the Obama pandemic response team looks something like this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, that's about it.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

The US was "lucky"? No. That's nonsense and you know it.

Why? 

I anticipate your answer: the coronavirus epicenter in Europe, Italy, implemented a China travel ban before the US. Moreover, this ban was a full ban while Trump only implemented some restrictions. So China travel bans do not explain why the spread started later in the US. 

[Myran]

WHO has zero credibility. They sold out countless lives for whatever agenda they're trying to push with China.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Interesting they brought up the Obama pandemic response team. I'd like to see the success record of this pandemic response team. I know there is an element of people who simply think because there was a pandemic response team, it would have done some good. I reject that assertion. And I'll bet the list of successes of the Obama pandemic response team looks something like this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, that's about it.

Lol. It was created in 2016. There had been no pandemic in the US between 2016 and 2018.

[RoadWarrior371]

Go back to your day job Tedros.  Still lots of cargo to Hi-jack in the Arabian Sea.  Bring your own body bag. ????

[Crazy Alex]

5 hours ago, candide said:

Why? 

I anticipate your answer: the coronavirus epicenter in Europe, Italy, implemented a China travel ban before the US. Moreover, this ban was a full ban while Trump only implemented some restrictions. So China travel bans do not explain why the spread started later in the US. 

Nonsense. The US instituted a travel ban the same day as Italy. Luck? No. Viruses don't spread based on luck. They spread based on scientific factors. However, I can see why you'd want to go with luck.

 

Trump sure was lucky the virus didn't spread worse!

Cuomo sure was unlucky the virus spread so much!

 

Pure poppycock.

[Crazy Alex]

5 hours ago, candide said:

Lol. It was created in 2016. There had been no pandemic in the US between 2016 and 2018.

So they had no accomplishments. Just as I figured.

[candide]

50 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Nonsense. The US instituted a travel ban the same day as Italy. Luck? No. Viruses don't spread based on luck. They spread based on scientific factors. However, I can see why you'd want to go with luck.

 

Trump sure was lucky the virus didn't spread worse!

Cuomo sure was unlucky the virus spread so much!

 

Pure poppycock.

The travel ban was implemented a bit earlier than the US but you are right +/- 2days didn't really matter. So both countries have implemented a  China travel ban (full ban for Italy only) more or less at the same time. One of these two countries got infected earlier than the other one. What is this mysterious reason I should know that you evoked in your post, as it cannot be a difference in China travel bans?

[JeffyInBkk]

All I can say is that WHO is the only source of fake news and misinformation from day one literally on everything. Please help share this:  https://www.change.org/p/united-nations-call-for-the-resignation-of-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-who-director-general 

[FarFlungFalang]

22 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

W.H.O did not advise trump that "its just the flu", "numbers will soon be zero", "It will disappear like magic etc etc. 

Oh but they did didn't they?They said not to panic and no need to restrict travel and no need to close borders no need to suffer economically it's possible to contain the virus and similar nonsense did they not?

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, candide said:

The travel ban was implemented a bit earlier than the US but you are right +/- 2days didn't really matter. So both countries have implemented a  China travel ban (full ban for Italy only) more or less at the same time. One of these two countries got infected earlier than the other one. What is this mysterious reason I should know that you evoked in your post, as it cannot be a difference in China travel bans?

Obviously both countries took additional steps (or failed to) that resulted in their respective infection and death rates. No luck involved. It's not dissimilar from the US. Some states (almost all blue) have been ravaged by the virus. Some have not. Obviously, in some instances, states with very low populations have very low infections rates. Even that is not luck. It is science. You like science, yes?

[simple1]

10 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Interesting they brought up the Obama pandemic response team. I'd like to see the success record of this pandemic response team. I know there is an element of people who simply think because there was a pandemic response team, it would have done some good. I reject that assertion. And I'll bet the list of successes of the Obama pandemic response team looks something like this:

 

Yep, that's about it.

Incorrect. Very easy to find info, only took a minute or so, why don't you before posting?

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/13/trump-said-obama-team-botched-h-1-n-1-swine-flu-response-but-true/5045910002/

 

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/11/fact-sheet-progress-our-ebola-response-home-and-abroad

Edited April 10, 2020 by simple1

[i84teen]

On 4/9/2020 at 12:36 AM, Phuketshrew said:

A young English expat teacher living and working in Wuhan was interviewed on BBC World last night. He suffered Covid-19 in November last year and stayed in Wuhan for the duration. The despicable Chinese authorities covered up this pandemic outbreak for months and even gagged early whistle blowers. One of them, a doctor, paid for this with his life. Are we really to believe that the WHO knew nothing about this? Of course they were complicit. The Chinese and these morons should be tried for genocide in the international courts once this is all over.

cannot try them in international court, both Cn and USA DO NOT recognize this court unfortunately.

[candide]

5 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Obviously both countries took additional steps (or failed to) that resulted in their respective infection and death rates. No luck involved. It's not dissimilar from the US. Some states (almost all blue) have been ravaged by the virus. Some have not. Obviously, in some instances, states with very low populations have very low infections rates. Even that is not luck. It is science. You like science, yes?

Which additional steps did the US take? None. So it was luck. Luck does not mean it cannot be explained. Luck that less infected people came from China by plane, luck that these people found themselves in a more isolated context, etc.. 

The US did not experience an outburst later because of something distinctive it did, so it was luck.

Coming back to the original statement: the US was lucky to experience an epidemic later than other European countries, but Trump did not use this extra time to prepare its country.  Instead he went on downplaying it and talking B.S. until late.