China is the Winner - That is a Real Reason to Worry

[ChouDoufu]

27 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

it'll get worse when proof is found that the virus was man-made and deliberately spread

 

so you've already decided?  just a hunch?  a gut feeling?  that's a problem i see often, where folks make their decision, and then look for supporting evidence, reliable or not, that confirms our existing beliefs.

 

for us mere mortals, that means always getting our 'news' from the same bookmarked websites.  we get only one side of the argument, and can safely ignore irrelevant, contradictory information.  it's comfortable.  whatever doesn't agree can be written off as "fake news."

 

unfortunately, our government overlords (in the usa) within the beltway suffer from the same disability.  they get their information from those experiencing the same groupthink, with access to their offices given to "experts" from like-minded thinktanks.  some of those in power make their decisions based on idealogy or size of donations.  they then "fix the evidence" around the narrative.

 

that's how you get a vice president who visits spy central, and instead of asking the intel analysts for the best estimate, he gives them the conclusion and tasking to "find" the evidence.  that's how you get a general powell speech riddled with planted disinformation.  reliance on questionable sources leads us into actually believing we're embarking on a cakewalk, or that we'll be greeted as liberators.

[cyril sneer]

2 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

so you've already decided?  just a hunch?  a gut feeling?  that's a problem i see often,

both

[4MyEgo]

46 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

it'll get worse when proof is found that the virus was man-made and deliberately spread

Far worse when they find out that it was the yanks who got caught out, there is now talk that it was taken from a bio lab in the states into Wuhan, believe it or not. My take is Trump got frustrated with the Chinese stalling on the trade war talks/negotiations, and said once we get to phase one, lets then stick it to them from behind just to make them hurt even more, but what they didn't realise was China, said, ok then, right back and you and your allies, F....the lot of you, look at us now !

 

My old man was a boxer and his saying to me was: When someone hits you, take it and wait for your opportunity to hit him back, twice as hard, but make it a clean hit, that is all it takes, one clean hit, China has landed that one clean hit, albeit China was bruised and battered, it landed a knockout on Trump.

 

Do I like any part of this, not my fight, just passing by, hopefully without getting hit myself. 

 

[Bassosa]

30 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

So, @Pilotman, what´s the problem with China getting an advantage in the economic sector? Is that an advantage that you consider being reserved only for US and UK?

Or maybe you just have something against China and the Chinese people? If that is the case, then this would be considered a racist thread, and should be dealt with as one.

Because that advantage in the economic sector will be used to become the new global super power.

Personally I'd rather the US be that global super power. For all their faults they're not quite as scary as China and the CCP.

[Matzzon]

4 minutes ago, noone223 said:

no. thats not "personal" . Sihanoukville has turned by everyone's opinion to a dumpster.

It wasn't taken from me, it was taken from Cambodians. Tibet wasn't taken from me, but from Tibetans.

Pattaya is not owned by the Americans, Germans, nor Brits, and even if it was actually owned by americans or brits (which everyone knows IT ISN'T)

It still is beautiful next to Sihanoukville.

Yes, its fear of tiananmen square, of tibet, of sihanoukville, of africa, of fiji happening all over again.

Of course its fear, so what? You're acting as if fear is an absolute negative,  when in reality fear is what stops holocausts and dictatorships.

 

Fear has never changed anything. Action of determined people with focus and concentration have. That is the opposite of fear.

As I say, over half of the worlds population has no problem with the places mentioned. The only thing that is scaring you is to lose the power grip your country owns on the rest of the world.

[Bassosa]

3 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Far worse when they find out that it was the yanks who got caught out, there is now talk that it was taken from a bio lab in the states into Wuhan, believe it or not. My take is Trump got frustrated with the Chinese stalling on the trade war talks/negotiations, and said once we get to phase one, lets then stick it to them from behind just to make them hurt even more, but what they didn't realise was China, said, ok then, right back and you and your allies, F....the lot of you, look at us now !

 

My old man was a boxer and his saying to me was: When someone hits you, take it and wait for your opportunity to hit him back, twice as hard, but make it a clean hit, that is all it takes, one clean hit, China has landed that one clean hit, albeit China was bruised and battered, it landed a knockout on Trump.

 

Do I like any part of this, not my fight, just passing by, hopefully without getting hit myself. 

 

There's always one sucker falling for the Chinese propaganda machine. 

[noone223]

2 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

9 minutes ago, noone223 said:

 

Fear has never changed anything. Action of determined people with focus and concentration have. That is the opposite of fear.

Can I print this intelligent quote on a poster? I'd like to hang on the wall in my toilet, right on top of my bum gun. (don't worry, i'll credit you for it)

Edited April 9, 2020 by noone223

[Bassosa]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

Fear has never changed anything. Action of determined people with focus and concentration have. That is the opposite of fear.

As I say, over half of the worlds population has no problem with the places mentioned. The only thing that is scaring you is to lose the power grip your country owns on the rest of the world.

What about the aggressive expansion in the South China See. The annexation of atolls and rocky outcrops near the beaches of other countries? Their aggression towards Taiwan and Hong Kong. The "internment camps" and the forced organ harvesting? Stamping out of religion. Should I continue?

I can't believe you're defending China....the CCP is dangerous, wake up please.

[noone223]

Just now, Bassosa said:

China....the CCP is dangerous, wake up please.

As if its not pure fear that forces 1.3million chinese to rely on VPN's.

No, it's "action of determined people" . Geez, you could say that about Hitler too. "He wasn't afraid of jews, he was a determined person"

[ChouDoufu]

2 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

There's always one sucker falling for the Chinese propaganda machine. 

as we've seen, we've all got propaganda machines.

 

the chinese (like the soviets before them) previously relied on clunky, cartoonesque, very obvious propaganda, whereas our version was slick, well-oiled, madison avenue consumer-driven.  they're learning, though, and copying our style.

[Matzzon]

6 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

What about the aggressive expansion in the South China See. The annexation of atolls and rocky outcrops near the beaches of other countries? Their aggression towards Taiwan and Hong Kong. The "internment camps" and the forced organ harvesting? Stamping out of religion. Should I continue?

I can't believe you're defending China....the CCP is dangerous, wake up please.

No, it´s you that should wake up! The reason why you are trying to pose them as dangerous, is that countries you are more positive to will lose the power they gain. You just do not like China, so you are painting them as dangerous out of fear of the losses that will occur in the countries you support.

 

They are not more dangerous than any other country with power. Just look at USA, that just can make a drone strike in Iran, kill a general and get away with it.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Matzzon

[Matzzon]

8 minutes ago, noone223 said:

Can I print this intelligent quote on a poster? I'd like to hang on the wall in my toilet, right on top of my bum gun. (don't worry, i'll credit you for it)

Sure! ???? Does that mean that you are scared of your own <deleted> and need mentoring before you take action with your gun?

[noone223]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

No, it´s you that should wake up!

look genius.

If it is him that should wake up.

Why is China blocking Facebook & Youtube -> while the west isn't blocking WeChat or Baidu?

 

 

You're clearly the one who needs the wake up, but I'm afraid you'll still be stupid even after you do.

[Bassosa]

2 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

as we've seen, we've all got propaganda machines.

 

the chinese (like the soviets before them) previously relied on clunky, cartoonesque, very obvious propaganda, whereas our version was slick, well-oiled, madison avenue consumer-driven.  they're learning, though, and copying our style.

Yes, but "we" also have free press and journalists pursuing the truth. 

China hasn't. Big difference. 

[Matzzon]

14 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

Because that advantage in the economic sector will be used to become the new global super power.

Personally I'd rather the US be that global super power. For all their faults they're not quite as scary as China and the CCP.

There it came. The fear of the changes and creations of new super powers. The reason why you prefer US as the worlds leader, is that you are raised with western ideologies. Still over half the population of the world stands against you.

[noone223]

Just now, Bassosa said:

Yes, but "we" also have free press and journalists pursuing the truth. 

China hasn't. Big difference

You're right, and most of us here are on the same page , unfortunately we do have ignorant people in the west too.

[Bassosa]

4 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

No, it´s you that should wake up! The reason why you are trying to pose them as dangerous, is that countries you are more positive to will lose the power they gain. You just do not like China, so you are painting them as dangerous out of fear of the losses that will occur in the countries you support.

 

They are not more dangerous than any other country with power. Just look at USA, that just can make a drone strike in Iran, kill a general and get away with it.

"Not more dangerous than any other country with power". 

I don't think you can compare China to the USA. One is a democracy with free press and the other is...well, China.

[noone223]

7 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

The fear of the changes and creations of new super powers.

look. its not the fear of changes. it's the fear of censorship. (you clearly choose to ignore this harsh fact! you can't justify it, so you pretend its not there)

We do have free press, we can use Baidu and Wechat, China tries to block Youtube and Facebook (while its citizens clearly don't want to and use VPN's to get around it) .

Can you respond to that?  Of course not.

You're in Thailand, where free press is also non-existent (guess which direction that came from? east or west?) .

You're just gonna keep rambling that mumbo jumbo about "Being brainwashed by the west" .

It's ok though, not everyone is tall, rich, or intelligent on this planet.

We all know which side you're on when it comes to wits.

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by noone223

[Bassosa]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

There it came. The fear of the changes and creations of new super powers. The reason why you prefer US as the worlds leader, is that you are raised with western ideologies. Still over half the population of the world stands against you.

No I prefer the US as the super power because it's the least worst option. 

 

China as the global super power is probably the worst option. I don't think a communist totalitarian regime should rule the world, especially seeing what China does to it's own people.

[Matzzon]

5 minutes ago, noone223 said:

look genius.

If it is him that should wake up.

Why is China blocking Facebook & Youtube -> while the west isn't blocking WeChat or Baidu?

 

 

You're clearly the one who needs the wake up, but I'm afraid you'll still be stupid even after you do.

Why they are blocking Facebook and Youtube? You do not realize that? Because they do not wish that more than half of their citizens turned into walking zombies in a vegetable state of mind. Unfortunately they have WeChat and Baidu, and that is more than enough. They also managed to promote that to the western world, which means a higher percentage of vegetable state. See they have been doing everything right to minimize the damage for their own citizens. Another pin in the hat, that gives them a greater chance to step up and before the rest of the world.

[Bassosa]

Just now, Matzzon said:

Why they are blocking Facebook and Youtube? You do not realize that? Because they do not wish that more than half of their citizens turned into walking zombies in a vegetable state of mind. Unfortunately they have WeChat and Baidu, and that is more than enough. They also managed to promote that to the western world, which means a higher percentage of vegetable state. See they have been doing everything right to minimize the damage for their own citizens. Another pin in the hat, that gives them a greater chance to step up and before the rest of the world.

Seriously, that's the reason? 555

[Relocated]

1 minute ago, Bassosa said:

No I prefer the US as the super power because it's the least worst option. 

 

China as the global super power is probably the worst option. I don't think a communist totalitarian regime should rule the world, especially seeing what China does to it's own people.

I am exchanging mails with Chinese PhD lady now. While American ivory tower teaches its own students how America is evil, this lady is telling me the superiority of the east over the west. Propaganda works like N Korea.

[noone223]

3 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

zombies in a vegetable state of mind.

couldn't have described you or your sense of logic better than that, thank you for admitting to this.

but don't be too harsh on yourself, there's hope for you too. maybe you should go to China or North Korea to find it.

Edited April 9, 2020 by noone223

[Matzzon]

7 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

No I prefer the US as the super power because it's the least worst option. 

 

China as the global super power is probably the worst option. I don't think a communist totalitarian regime should rule the world, especially seeing what China does to it's own people.

No, but an instable guy like Mr Trump is okay holding the rows in the boat?

[Traubert]

9 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

No I prefer the US as the super power because it's the least worst option. 

 

China as the global super power is probably the worst option. I don't think a communist totalitarian regime should rule the world, especially seeing what China does to it's own people.

This is why I like TVF. You meet the strangest people. ????

[Mavideol]

China is and has been a winner for quite sometime, China has been taking advantage/hiding behind WTO rule 155, if they played by the same rules as other countries, their economy would not be as it is

 

Myth busted: China’s status as a developing country gives it few benefits in the World Trade Organisation

https://theconversation.com/myth-busted-chinas-status-as-a-developing-country-gives-it-few-benefits-in-the-world-trade-organisation-124602

 

In the WTO, developing countries are entitled to “special and differential treatment” set out in 155

rules.

 

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-WTO-right-to-consider-China-to-be-a-developing-country

Is the WTO right to consider China to be a developing country?

12 Answers

Joseph Boyle

Answered Sep 26 2019 · Author has 32.7k answers and 24m answer views

 

 

China is the biggest industrial and exporting country. It is now much more developed than the US in some measures, and these areas will continue to increase. China is hardly disadvantaged in trade; it has the biggest advantage.

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Mavideol

[Matzzon]

11 minutes ago, noone223 said:

look. its not the fear of changes. it's the fear of censorship. (you clearly choose to ignore this harsh fact! you can't justify it, so you pretend its not there)

We do have free press, we can use Baidu and Wechat, China tries to block Youtube and Facebook (while its citizens clearly don't want to and use VPN's to get around it) .

Can you respond to that?  Of course not.

You're in Thailand, where free press is also non-existent (guess which direction that came from? east or west?) .

You're just gonna keep rambling that mumbo jumbo about "Being brainwashed by the west" .

It's ok though, not everyone is tall, rich, or intelligent on this planet.

We all know which side you're on when it comes to wits.

 

Nah, I am both tall, intelligent and very rich but that´s beside the point. So, you are saying that we have free press. Ok, but how much of it can you really believe? What is fake and what is lies? Is that what you call free press?

Edited April 9, 2020 by Matzzon

[Matzzon]

15 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

"Not more dangerous than any other country with power". 

I don't think you can compare China to the USA. One is a democracy with free press and the other is...well, China.

Democracy with free press? Oh, you mean a powerless government with fake news?

[ChouDoufu]

12 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

Yes, but "we" also have free press and journalists pursuing the truth. 

China hasn't. Big difference. 

not as much as we'd like to think.  the interwebs gives us more information and more websites, but we have to try and filter out the disinformation.  fewer and fewer are relying on the big news agencies, unfortunately a lot of time the vetting of the sites relies on that gut feeling.

 

and the big guys aren't always performing old-style journalism.  nowadays they seem to act more like stenographers, blindly repeating anything from "anonymous, unnamed officials," and wind up being just another propaganda conduit.  otherwise they lose access and are cut off from those juicy, anonymous scoops.

[CGW]

6 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Why they are blocking Facebook and Youtube?

Why does the West block access to FB etc, Singapore a prime example, they now deem what is fake news! yet people don't see it, they are using the "China model"

 

It's natural to break the power base down to "countries" the reality is "Globalists" rule, those that finance both sides of wars, they don't care about "countries"

 

Part of the ongoing "agenda" is without a doubt the Bill Gates led ID2020 (https://id2020.org/alliance) campaign, he is their man, as he is one of them & they want to further establish there power base as there are too many restless people in the world!