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Assange fathered two children while holed up in embassy, lawyer says

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Kerryd Diamond Member

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9 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

According to whom? Which of the parents has British citizenship? as Far as I'm aware he's Australian, she's South African. 


Just did a quick check and here is what (Wiki) says about it:
"In an effort to discourage birth tourism, Australia, France, Pakistan, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United Kingdom have modified their citizenship laws at different times, mostly by granting citizenship by birth only if at least one parent is a citizen of the country or a legal permanent resident who has lived in the country for several years."

So if the South African lawyer was a permanent resident (and it seems she's been in the UK for "several years") then she qualifies and her kids get citizenship.

As a lawyer, you can bet she knows exactly what the rules are about that.

I don't see anything where it says she is a "permanent resident" of the UK but that is something she'd have to release herself and if she doesn't it'd be hard to tell otherwise.
Again, not sure how the UK handles things like lawyers.
I would guess (purely guess) that in order to practise law in the UK and represent clients in court, one would have to be "called to the bar" (after being tested and certified) and probably at least a "permanent resident" (or on some kind of professional visa).

For example (in Canada again), if a doctor, trained and certified in India or South Africa or Grenada (remember that ?) came to Canada and wanted to practise medicine, they couldn't just rent an office and start doing surgery (or even counsel patients). 
They would have to be tested and certified to Canadian standards and that probably wouldn't happen unless they had at least permanent resident status.

(It crops up in the news in Canada now and then about foreign doctors, usually from India, complaining that they aren't allowed to come here and start practising. I remember one guy even saying that "he'd only look at Indian patients" !!) 


Also, it seems that it was reported "by the Mail" that the kids were (are) British. Which "Mail" I have no idea (I think there's more than one "Mail" in the UK ?)

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Boomer6969
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Good to see this great man could have some sort of a life while being unjustly forced into reclusion. We definitely need more like him.

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Dikileaks.

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Yes Assange was certainly holed up in the embassy.

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2 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

Good to see this great man could have some sort of a life while being unjustly forced into reclusion. We definitely need more like him.

Nobody unjustly forced Assange into seclusion, he skipped bail like the sniveling little coward he is.

it was more about the metaphor (not the ' met her for' )

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That's good news, perhaps now Julian Assange has more chances to be treated fairly, and eventually pardoned.

I think he has paid already a huge price for his mistakes.

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47 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

That's good news, perhaps now Julian Assange has more chances to be treated fairly, and eventually pardoned.

I think he has paid already a huge price for his mistakes.

All of his own choosing.

 

Assange chose to avoid justice, the consequences he brought on himself by doing so is not an argument that he should not face the justice he was running away from.

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3 hours ago, Kerryd said:


Yeah, not too many anymore. A lot of them wised up and changed their laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_tourism

 

Strange thing happened in Brazil some years back: a Mexican pop singer was locked up, turned out she was pregnant.  By law, when she gave birth it was not just that the child was a Brazilian but the birth made the mother a Brazilian as well.  Never found out how her case worked out.

 

 

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14 hours ago, JoePai said:

No, they were Ecuadorian born children

No, they were Ecuadorian conceived children.

But since, as it states, he 'watched the births via video link', we might assume they were UK born children?

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All of his own choosing.

 

Assange chose to avoid justice, the consequences he brought on himself by doing so is not an argument that he should not face the justice he was running away from.

Assange didn'd choose to avoid "justice", he tried to avoid being extradited to a country that covers it's war crimes and war criminals and prefers to hang the messenger.

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36 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Assange didn'd choose to avoid "justice", he tried to avoid being extradited to a country that covers it's war crimes and war criminals and prefers to hang the messenger.

He ran and hid in the Ecuadorian Embassy to avoid extradition to Sweden, there was at the time no extradition request from the US.

 

But don’t let facts get in the way.

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3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He ran and hid in the Ecuadorian Embassy to avoid extradition to Sweden, there was at the time no extradition request from the US.

 

But don’t let facts get in the way.

There had been a grand jury hearing to approve extradition and subsequent charges of treason

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Oh please, 

 

Not even the Rosenbergs were accused or tried for treason and they were Americans, Assange is not an American citizen, he is Australian.

 

He cannot and has not been accused of Treason, he faces no charges for treason, no Grand Jury has heard or approved charges of treason against Assange.

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5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not even the Rosenbergs were accused or tried for treason and they were Americans, Assange is not an American citizen, he is Australian.

 

He cannot and has not been accused of Treason, he faces no charges for treason, no Grand Jury has heard or approved charges of treason against Assange.

So I guess that Robinson et al who went to ICC were acting on false information

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3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He ran and hid in the Ecuadorian Embassy to avoid extradition to Sweden, there was at the time no extradition request from the US.

 

But don’t let facts get in the way.

And the Swedish charges were for some odd-sounding semi rape/ lack of consent charge. I think that the plan was if he got back to Sweden the Americans were going to try and extradite him from there.

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12 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

And the Swedish charges were for some odd-sounding semi rape/ lack of consent charge. I think that the plan was if he got back to Sweden the Americans were going to try and extradite him from there.

Yeah, that was the problem, and he was right to be scared of that.

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15 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

And the Swedish charges were for some odd-sounding semi rape/ lack of consent charge

He was accused of removing the condom during sex,(without consent) which in Sweden can mean the person is charged with rape

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56 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

There had been a grand jury hearing to approve extradition and subsequent charges of treason

Treason is the act of betraying your own country. The US is not Assange's country.
trea·son
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the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
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It doesn't matter what the Swedish charges are, that's an independent issue. It doesn't matter if we like Julian Assange or not (I don't). What matters is that a journalist should not be charged for publishing news.
 

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If we allow Julian Assange (multi-awarded journalist) who is not a USA citizen and who was not in the USA when he published news to be extradited to the USA to face 175 years imprisonment and possible execution, then we no longer live in a democratic society. To allow Julian Assange to be extradited for his publishing in the public interest would place every woman, child and man in western society under USA extraterritorial authoritarian rule. History proves that this always leads to the next brutal dictatorship which will assassinate, execute or permanently silence any person that publishes evidence that exposes the “authorities” criminality.  

 
https://www.change.org/p/free-julian-assange-before-it-s-too-late-stop-usa-extradition

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On 4/13/2020 at 12:05 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

All of his own choosing.

 

Assange chose to avoid justice, the consequences he brought on himself by doing so is not an argument that he should not face the justice he was running away from.

No he didnt. He was never charged with anything. Still hasnt been charged. He was only wanted for questioning, something sweden was for some strange reason not able to do unless he was in sweden. I guess they never heard of skype.

 

In any event, he was under no obligation to answer anything.

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2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s not how extradition works, but nevertheless by all means send the bill anyway.

The oz govt should, like it has done in other cases, done everything it could to get him to oz.

 

He was being extradited for questioning only. Before he left sweden he asked for permission to leave and was given the ok. Sweden said it was over. Then whilst he was away a new prosecutor appointed and case reopened.

 

He is still not charged with anything and the girls concerned asked he not be charged.

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2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s not how extradition works, but nevertheless by all means send the bill anyway.

I will tell you how it works. You can only be extradited if the crime charged is also a crime where he is. Yet he has not been charged.

 

Australia should have made vigorous attempts and made all possible moves to have him sent to australia.

 

The oz govt should be ashamed.

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