Internal U.S. document foresees surge of coronavirus deaths, NY Times says

[frenetic]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

It has been tough for all especially the small businesses all round the world. The fact is that things will never be the same even after the infections and deaths declined significantly. A vaccine is the only solution but it is not a surety that the world can get one. SARS, Ebola still don’t have a vaccine. Big corporations have better chance of continuation but still uncertainty lingers especially for the airline, oil, big retails and travel industries. Small businesses will bear the biggest brunt of this drastic economic meltdown.  Some jobs will never come back and some businesses will close for good. US economy policies have not prepared the people with the basic necessities to survive financially and medically. Fault of previous governments and the FED. UBI may be the new normal. 

Ebola does have a vaccine.

[lannarebirth]

40 minutes ago, frenetic said:

Yet most people manage not to be as selfish as they are. 

True. I'm trying to take the charitable view, although I know they are populated with all kinds of right wing extremist nutjobs.

 

I'm very fortunate. I don't have to worry about rent, or bills or not receiving 1 month or 1 year or 4 years of income, but most people do. They have been conditioned to think that their only utility is as an economic unit in service to the economy. I tend to see everyone as having value solely based on their humanity.

 

In the richest country in the history of the World maybe we should be doing better for these people at this time and maybe that might lead to some shared values and acceptance of one another.

Edited May 5, 2020 by lannarebirth

[lannarebirth]

17 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

I'm willing to bet that the NYT has been wrong less times (way less) than a certain gentleman who's been occupying the WH for the last 3,5 years. And you do realize that the NYT didn't write this internal document, don't you? They are only reporting about its existence and content.

 

You're applying a pretty low standard. The NYT has been wrong plenty, but they can't be in this case as they are only serving as documentarians.

[JetsetBkk]

The failing New York Times does it again.

[stevenl]

26 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

The failing New York Times does it again.

They do what again, exposing internal documents?

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

The New York times has a history of being wrong!  Hopefully this will be one of those times..

 

Shoot the messenger. It's not the NYT's position. They are reporting about a report. 

[lannarebirth]

24 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

It has been tough for all especially the small businesses all round the world. The fact is that things will never be the same even after the infections and deaths declined significantly. A vaccine is the only solution but it is not a surety that the world can get one. SARS, Ebola still don’t have a vaccine. Big corporations have better chance of continuation but still uncertainty lingers especially for the airline, oil, big retails and travel industries. Small businesses will bear the biggest brunt of this drastic economic meltdown.  Some jobs will never come back and some businesses will close for good. US economy policies have not prepared the people with the basic necessities to survive financially and medically. Fault of previous governments and the FED. UBI may be the new normal. 

 

I own commercial buildings. Not office space, thank God. One of my tenats is a non profit 501 3c corp where all but one, or maybe two of their employees is a volunteer. They qualify for no govt. program despite the fact they have been designated an essential health care provider. I've offered them in excess of $20,000 of rent abatement. Not deferral but abatement. They've been incorporated for 53 years and they're not going anywhere. I offer them below market rents in the best of times and we'll get through this together. I'm not sure everyone else will be so fortunate. 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/bridge-post-pandemic-world-already-collapsing/611089/

[Eric Loh]

41 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I own commercial buildings. Not office space, thank God. One of my tenats is a non profit 501 3c corp where all but one, or maybe two of their employees is a volunteer. They qualify for no govt. program despite the fact they have been designated an essential health care provider. I've offered them in excess of $20,000 of rent abatement. Not deferral but abatement. They've been incorporated for 53 years and they're not going anywhere. I offer them below market rents in the best of times and we'll get through this together. I'm not sure everyone else will be so fortunate. 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/bridge-post-pandemic-world-already-collapsing/611089/

Good link and fabulous read. Lots to talk but off topic. Can only say that the US economic system has been flawed for a long while and the pandemic is the proverbial needle. 

[frenetic]

1 hour ago, JetsetBkk said:

The failing New York Times does it again.

There are 2 ways to read this. The first as sarcasm directed at Trump because despite his frequent assertions about the Times has become very profitable or, the second as sarcasm directed at the NY Times meaning it has once again committed a big error. Impossible from the text to know what his intent was.

[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, Curt1591 said:

These are the same people that keep pointing out that a person can be asymptomatic for over 2 weeks. Did they discover this by asking how long asymptomatic people were asymptomatic?

Seems like they're trying to create an invisible boogeyman! 

No it doesn’t.

[roquefort]

"The document, based on modelling by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention"

 

If it's as woefully wide of the mark as Neil Ferguson's notorious Imperial College model, there's nothing to worry about.

More MSM scaremongering, as if the proles aren't already worked up enough into a state of media-induced fear and hysteria.

[IAMHERE]

Why wouldn't we have a 2nd wave? 3rd and 4th wave. It won't be over until the fat lady (pre-existing condition) has sings. Who in their right mind is going to trust the vaccine they rush into production? Herd immunity is the only way to go now.

[stevenl]

40 minutes ago, roquefort said:

"The document, based on modelling by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention"

 

If it's as woefully wide of the mark as Neil Ferguson's notorious Imperial College model, there's nothing to worry about.

More MSM scaremongering, as if the proles aren't already worked up enough into a state of media-induced fear and hysteria.

So an internal government document is MSM scaremongering.

[samran]

11 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

I actually have some amount of sympathy or some of the people protesting in state capitols to open things back up. The government never should have prescribed the lockdown without simultaneously providing a monthly UBI for the citizenry. The $1,200 they sent was used by many people to pay the previous month's bills. There should have been a program in place, open ended, given the lack of concrete timelines to provide sustenance to the populace such that they could get through this crisis. I blame both the Presidency and both branches of Congress. They sent trillions to those who support their campaigns and next to nothing to those whom they are meant to serve.

Those same protesters would have screamed ‘socialism’ if some sort of UBI was offered. It’s a no win situation with those people. 

[lannarebirth]

6 minutes ago, samran said:

Those same protesters would have screamed ‘socialism’ if some sort of UBI was offered. It’s a no win situation with those people. 

 

Some might, but they'd still cash those checks that would circulate through their communities and eventually the wider economy. Congress has shown just how far out of touch they are with the common person. The House still hasn't reconvened and it's nearly their Summer vacation period.

[roquefort]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

So an internal government document is MSM scaremongering.

Any document produced by the government is doubly dubious. Unless of course you're inclined to believe everything Big Brother tells you (and there are many who do).

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, roquefort said:

Any document produced by the government is doubly dubious. Unless of course you're inclined to believe everything Big Brother tells you (and there are many who do).

Yes, maybe. But they're reporting on an internal government document, so criticism should be directed at the government, not the paper.

[metisdead]

An off topic post has been removed. 

[bendejo]

21 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

I actually have some amount of sympathy or some of the people protesting in state capitols to open things back up.

I do not.  I see them as people riled up by the pro-Trump right wing, which I see as an industry.  DT is just a new ingredient in something that's kicked into a higher gear since Cheney was running the gov't.  Look how wealthy the likes of Alex Jones, Glen Beck and Rush have become peddling this stuff, not to mention Fox's ratings.  The US Conservative movement is quite adept at convincing a certain section of the electorate to vote against their own self-interest.  Brilliant and evil.

If someone is a DT fan and they are wealthy, I mean at least 2-commas wealthy, the joke is on them.

 

 

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, bendejo said:

I do not.  I see them as people riled up by the pro-Trump right wing, which I see as an industry.  DT is just a new ingredient in something that's kicked into a higher gear since Cheney was running the gov't.  Look how wealthy the likes of Alex Jones, Glen Beck and Rush have become peddling this stuff, not to mention Fox's ratings.  The US Conservative movement is quite adept at convincing a certain section of the electorate to vote against their own self-interest.  Brilliant and evil.

If someone is a DT fan and they are wealthy, I mean at least 2-commas wealthy, the joke is on them.

 

 

 

I agree with you that many fall into the catagory you mentioned. Others are forced to be at home, which makes sense, but not if that order isn't accompanied by some sort of stipend that enables people to buy food and keep lights and water on. It's a failure of Congress.

[Rimmer]

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[Sujo]

NY times doing some great reporting. They also have found kushner, of covid committee fame has been trying to do dodgy deals with friends for masks and other ppe.

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, bendejo said:

If someone is a DT fan and they are wealthy, I mean at least 2-commas wealthy, the joke is on them.

Oops!  Correction to the above:

If someone is a DT fan and they are NOT wealthy, I mean at least 2-commas wealthy, the joke is on them.

 

 

[candide]

This graph provides quite an interesting perspective.

https://www.axios.com/us-coronavirus-italy-spain-reopening-cases-deaths-55ba1472-42a9-4806-bee0-ed50072f4326.html

 

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Edited May 7, 2020 by candide